The (New) Offensive Line Thread

[Warhead36]

Charles is a complete bum. Has been for 3+ years now. I'd give Paul a shot over him.

[wit33]

 

7 minutes ago, MrJL said:

Nah, Paul being inactive is due to the past two years of Center trauma. The way they set things up yesterday they had five guys who could play tackle, five who could play guard including Gates and three who could play center. Activate Paul over Stromberg or Larsen and it’s six, five and two

 

Position Flex on three! 

[Dark Acre]

5 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

What the hell is gong to happen when we play the Cowboys, Eagles, 49ers. 

They're going to get it on and bang it.  Hells Bells!

[DWinzit]

21 minutes ago, MrJL said:

Nah, Paul being inactive is due to the past two years of Center trauma. The way they set things up yesterday they had five guys who could play tackle, five who could play guard including Gates and three who could play center. Activate Paul over Stromberg or Larsen and it’s six, five and two

I honestly question who can play T at this point. If Wylie and Charles play truly looks that bad when they review the tapes, neither belongs on the field at their currently listed positions. That relegates Wylie to G and Charles to the glue factory. Move Paul to active. Hell, they may need Scott as well, it should be an all hands on deck to protect Howell next week. 

[NoVaSkins21]

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Charles is a complete bum. Has been for 3+ years now. I'd give Paul a shot over him.

The only reason why he's still here is because he was at EB opening introductory press conference.

[UK Skins]

After what just happened to Rodgers this line from NFL.com could have been about us (and Howell). And worryingly could still be.

 

"Worries did arise during training camp and the preseason over the state of the offensive line's ability to protect the 39-year-old, though.

Regardless of the victory, those concerns have already reared their ugly head, dooming the Jets' best-laid plans for a season with Rodgers leading them to new heights."

[Koolblue13]

The Jets losing Rodgers and having to go with a 1rst rounder with little experience, is exactly like us when Fitzpatrick went down and we went with........oh nevermind. 

[zCommander]

2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

The Jets losing Rodgers and having to go with a 1rst rounder with little experience, is exactly like us when Fitzpatrick went down and we went with........oh nevermind. 

 

Or the Jets could have looked at us for wisdom and said let's spend money on the OL first and then drop in a real QB from the draft. We gave them two chance to see that but they still did exactly like us expecting different result. Insanity.  

 

Ron apparently missed my post where I said to spend money on OL and then draft a QB. That was back in 2021. If only...

[Koolblue13]

Great, now instead of the Heini-Holers, we have the WhyLiers

[Chachie]

Are we being too hard on the o-line and the entire offense? Here's my semi-worthless take:

 

It's a brand new scheme, folks. These things take time. We all know that in preseason teams go "vanilla," so it's not like we were running the exact plays that EB has installed. The season opener was literally the first live trial with a new coach, a virtual rookie QB, and some new offensive line pieces. It's a complete reboot on that side of the ball. 

 

Week one is always a wacky week in the NFL. Good teams can look bad and bad teams can look good. Does anyone think the Steelers or Giants will spend the whole season looking like they did on Sunday? I sure don't. The Buffalo Bills and Cincinnatti Bengals looked pretty anemic this week.

 

The Daniel Snyder era has turned us all into kneejerk panic people and that might be justified but what we saw at FedEx on Sunday is something I expected. To assume that we'd run up the score on Arizona just because of the perception of who they are and the inflated perception of what our offense should be ALREADY was just naive. 

 

The offensive line will get better. They won't be "great" but they do need time to gel, as does the whole offense while adjusting to a very different plan than Scott Turner had.  It's week one, Commanders fans. We could very well lose to Denver in week 2 but we can't panic. Makes perfect sense that the offense didn't come out with a perfect grasp on everything, including and especially the o-line.

[RandyHolt]

You could see it in preseason and on Sunday. We can't run the ball.

 

Did we switch run schemes? It seems last year we ran a mix of power / zone but it seems more power now.

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by RandyHolt

[Chachie]

9 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

You could see it in preseason and on Sunday. We can't run the ball.

 

Did we switch run schemes? It seems last year we ran a mix of power / zone but it seems more power now.

 

 

 

My complaint is that we didn't run it enough. I also don't think we have a "break one off" type RB on the roster. Robinson is tough and Gibson is crafty, but neither one of them are going to juke or escape defenders and take it to the house... or even for 30 yards. That's not going to happen. When we run the ball, we're trying to control clock and wear down defenses. You have to run the ball 35+ times to do that. 

 

 

[RandyHolt]

3 hours ago, Chachie said:

 

 

My complaint is that we didn't run it enough. I also don't think we have a "break one off" type RB on the roster. Robinson is tough and Gibson is crafty, but neither one of them are going to juke or escape defenders and take it to the house... or even for 30 yards. That's not going to happen. When we run the ball, we're trying to control clock and wear down defenses. You have to run the ball 35+ times to do that. 

 

 

Maybe our OL is better at pass pro vs run?  Curious what you think the starting 5 OLs collective strength is... .besides position flexibility. this aint gymnastics.... I read Howell held the ball too long on some of the sacks but maybe Howell's mobility covers for pass pro OL deficiencies better than OL run deficiencies. So... pass first vs old school predictable run into a brick wall on 1st every drive.

 

OCs can pass first and still get the same # of carries for his backs. Games changing and while it was the Riggo drill at Fedex on Sunday, it really wasn't. it was the EB Howell show.

 

I think we didnt run it enough early but EB was clearly itching to throw to Logan and who can blame him! He was like a kid on christmas with TMC Jahan Samuel Logan Gibby Dyami and Howell as toys he was gifted. EB coming from Kelce City i knew Logan would be targeted. But those Logan drops / bogus pick penalty killed his game plan I am sure.  EB won his first game so he did some good things despite 2 turnovers from Howell.

