TheGreatBuzz Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 minute ago, Captain Wiggles said: They change that recently? Thought the M1 Abrams was designed to run on any fuel. Diesel, gasoline, n yeah even jet fuel. I could be wrong but not that I am aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Captain Wiggles said: They change that recently? Thought the M1 Abrams was designed to run on any fuel. Diesel, gasoline, n yeah even jet fuel. I thought it was designed to run on over commies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Google claims it runs on any fuel… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 6 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Google claims it runs on any fuel… "Can" and "does well" are two different things. I'll have to go read up on it. I know our aircraft "could" but I wouldn't ride in it on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 18 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I could be wrong but not that I am aware of. Yeah, I thought they were still running on jet fuel myself. However, I have to wonder whether the U.S.'s claims that the Abrams are too complicated to maintain is a load of B.S., and I'm inclined to think it is. So let's say Hans keeps whining "You first, you first". All we'd have to do is announce we're sending the Abrams, send two inoperative ones, stripped of any sensitive tech and let them sit in storage somewhere. Hell, they wouldn't even have to be assembled, just a pile of parts. The latter option would require a few that work for the photo ops, but once that's over, they could go right back into the transport while the parts stay behind. Now where's your excuse Hans? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 minute ago, The Sisko said: Yeah, I thought they were still running on jet fuel myself. However, I have to wonder whether the U.S.'s claims that the Abrams are too complicated to maintain is a load of B.S., and I'm inclined to think it is. So let's say Hans keeps whining "You first, you first". All we'd have to do is announce we're sending the Abrams, send two inoperative ones, stripped of any sensitive tech and let them sit in storage somewhere. Hell, they wouldn't even have to be assembled, just a pile of parts. The latter option would require a few that work for the photo ops, but once that's over, they could go right back into the transport while the parts stay behind. Now where's your excuse Hans? That wouldn't pass the BS meter for the Germans. However I don't understand why we can't just send say, a company (about 14 tanks) as a trial run, to see if they can be useful. And yeah I think its a bit nonsense to **** at the Germans for not sending the Leopard, while also claiming the Abrams won't work for them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, The Sisko said: Yeah, I thought they were still running on jet fuel myself. However, I have to wonder whether the U.S.'s claims that the Abrams are too complicated to maintain is a load of B.S., and I'm inclined to think it is. So let's say Hans keeps whining "You first, you first". All we'd have to do is announce we're sending the Abrams, send two inoperative ones, stripped of any sensitive tech and let them sit in storage somewhere. Hell, they wouldn't even have to be assembled, just a pile of parts. The latter option would require a few that work for the photo ops, but once that's over, they could go right back into the transport while the parts stay behind. Now where's your excuse Hans? Well jet fuel is really just super refined diesel. And I don't think the Germans would fall for a trick like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I wasn’t really saying we’d try to trick them but rather just check off this box to give them some cover. If the rest of NATO could keep quiet, it could work. Maybe. Hell, who says Vlad’s the only one who gets to lie in this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Lying to your Allies is at best a bad look. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, DCSaints_fan said: That wouldn't pass the BS meter for the Germans. However I don't understand why we can't just send say, a company (about 14 tanks) as a trial run, to see if they can be useful. And yeah I think its a bit nonsense to **** at the Germans for not sending the Leopard, while also claiming the Abrams won't work for them. Isn't the issue that the Germans won't let other countries send Leopards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Like most American weapons they are one element of a larger system. The Abrams are the best tanks in the world, but require, nay demand, an entire circus of supporting maintenance and support personnel and equipment, along with being kind of a gas hog. But ok, say the Germans dare us, we could just push a bunch of **** in there, elbowing a lot of other stuff aside, taking up a lot of transport capacity, straining the locals systems for food, housing, etc. Gawd knows Americans know how to rudely shove themselves to the front of a crowd. Still wouldn't mean dick. Look at a map, Ukraine, especially eastern Ukraine has a brazilian rivers, streams, brooks, rivulets and creeks and you hit a bridge about every mile and a half in places, and none of them can support an Abrams. The Leopards are lighter, not that the bridges would shrug that off but the bridging equipment available could accommodate the Leopards. We'd have to surge a whole bunch of American bridging equipment and support and crews and beer in just to move the ****s beyond the city limits. Terrain conditions channel armor, as much as I'd love to see Abrams in there it may not best the best option. Wanna really help? Send in the A10s and helicopters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwyl Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, LD0506 said: brazilian rivers Bare banks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 14 minutes ago, Pwyl said: Bare banks? Just a strip down the middle And while I'm around....... