Burgold Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Looking back, I remember feeling really excited about our possibilities after the 2020 season. We had so much going for us: First year coach in Rivera who took us to the playoffs. Overcoming a slow start to come together as a team and made the playoffs by the skin of our teeth. An impressive defense especially on the line. A great young receiver. A mobile QB with some accuracy issues. Plus, a really strong showing against Tampa who turned out to crush all the other playoff competition in their way. The 2021 Eagles have: A first year coach who took them to the playoffs A team that overcame a slow start to make it into the playoffs by the skin of their teeth An defense that really improved over its last eight games and was dominant in limiting points, rushing yards, and a few other defensive categories A great young receiver A mobile QB with some accuracy issues A better running game A really awful showing against a depleted Tampa team. The teams really are pretty similar when boiled down. It's strange though how yesterday's shellacking make me think that the 2021 Eagles have shown themselves to be imposters. Maybe it's because the 2021 WFT turned out to be imposters and that their launchpad never led to a spaceship that could get off the ground. Now Hurts is probably better than Heinike, but even with the game out of reach, the Eagles seemed deathly afraid to take him off the leash and throw a pass longer than a handoff. 2020 has made me think that the Eagles trajectory will be incredibly disappointing. In the end, they were a poor man's 2020 WFT with worse prospects. Maybe this all goes back to QB. Washington has no real investment into Heinike whereas I'd imagine the Eagles are stuck with Hurts for a few years. For what it's worth, I think Hurts is fine as long as the running game works, but can't do it if the team needs to switch modes. Yesterday when the Eagles found themselves trailing big time, the Eagles were still reluctant to let Hurts try any pass longer than a handoff. And yet, I think they stick with him to see how he develops. Just like Washington in 2020, Eagles will think they are "almost there." Some will think they are one magical QB away from being a true contender. But I think that's a false narrative too because everything that I thought was great about our team I now question: I don't think we have a defense that's ready to be dominant for years, I don't know that I think the coaches have developed the culture or that they are good at developing players, and while I thought they were close in 2020, I look at them as a basement team with miles to go right now. I think that's where the Eagles are... except worse. After all, we were a team on the rise in the playoffs and they showed they absolutely didn't belong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca Brasi Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 I said this before in another thread, the Eagles were the biggest fraud in the NFL. Not only did they play a last place schedule, but they benefited incredibly by playing teams with several injured starters. In fact, they only beat 2 teams who had their starting QB’s (Atlanta and Detroit). So that is another similarity between them and the 2020 WFT. They should not have been in the playoffs and almost certainly would not have if not for our Covid outbreak. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacePenguin Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) The kind of offense that the Eagles run also kind of reminds me of recent WTF "success". Against undisciplined defenses, a run heavy attack with lots of presnap motion, misdirection, and boots can generate some yardage, even with a mediocre QB. Against playoff defenses armed with detailed gameplanning, not so much. I hope the Eagles keep Hurts and their current coaching staff for years, personally. Mark Schlereth can keep talking about how amazing they are for beating poor teams hit with injuries or disease for the next decade They may even get to lose a wildcard game every few seasons, with how diluted the talent pool is in the current NFL. Edited January 17, 2022 by SpacePenguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profusion Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Things can turn quickly in the NFL these days, so I suppose the essential question is whether the Eagles are better run than the WFT and more capable of building on whatever it is they accomplished this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Fandom is an interesting thing OP, people easily see the faults of others but not their own team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, Luca Brasi said: I said this before in another thread, the Eagles were the biggest fraud in the NFL. Not only did they play a last place schedule, but they benefited incredibly by playing teams with several injured starters. In fact, they only beat 2 teams who had their starting QB’s (Atlanta and Detroit). So that is another similarity between them and the 2020 WFT. They should not have been in the playoffs and almost certainly would not have if not for our Covid outbreak. Agreed. They also benefitted from New Orleans having QB injuries. Had we stayed out of the way of COVID we would've at worst split with them. But, yesterday was a great day watching them and the Cowboys both lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Yeah, well. **** 'em. 6 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Both teams benefitted from weak schedules. I think the Eagles will fall off HARD next year. Kinda reminds me of the Giants first year under McAdoo where they made the playoffs but then his schtick wore out and the team tuned him out. I still got Jimmy Zorn vibes from Nicky Sirianni. