TradeTheBeal! Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 35 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Is Israel doing it because of Iran sending arms to Ukraine or is this to some other beef? There seems to be considerable sentiment online that these drone attacks originated from inside Iran’s borders, so this may be something more than the standard “IAF slaps Iran around” deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 19 minutes ago, LD0506 said: Does it matter? Asking for a friend I think motive almost always matters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 How a Long Island Car Crash Saved a Family in Ukraine At first, Gia Savocchi of Long Island thought the Instagram message she received late last week from a man with a name spelled out in Cyrillic letters was a scam. Then she saw the photos that Serhiy Lutskyi sent of the dark blue 2014 Volkswagen Jetta Sportwagen that she had reluctantly sold for scrap more than a year ago. And what she learned next was extraordinary: Lutskyi told her that the junked car had ended up in Ukraine and enabled him and his family to escape the horrors of war. “The car arrive miraculously,” Lutskyi told Savocchi via a translation app after he tracked down the 36-year-old dog behavior specialist through ownership papers she left in the glovebox. “I [repaired] it, put my wife and two children in it and left for the Czech Republic.” “Wow! This is incredible. Omg. My car has a crazy exciting new life,” Savocchi replied. “My car has a family and is an escape vehicle.” Click on the link for the full article 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 At the Pentagon, push to send F-16s to Ukraine picks up steam A contingent of military officials is quietly pushing the Pentagon to approve sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine to help the country defend itself from Russian missile and drone attacks, according to three people with knowledge of the discussions. Ukraine has kept American-made F-16s on its weapons wish list since the Russian invasion last year. But Washington and Kyiv have viewed artillery, armor and ground-based air defense systems as more urgent needs as Ukraine seeks to protect civilian infrastructure and claw back ground occupied by Russian forces. As Ukraine prepares to launch a new offensive to retake territory in the spring, the campaign inside the Defense Department for fighter jets is gaining momentum, according to a DoD official and two other people involved in the discussions. Those people, along with others interviewed for this story, asked not to be named in order to discuss internal matters. Spurred in part by the rapid approval of tanks and Patriot air defense systems — which not long ago were off-limits for export to Ukraine — there is renewed optimism in Kyiv that U.S. jets could be next up. Click on the link for the full article 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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China Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 100 strippers sent to front line by Vladimir Putin for 'special morale parties' Mad Vlad has ordered strippers and pole dancers to be sent to the front in a move to cheer up his troops and boost morale - prior to a spring offensive. The move comes as the Kremlin announces a medal for all Russian soldiers which have deployed in what he calls the ’special military operation’. Senior commanders have been ordered to organise the entertainment as Putin’s forces approach the first anniversary of the invasion of Ukraine - which they thought would be over in a week. More than 100 girls will be ferried to the front in a fleet of helicopters for a series of ‘concert shows’ at supply bases across the Donbas where troops are give five days rest and recuperation. Click on the link for the full story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Nothing like Gonorrhea to keep you warm through the winter. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 20 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Is Israel doing it because of Iran sending arms to Ukraine or is this to some other beef? Pretty sure Israel cares about 1). Israel 2). Nobody else. I would assume more a case of "gee, Iran is sending lots of things to Russia, and planning to build replacements later". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 38 minutes ago, Larry said: Pretty sure Israel cares about 1). Israel 2). Nobody else. I would assume more a case of "gee, Iran is sending lots of things to Russia, and planning to build replacements later". .....and we can get away with this right now because Russia, so nobody will say **** 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Brilliant, insightful commentary on foreign policy from Marjorie Traitor Greene as you would expect: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Yes. We need to show the world the folly of going against international will to coerce power over regions by force, marjy… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Of course, invading another country is somehow the opposite of warmongering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbunny Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Full blown insanity started in 1999. It's funny how people think this just started last year and that Putin was a nice guy before that. He never was and never will. Give her a one way ticket to Russia. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 I think y'all are missing the point. She's accusing Ukraine of warmongering. Because they're discussing "invading" Ukraine. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Well of course the Confederate Flag humper from Georgia is upset that a country would be willing to "invade" its own "breakaway" territory to take it back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 To bad biden not willing to send Ukraine f16… the abrams tanks just missile targets without the ability to protect them…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 35 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: To bad biden not willing to send Ukraine f16… the abrams tanks just missile targets without the ability to protect them…. Guess we need to add “armored warfare” to the List of Expertise. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 52 minutes ago, TradeTheBeal! said: Guess we need to add “armored warfare” to the List of Expertise. All yah gotta do is read what other people have said… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I don’t think they can fly our stuff and have been getting migs from other countries. but lacking air superiority is a problem for tanks. idk how well russia can take advantage of that though … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Australia partners with France to supply Ukraine with artillery shells Australia has partnered with France to supply Ukraine with 155-millimetre artillery shells, Defence Minister Richard Marles and his counterpart Sebastien Lecornu have announced. "Several thousand 155mm shells will be manufactured jointly" by French arms supplier Nexter, France's Mr Lecornu said, while Mr Marles said the plan would come with a "multi-million-dollar" price tag. The ammunition supplies fit into "the ongoing level of support both France and Australia are providing Ukraine to make sure Ukraine is able to stay in this conflict and … see it concluded on its own terms," Mr Marles added. Mr Lecornu said the aid would be "significant" and "an effort that will be kept up over time", with the first deliveries slated for the first quarter of 2023. Click on the link for the full article 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 11 hours ago, tshile said: I don’t think they can fly our stuff and have been getting migs from other countries. but lacking air superiority is a problem for tanks. idk how well russia can take advantage of that though … Right now Russia has very little air action over Ukraine, they got ****ed up by Ukrainian air defenses and are gun shy. Most of their air assets take off from deep in Russia, fly towards the border, launch missiles and beat feet. The Ukrainians are husbanding their aircraft and use them sparingly. That's one of the big reasons why we see the WWI type battles around Bakhmut and Soledar. The USAF has had Ukrainian pilots training with them since Crimea in '14. Our pilots have raved about their skills, how quickly they picked up our techniques and even taught the teachers a few tricks. It is more complicated than that. A US supplied F-16 gets in an engagement with a Russian Mig and might easily stray into Russian airspace. The wreckage of a US plane on Russian soil would have implications. The Ukes have already attacked over the border at Belgorod, etc., so they're not shy about it. The temptation to cross into Russia to take out the bombers launching heavy stuff at their cities would be awfully tempting in the moment. The US is trying to use its leverage to keep the battlefield constrained if not contained and aircraft make it a lot harder. Don't kid yourself, a 4 on 4 USAF vs UAF battle would be won by the US, but they wouldn't all get home, the Ukes would get their licks in. The good ones are really good. IMO what's needed is CAP over the battlefield to allow groundstrike aircraft and helicopters to engage, there wouldn't be enough body bags, but consider the big picture. If we assist, actively intervene with 1st Gen weapons and the Ukrainians smash the Russian spring offensive, sweep to the border and annihilate every Russian on their soil, the Russians are going to be more inclined to do something desperate and drastic. That could be anything, nukes on American soil like a Tom Clancy novel or a major bioweapon attack or just breeching reactors to envelop Europe in a radioactive cloud, figuring if we die you die, **** it. The Ukrainians have been extremely pragmatic about all this, they understand you ask for a loaf and maybe you get a slice. Their tears fill the Dnieper, they are incredibly warm, family oriented tightly knit communities and they are feeling every death, every drop of blood on the land, but they also have a long history of this, a centuries long litany of pain and horror, so they understand on a visceral level that if it must be this way, if they must send teachers to the front to fight, grandmas to tend the wounded, children to make molotov ****tails in the fleeting hope that this might be the last battle, they will endure. Ukraine is carving its way into history, writing an epic in blood and tears that will be remembered for centuries. They deserve whatever help we can give them, not in charity but rather for their titanic gift of courage and endurance for the future. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, LD0506 said: IMO what's needed is CAP over the battlefield to allow groundstrike aircraft and helicopters to engage, there wouldn't be enough body bags, but consider the big picture. If we assist, actively intervene with 1st Gen weapons and the Ukrainians smash the Russian spring offensive, sweep to the border and annihilate every Russian on their soil, the Russians are going to be more inclined to do something desperate and drastic. That could be anything, nukes on American soil like a Tom Clancy novel or a major bioweapon attack or just breeching reactors to envelop Europe in a radioactive cloud, figuring if we die you die, **** it. Yeah, I'm thinking if you want to help the Ukes with US aircraft, start training them on the A-10. Although that probably takes a really skilled, well practiced, pilot, too. Still. It's a nice fantasy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Larry said: Yeah, I'm thinking if you want to help the Ukes with US aircraft, start training them on the A-10. Although that probably takes a really skilled, well practiced, pilot, too. Still. It's a nice fantasy. You don't think they are already? I would bet $2 they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 hours ago, LD0506 said: The USAF has had Ukrainian pilots training with them since Crimea in '14 I think, down the road, the years we spent training them in the lead up to the invasion will be a very interesting story. We know some already but surely there’s more we don’t yet know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 30 minutes ago, tshile said: I think, down the road, the years we spent training them in the lead up to the invasion will be a very interesting story. We know some already but surely there’s more we don’t yet know. I had an old vet in intel tell me this, for everything you hear there are nine you don't, and that one thing was crafted for you to hear Hindsight is the only vision that's ever clear, and you need a large data base to be sure about that. People will still be writing new books about this a hundred years from now. Look at how many authors still make a living writing about the Civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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