The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randall 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariotta and Hartman forever. Fromm cut

[Voice_of_Reason]

11 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Im referencing the rumors of Fitzmagic being seen at a water park Labor Day weekend hurting his hip on a water slide

Oh, I guess I never heard that rumor.

 

Fair.

[zCommander]

25 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Oh, I guess I never heard that rumor.

 

Fair.

 

https://www.audacy.com/1053thefan/sports/caller-claims-ryan-fitzpatrick-injured-his-hip-on-waterslide

 

It was also posted in the Fitz thread as well. 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2022 by zCommander

[Koolblue13]

1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Your mother was a hamsters always gets me.  EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.  Most people like "I fart in your general direction."  But the hamster thing always got me.

 

I have used "go away or I [will] taunt you a second time" at work from time to time.

 

 

??

Did you know that calling a woman a hamster, means a whore and reeking of elderberries means you're a drunk? I learned that today.

[Voice_of_Reason]

22 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Did you know that calling a woman a hamster, means a whore and reeking of elderberries means you're a drunk? I learned that today.

I did not. Good to know.  

[88Comrade2000]

I will make a bold prediction now. If Sam does become an nfl starter; it will not be with us.

 

Either the Rivera era ends in the next 2 years and the next guy wants his own qb or Carson is a bust and Dan wants to move up to draft the qb.

 

I don’t think Sam will get the chance here to be a starter.

[redskinss]

41 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

I will make a bold prediction now. If Sam does become an nfl starter; it will not be with us.

 

Either the Rivera era ends in the next 2 years and the next guy wants his own qb or Carson is a bust and Dan wants to move up to draft the qb.

 

I don’t think Sam will get the chance here to be a starter.

That's not a bold prediction it's a wild guess.

A bold prediction has some basis in fact, this does not.

[wit33]

4 hours ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

I will make a bold prediction now. If Sam does become an nfl starter; it will not be with us.

 

Either the Rivera era ends in the next 2 years and the next guy wants his own qb or Carson is a bust and Dan wants to move up to draft the qb.

 

I don’t think Sam will get the chance here to be a starter.

Riveras not going anywhere. Unless he retires. Extension is 90% likely within 9 months

[Warhead36]

33 minutes ago, wit33 said:

Riveras not going anywhere. Unless he retires. Extension is 90% likely within 9 months

We're gonna go 11-6 and win a playoff game and Rivera will get a 5 year extension.

[Commander Chaaarmnder]

This is the best trio of QB’s we’ve had since 1989.  Williams, Rypien, and Humphries.  Time to go win some games.

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

4 hours ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

I will make a bold prediction now. If Sam does become an nfl starter; it will not be with us.

 

Either the Rivera era ends in the next 2 years and the next guy wants his own qb or Carson is a bust and Dan wants to move up to draft the qb.

 

I don’t think Sam will get the chance here to be a starter.

It took me a while, but I finally figured it out. You are like Christopher Walken in The Dead Zone. All doom and gloom…except his predictions were actually right.😆

[Conn]

1 hour ago, wit33 said:

Riveras not going anywhere. Unless he retires. Extension is 90% likely within 9 months

I want to see this happen regardless of how we do the next couple years just to read the 88Comrade2000 posts. Every post he’s written for two years now has been with the angle of somehow mentioning Rivera’s job security or lack thereof. He could be talking about the 2nd string punt protector and he’d say “wonder if this guy will be on the team when Rivera is fired after this season or next at the latest, the new regime will want their own hand-picked 2nd string punt protector”.
 

It’s all he cares about. Would be hilarious 

Edited September 3, 2022 by Conn

[zCommander]

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

We're gonna go 11-6 and win a playoff game and Rivera will get a 5 year extension.

 

Or we win the SB and Riverboat Ron will get a 10 year extension. 

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

23 hours ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

I will make a bold prediction now. If Sam does become an nfl starter; it will not be with us.

 

Either the Rivera era ends in the next 2 years and the next guy wants his own qb or Carson is a bust and Dan wants to move up to draft the qb.

 

I don’t think Sam will get the chance here to be a starter.

Most likely he will get the opportunity to start at some point while he is here. Up to him what he does with that opportunity.

[Skinsinparadise]

In Carson Wentz, Commanders have confidence they’ve found the one

 

Carson Wentz was in the backyard of his home in Indianapolis pushing one of his young daughters on a swing when he got a call he never expected. The Colts traded the quarterback to Washington in exchange for a pair of third-round draft picks, one of which can become a second-rounder depending on Wentz’s playing time.

 

 

Suddenly, the peace of a spring day was filled with uncertainty and angst as he and his wife began to plan a new life. Again.

“This one, honestly, it caught us off guard,” Wentz said.

Wentz’s phone rang again. This time it was Commanders Coach Ron Rivera, who called to welcome him to Washington.

For the second time in roughly a year, Wentz was traded by a team that had initially traded for him. The Philadelphia Eagles moved up in the 2016 draft to select him, then shipped him to Indianapolis five years later for two draft picks. The Colts cut ties after one season that ended disappointingly.