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 I was hoping Hurts would show a little more but he was wildly inaccurate. His flop game increases the likelihood they go after a QB in the offseason and they are armed to the teeth compared to us. Or they could go the other route and improve roster around Hurts. I think the Jury is still out on him. He is one heck of a fantasy QB. If it wasnt for covid that may well have been us in there but we would have lost too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins 2021 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) They could be but they are in a position to add a couple of nice pieces this off season. Edited January 17, 2022 by Redskins 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Just now, Redskins 2021 said: They could but they are in a position to add a couple nice pieces this off season. right. We ended up with the 19th pick. They have 15, 16 and 19. That's a way better place to be then us last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbunny Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Florgon79 said: right. We ended up with the 19th pick. They have 15, 16 and 19. That's a way better place to be then us last year. If I'm Jacksonville, I'd call them to trade 1st pick for their 3 first round. And btw, we own 11th, not 19th Edited January 17, 2022 by Wildbunny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Just now, Wildbunny said: If I'm Jacksonville, I'd call them to trade 1st pick for their 3 first round. And btw, we own 11th, not 19th I mean from last years draft. This thread is about how our last year mirrors their current year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, Florgon79 said: right. We ended up with the 19th pick. They have 15, 16 and 19. That's a way better place to be then us last year. Don't worry. Mara is already working to strip them of their picks. Something about how having too many first rounders is in violation of the spirit of the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbunny Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Burgold said: Don't worry. Mara is already working to strip them of their picks. Something about how having too many first rounders is in violation of the spirit of the draft. Yeah, it's not like the Giants owned two picks in the Top 7 as well 🤣 58 minutes ago, Florgon79 said: I mean from last years draft. This thread is about how our last year mirrors their current year. OK didn't understood this part sorry Edited January 17, 2022 by Wildbunny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Somehow, i think the eagles will be able to build off of this year, in 2022. Their D Line won’t be freelancing, their QB is going into his 3rd season, their owner isn’t as stupid as ours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 It’ll be interesting to see what the Eagles do in the draft with those 3 1sts. If they want to upgrade over Hurts, they have more capital than anyone outside of the Giants. If they want to let it ride with Hurts and hoard capital for 2023, they will try to move at least one of those 1sts for a future first. If they keep the 1sts, I expect Jameson Williams and Devin Lloyd to be Eagles next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said: Somehow, i think the eagles will be able to build off of this year, in 2022. Their D Line won’t be freelancing, their QB is going into his 3rd season, their owner isn’t as stupid as ours. The Eagles have the picks to improve their roster. They also would fare better in getting one of those vets than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhd24 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, method man said: It’ll be interesting to see what the Eagles do in the draft with those 3 1sts. If they want to upgrade over Hurts, they have more capital than anyone outside of the Giants. If they want to let it ride with Hurts and hoard capital for 2023, they will try to move at least one of those 1sts for a future first. If they keep the 1sts, I expect Jameson Williams and Devin Lloyd to be Eagles next season It would pure idiocy to take WR in the first round 3 years in a row. We got lucky they didn't take Parsons last year (unfortunately Dallas did). Their organization doesn't value LBs. I expect them to target Watson in a trade. If they can't do it, I figure they do edge (Barnett is a FA), DT (Cox is aging), and CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said: The Eagles have the picks to improve their roster. They also would fare better in getting one of those vets than us. Two more reasons why they’ll most likely build off their 2021 season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 The flip side to the Eagles advantage of having three first round draft picks might also be found in the WTF story. Sometimes, improvements worsen the team. On paper, Jackson was a big upgrade to Darby, but in terms of fit and play the D suffered. Likewise, subbing out Kurl for Collins. In fact, many of our additions seemed to be subtractions. So while an infusion of three first round talents sounds great it does carry a risk. First, you need to pick right and second you have to get the player up to speed and endure growing pains. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Hopefully this sham playoff appearance convinces them to give Jalen Hurts a much longer leash. Say...six or seven seasons. Can't give up on a stud like that too quickly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veteranskinsfan Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Hurts and TH look similar. Breaking news- Jerry Jones intends to keep Mike McCarthy as Head Coach. This is good news for other NFC East teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zim489 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 7 hours ago, Luca Brasi said: I said this before in another thread, the Eagles were the biggest fraud in the NFL. Not only did they play a last place schedule, but they benefited incredibly by playing teams with several injured starters. In fact, they only beat 2 teams who had their starting QB’s (Atlanta and Detroit). So that is another similarity between them and the 2020 WFT. They should not have been in the playoffs and almost certainly would not have if not for our Covid outbreak. Have to wonder if thats going to be a thing every single year moving forward with the 7 playoff teams. Some trash team that had everything go right for them and they sneak in because some one did. Same thing happened on both confrences this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodytusk Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, Zim489 said: Have to wonder if thats going to be a thing every single year moving forward with the 7 playoff teams. Some trash team that had everything go right for them and they sneak in because some one did. Same thing happened on both confrences this year. And in the process lose a few draft spots that could have helped them improve as a team more then a one and done in the playoffs. May end up just hurting boarder-line teams in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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