Edited September 12, 2023 by RandyHolt

[kfrankie]

My general reaction:

 

 

Seriously though, why did the team make no effort whatsoever to address the offensive line during at the first two rounds of the draft?  Did they really need two more defensive backs?  And is Sidiqqui (sp) Charles still a football player?

Edited September 12, 2023 by kfrankie

[Califan007 The Constipated]

 

I'm not sure where this ranking came from, but...lol...

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

Didn't feel that way but running with those stats they use double teams with Wylie 66% of the time. Wow.  The sack he gave up wasn't a double team.   So not sure hoiw flattering it is to Wylie even if its true.  It shows he needs help almost always.

[Skinsinparadise]

I gather on the same note their metrics didn't have Cosmi have a good game since he didn't make their top 20. 

 

According to their metrics the pass blocking overall was good, the run blocking was bad.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38356170/2023-nfl-pass-rush-run-stop-blocking-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams

IOL Pass Block Win Rate Rankings

RANK	NAME	TEAM	WINS	PLAYS	PBWR	DOUBLE TEAM %
1	Ryan Kelly	IND	28	28	100%	81%
1	Corey Linsley	LAC	27	27	100%	82%
1	Joel Bitonio	CLE	25	25	100%	67%
1	Ben Powers	DEN	20	20	100%	74%
1	Matt Feiler	TB	19	19	100%	55%
1	Ethan Pocic	CLE	25	25	100%	85%
1	Josh Jones	HOU	23	23	100%	77%
1	Austin Schlottmann	MIN	24	24	100%	82%
1	Andre James	LV	17	17	100%	78%
1	Lloyd Cushenberry	DEN	20	20	100%	84%
1	Will Hernandez	ARI	18	18	100%	72%
1	Joe Thuney	KC	35	35	100%	57%
1	Frank Ragnow	DET	19	19	100%	77%
1	Will Fries	IND	28	28	100%	55%
1	Creed Humphrey	KC	35	35	100%	90%
1	Quinn Meinerz	DEN	20	20	100%	58%
1	Tyler Linderbaum	BAL	21	21	100%	71%
1	Spencer Burford	SF	20	20	100%	61%
1	Cody Mauch	TB	18	18	100%	64%
20	Trey Smith	KC	33	34	97%	61%

OT Run Block Win Rate Rankings

RANK	NAME	TEAM	WINS	PLAYS	RBWR	DOUBLE TEAM %
1	Jake Matthews	ATL	24	25	96%	20%
2	Charles Leno Jr.	WAS	22	24	92%	33%
3	Trey Pipkins III.	LAC	30	33	91%	30%
3	Rashawn Slater	LAC	30	33	91%	21%
5	Garett Bolles	DEN	19	21	90%	38%
6	Darnell Wright	CHI	17	19	89%	47%
7	Laremy Tunsil	HOU	16	18	89%	11%
8	Ronnie Stanley	BAL	14	16	88%	13%
9	Andre Dillard	TEN	16	19	84%	58%
10	Walker Little	JAX	23	28	82%	25%

IOL Run Block Win Rate Rankings

RANK	NAME	TEAM	WINS	PLAYS	RBWR	DOUBLE TEAM %
1	Josh Jones	HOU	17	18	94%	33%
2	Creed Humphrey	KC	13	14	93%	36%
3	Jamaree Salyer	LAC	30	33	91%	36%
4	Corey Linsley	LAC	29	33	88%	61%
5	James Hurst	NO	19	22	86%	32%
5	Landon Dickerson	PHI	19	22	86%	18%
7	Austin Schlottmann	MIN	12	14	86%	64%
7	Joe Thuney	KC	12	14	86%	57%
9	Aaron Brewer	TEN	16	19	84%	95%
10	Laken Tomlinson	NYJ	21	25	84%	56%

Edited September 13, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[DWinzit]

They sure make Leno look good. We all know he is pretty decent and needs to stay healthy...like all of the OL.

 

I thought Cosmi had  a good game list or not! 

 

I see Mauch made the list...

 

Will Hernadez, huh.

 

I am a little surprised with Walker Little making the list, always thought he was a stiff. Well, it's one game so lets see if he stays up there. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by DWinzit

[Koolblue13]

Leno is a good and undervalued LT for us.

[Going Commando]

6 hours ago, Califan007 The Constipated said:

I'm not sure where this ranking came from, but...lol...

 

It's small sample size theater.  You can't tell where they stand in the league from less than 30 snaps.  But it does show that they only got beat on three snaps Sunday.  That is not that bad.

[HigSkin]

 

[Going Commando]

1 hour ago, DWinzit said:

I am a little surprised with Walker Little making the list, always thought he was a stiff. Well, it's one game so lets see if he stays up there. 

 

I think he sucks too.  The Jags are stuck betting on him because Cam Robinson got suspended, but make no mistake, they tried to replace Little with Anton Harrison.  I'm curious to see what happens with Little's PT once Robinson gets back next month.  They might be able to move him to LG, but that Jags line is surprisingly airtight.  They've got four of the five starting spots locked up with good players.

[757SeanTaylor21]

Get Collins in Here now.

[KillBill26]

Collins is 30, and is still 4-6 weeks from being healthy.  He tore an ACL and had reconstructive surgery in January.  He was once a very solid RT, and is young enough where you think he could bounce back from injury.  With the way Wylie has looked, I hope they kick the tires.  

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

 

PFF thinks we had the 8th best pass blocking in the league.

SIS thinks we had the 16th best (league average)

ESPN's metric also liked us as Top 10.

 

Looks like our pass blocking was better than we thought? Some issues with Howell trying to do hero ball and either holding too long or trying to buy too much time.