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-1-22-23-intl/index.html Germany would not stop Poland from sending Leopard 2 combat tanks to Ukraine if asked, German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock told French Television LCI on Sunday. “The question has not been asked. If we were asked the question, we would not stand in the way,“ Baerbock said in an interview on the sides of a French-German cabinet meeting celebrating 60 years of the Elysée treaty. So then, that sounds like a done deal… why hasn’t Poland asked yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 55 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-1-22-23-intl/index.html Germany would not stop Poland from sending Leopard 2 combat tanks to Ukraine if asked, German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock told French Television LCI on Sunday. “The question has not been asked. If we were asked the question, we would not stand in the way,“ Baerbock said in an interview on the sides of a French-German cabinet meeting celebrating 60 years of the Elysée treaty. So then, that sounds like a done deal… why hasn’t Poland asked yet? Given all the press statements of the past couple of weeks, I'm pretty sure Poland has asked, along with other countries. I think what may have happened last week is that the rest of NATO said either we all send Leopards, including Germany, or we send Leopards with German permission, but the Germans can opt out. And right now the Germans are deciding whether to send their own tanks as well, or just let everyone else send tanks. I think it's got to the point where the Poles in particular are on the verge of just sending the tanks anyway, and this is about preserving as much unity in NATO as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gurgeh Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 58 minutes ago, China said: Given how inaccurate their weapons are, I don't give Tucker Carlson much chance if they try and kill everyone except Tucker Carlson. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, China said: Yet another thing Russia has in common with the Republican Party. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) On 1/21/2023 at 7:36 PM, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Lying to your Allies is at best a bad look. It's not about lying to allies. It's about public perceptions. I'm no weapons expert, but thinking about it, having already sent a token number of them, the British should send more of their Challenger 2s. Those things are damn near indestructible and would dust any of the tanks the Orcs have, so the Ukrainians could do some real work with them if they got even a decent number, say 50 of them, especially since we're sending Bradley's and Strykers which aren't really a match for MBTs. There aren't as many of the Challenger 2s as the Leopard so it would be a decent chunk of the UK's arsenal but It would put tons more pressure on the Germans to allow the Leopards to be exported. For the British themselves, it would be a golden opportunity to compete with the Germans on the world market, assuming they could ramp up production. Edited January 24 by The Sisko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Sisko Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Looks like it's going to finally happen after all... US finalizing plans to send Abrams tanks to Ukraine, US officials say Washington CNN — The Biden administration is finalizing plans to send US-made Abrams tanks to Ukraine and could make an announcement as soon as this week, according to three US officials familiar with the deliberations. The timing around the actual delivery of the tanks is still unclear and it normally takes several months to train troops to use the tanks effectively, officials said. An announcement about the tanks could be part of an attempt to break a diplomatic logjam with Germany, which indicated to the US last week that it would not send its Leopard tanks to Ukraine unless the US also agreed to send its M1 Abrams tanks. Top national security officials in the administration have been actively considering steps they could take to convince Germany to send the Leopards. On Friday, at a meeting of western defense leaders in Germany, the US and its allies failed to convince German officials to send the Leopards as part of Berlin’s next round of military assistance to Ukraine. But on Tuesday, the German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said “We are preparing our decision, which will come very soon” on the tanks. Later on Tuesday German newspaper Der Spiegel reported that German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has decided to send Leopard tanks to Ukraine after “months of debate.”... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) On 1/21/2023 at 6:35 PM, PokerPacker said: I thought it was designed to run on over commies. It did run over a few Iraqis in Desert Storm https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-09-12-mn-2959-story.html Quote In most cases, two M1-A1 tanks with plows shaped like giant teeth were assigned to each section of the trench line. The tanks took up positions on either side of the trenches, most of them three feet wide and six feet deep. Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Vulcan armored personnel carriers straddled the trench lines and fired into the Iraqi soldiers as the tanks covered them with mounds of sand. “I came through right after the lead company,” Moreno said. “What you saw was a bunch of buried trenches with peoples’ arms and things sticking out of them.” Pretty gruesome tale that didn't get alot of media play Edited January 24 by DCSaints_fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 The Leopards are a go. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 hours ago, DCSaints_fan said: It did run over a few Iraqis in Desert Storm https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-09-12-mn-2959-story.html Pretty gruesome tale that didn't get alot of media play I remember that story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Kremlin Admits ‘Putin’s Chef’ Might Be Assassinated Soon The Kremlin signaled Tuesday that Wagner Group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin could soon find himself the target of an assassination attempt. Although Prigozhin is widely reported to have pissed off many officials in Vladimir Putin’s orbit with his antics in Ukraine, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said it is actually authorities in Kyiv that Prigozhin should worry about. Prigozhin himself claimed earlier Tuesday that he’d been briefed on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and CIA director William Burns supposedly getting together to discuss his assassination. “This is more of a question for the special services,” Peskov told reporters when asked about the allegation. “But as for assassination attempts, Ukraine is involved in both assassination attempts and an absolutely monstrous murder. Let's remember the assassination attempts that took place. Let's remember the murder of [Daria] Dugina and so forth. The involvement of the Kyiv regime in such assassination attempts is obvious, so there is such a danger to our citizens,” Peskov said. The “assassination” claim originally came from Vladimir Rogov, one of Russia’s proxy leaders in Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region. Even some pro-war Russian commentators were quick to point out on social media that the biggest threat for the Wagner boss is more likely right at home. “It seems to me that those who are most interested in Prigozhin's elimination are located near the Kremlin,” one commentator wrote. “They’ll just leak information about [his] movements and locations to the Ukrainians.” Click on the link for the full article Wagers? Polonium tea? Defenestration? Bullet to the back of the skull? Car accident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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