kingdaddy Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Redskins 2021 said: It looks like we may not be even picking top 10. We will be lucky to get one of the top two OT. Forget about the Qb. Is it worth trading up for the top OT? Yep. If he's that good it is....like can't miss stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 13 hours ago, Going Commando said: Hokay... so you do believe that Sam is better than Lawrence, and what, at least as good as Burrow? That was me testing the wind in the thread, and now I realize now that it's gotten really fanciful. BTW, Trevor Lawrence played as a rookie. Sam is not a rookie, this is his second year. What did Trevor Lawrence do in his second year? And me introducing the argument about Josh Dobbs was a reductio ad absurdum, not an indication that I love Josh Dobbs. It was to demonstrate how specious your logic was, showing that if you followed it to it's conclusion, you get to awful takes like "Josh Dobbs must be greater than any college prospect." You are saying Sam is not a rookie since it is his 2nd year. How many reps did Sam have every week with the first teammates last year? You know the answer to that question. Trevor played 17 games his rookie year and had 12 TDs to 17 INTs. Sam played only 1 game his rookie year with 1 TD to 1 INT. Let's compare Sam to Trevor in their 2nd year then. Trevor last year through the first 9 games had 11TDs to 6 INTs. Sam has 14 TDs to 9 INTs this year aka his 2nd year. Similar performance perhaps except Trevor played 16 more games then Sam did and had actual on the field experience prior to his 2nd year as a starter. Let's compare notes once the season ends and see how well or not Sam does at the conclusion of his 2nd year then. As for Burrow, he had 20 TDs to 11 INTs through the first 9 games of his 2nd year. Burrow only played 10 games his rookie year though. But, there is one huge fact that you are overlooking is that Burrow was on a SB team and Trevor was on a playoff team in their sophomore year. Sam is not. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 8 hours ago, kingdaddy said: Yep. If he's that good it is....like can't miss stud. There’s no such thing as a can’t miss prospect. That said, I agree, if we need to move up a few spots to get a tackle, it might be possible. And we should do it. We need better players at key spots, not more players at all spots. If it’s 5+ spots to the top 5, it’s going to cost an additional first and that’s probably too rich…. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 44 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said: There’s no such thing as a can’t miss prospect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 I'm fine with trading up too if its a guy you truly believe can be a star or real difference maker. Wouldn't you be willing to give up Forbes and Stromberg for, say, Darnell Wright? We'd get a better player at a higher position of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/10/2023 at 4:38 PM, KillBill26 said: I wouldn't be surprised to see maye have more success in the NFL than Caleb. And Id rather have Howell + high first round pick at another position, than draft maye/Caleb and flip Howell for picks that aren't going to match his worth. What about franchise QB "hit" on 5 year cost controlled contract, vs 2 years left on cheap deal? If Howell is it, I'm fine with Howell, but I think this is speculative more than certain, and I'd rather double down on QB, trade one if both hit. We'll know more in 2 months though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samy316 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, The Consigliere said: What about franchise QB "hit" on 5 year cost controlled contract, vs 2 years left on cheap deal? If Howell is it, I'm fine with Howell, but I think this is speculative more than certain, and I'd rather double down on QB, trade one if both hit. We'll know more in 2 months though. We don’t have a shot a Caleb or Drake. To me, those are the only two QB’s that are as close to can’t miss prospects as there are in the upcoming NFL draft. There’s no other QB I’d draft after those two, if Howell finishes the year as a clearly defined starting QB, or even a top 10-15 QB numbers wise. Penix, Nix, McCarthy and the other potential 1st Round QB’s aren’t going to be as good as Howell is right now. In the case of Penix Jr. and Nix, they are already coming in older than Howell is right now. I think our best course of action this offseason is to draft OL and/or TE early and often, and surround Howell with a capable line, so that he can excel even further moving forward. We’re not going to be in line for Caleb Williams or Drake Maye, so we aren’t going to be able to draft any franchise level QB’s as good as those two are. Edited November 12, 2023 by samy316 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 16 hours ago, Redskins 2021 said: It looks like we may not be even picking top 10. We will be lucky to get one of the top two OT. Forget about the Qb. Is it worth trading up for the top OT? If we are picking outside the top 10 I would say we have no chance of getting the top two OTs. But there are another couple of very good OTs that will probably go top 20 picks. They are more RT than LT though. But we need a RT badly! I wouldn’t trade up - we have lots of needs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillBill26 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 hours ago, The Consigliere said: What about franchise QB "hit" on 5 year cost controlled contract, vs 2 years left on cheap deal? If Howell is it, I'm fine with Howell, but I think this is speculative more than certain, and I'd rather double down on QB, trade one if both hit. We'll know more in 2 months though. Valid point, years 3-5 would be cheaper, although we would save money with Howell year 1 (1 mil vs 10 mil cap hits), and possibly year 2, but I hope theyd have howell locked up by then, which would come with a higher cap hit. While the savings on years 3-5 are an advantage, you are also replacing someone who has proven can be successful, with an unknown. With our QB drought, I want to lock Howell up and know we have our franchise QB for the next decade plus. I'm far from sold on Caleb, and maye is not a lock either. All things considered, I hope they proceed with sam being viewed as the long term QB this off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakinaiken Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 14 hours ago, kingdaddy said: Yep. If he's that good it is....like can't miss stud. Exactly. Like a “Tyler Polumbus” type prospect. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Seriously, at this stage of Howell's career just go all in on O-line and give Howell all the protection you can possibly give him. Whether it's free agency or the draft. or likely both, get offensive linemen. Fill in the rest as you go but protect him first and foremost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 8 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said: There’s no such thing as a can’t miss prospect. Disagree. Calvin Johnson and Julio Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr. Do Itch Big said: Disagree. Calvin Johnson and Julio Jones. They just are can’t miss because they didn’t. Griffin was seen as a can’t miss prospect. So was Young for that matter and both missed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket442Olds Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) Edit: Oops. Tapped next thread. Edited November 13, 2023 by Rocket442Olds Wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 I think that hit on sam before the TD to the knee was just dirty. that clock didn't start on time. why are our corners always so far off the receivers and always a step behind the cuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Incredible experience for Howell to generate game tying drives in Seattle and against Philly. The fumble was a bummer, but that final drive was nice. I’m a believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 13, 2023 Author Share Posted November 13, 2023 All three TFs were Howell creating magic off bad broken plays. Kids awesome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins 2021 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 It's the defense the secondary is bad the dline is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RWJ Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) I wonder if Eugene Chen knows any GMs or has some on his radar? Hmmm? Edited November 13, 2023 by RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Is this the official Sam Howell is the QB thread or folks really want to risk Kirk'n ourselves trying to get greedy??? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 I thought Sam had a hell of a game today. Maybe his best yet, all things considered. Very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Daniel.redskins Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 30 minutes ago, Ball Security said: Incredible experience for Howell to generate game tying drives in Seattle and against Philly. The fumble was a bummer, but that final drive was nice. I’m a believer. The fumble was another mistake Howell will learn from and get better. It's a shame that the young QB seems to run harder than anyone else. Everyone else was just standing around watching him drag 2 Seahawks. If we had players helping him we could have recovered the fumble. The team needs a complete overhaul. But, we have our QB. In a much better position than most teams. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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