 

Wentz’s tenures at both stops have become known most for their bitter endings. In Philadelphia, his quick rise to the top of the quarterback echelon was met with a steeper fall. There was the knee injury that ended his MVP-caliber season in 2017, just before the Eagles went on to win Super Bowl LII. There was the back injury that followed, the then-record contract extension that failed to match his production and then the arrival of Jalen Hurts, a young quarterback who quickly supplanted Wentz.

Wentz’s relationship with the Eagles reportedly “deteriorated beyond repair,” prompting a trade request and his eventual exit.

Despite an impressive 12-game span in which he had the third-best passer rating in the league and helped the Colts go 9-3, Wentz was let go after the team imploded late in the year. In Week 18, the Colts came unglued against the miserable Jaguars and watched their playoff hopes vanish.

 

“I think the worst thing you can do is have a mistake and try to keep living with it going forward,” Colts owner Jim Irsay told the Indianapolis Star. “For us, it was something we had to move away from as a franchise. It was very obvious.

“The fit just wasn’t right,” Irsay added.

Washington, desperately in need of a QB, came calling.

Wentz arrived at the team’s facility accompanied by his wife and daughters — Hadley, now 2½, and Hudson, now 10 months. Rivera made it clear Wentz was “wanted” and not just the latest quarterback Washington settled for. The Commanders agreed to take on his full salary and give up premium picks, they said, because they felt Wentz was the right fit — for their scheme, for their locker room, for their future.

 

“I can tell you we really kind of looked under every rock in that situation and evaluated every possibility of a guy who even might move,” General Manager Martin Mayhew said. “So we did our due diligence, and Carson was the guy that we had consensus on.”

Six months later and one a week ahead of their season opener — against the Jaguars, no less — Commanders coaches and players continue to preach the same message about Wentz, often painting the portrait of a leader and a player on the comeback trail.

“You look at the last two seasons, playing eight quarterbacks over two seasons, he has stabilized that position for us,” Mayhew said. “And we're excited about what he brings to the table in terms of his physical talent and also what he brings to the table as a person, as a leader.”

 

Fitting in with the Commanders

Since Rivera was hired as both the coach and the unofficial fixer for Washington, he has rebuilt a roster tailored to his vision. Rivera had worked with former coordinator Norv Turner in Carolina to implement his version of the Air Coryell offense, and he hired Turner’s son, Scott, to bring his version to Washington.

 

But the offense has yet to click because it has yet to feature an experienced QB with the arm strength to stretch the field and the size to see over the rush.

Wentz, on paper, fits the bill. Rivera and Scott Turner both cited his play in 2017 and in stretches of 2021 as reasons for optimism, and they’ve both lauded his improvement in the offseason. Turner has tailored his approach to better fit Wentz by moving from the booth to the sideline on game days to allow for more direct communication.

Wentz, 29, believes the comfort he felt in his first meeting with Rivera and Turner has further solidified.

“I’ve been in two different playbooks, but they were very similar. Philosophies were very similar,” Wentz said. “This one being a little different, it’s actually helped me grow in my understanding of the game because there is more than one way to do things, and whether we always agree on every nugget or not, it’s helped us both grow, I think.”

 

During organized team activities in the spring and the start of camp this summer, Wentz’s play appeared erratic. The rhythm had yet to set in, and his connection with top wide receiver Terry McLaurin especially needed work. Because of McLaurin’s contract holdout, the two had thrown together before camp for only a couple days during an offseason workout in California. By the end of the preseason, the operation appeared natural.

“I think he’s going to continue to give us chances to make plays down the field,” McLaurin said. “He gives us a chance to really just play a little bit of backyard football, which is personally what I like about him.”

Commanders players say they’ve noticed Wentz making a concerted effort off the field in building a rapport with teammates, an area where he took significant criticism in the past.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/09/04/carson-wentz-commanders-jaguars/

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

In Carson Wentz, Commanders have confidence they’ve found the one

I literally had to read that twice, and slap myself to see it was written by Nicki from the Post.  There wasn't one barb or jab.  At least in what you quoted.  

 

I am literally lying on the floor after having fallen over with shock.  

[NoCalMike]

The question for me is how good does Wentz have to be to remain here on some kind of extension if the current coaching staff also believe Howell has the tools to be a starter. Basically how good does good have to be to invest future money into Wentz.  It isn't unheard of that teams will move on from a good QB if they think they are witnessing the beginnings of a great one right behind them.  

 

Also, I don't agree that a new coach would necessarily discard Howell just because he wasn't their pick.  They might still want to bring in other QB's to compete, but Howell has all the attributes of what you want in a modern day QB, it remains to be seen if he puts it all together against the pros, but the foundation seems to be there.  If he ended up a franchise QB for another team before even starting games here?  It would be an absolute blunder.

Edited September 4, 2022 by NoCalMike

[Skinsinparadise]

1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I literally had to read that twice, and slap myself to see it was written by Nicki from the Post.  There wasn't one barb or jab.  At least in what you quoted.  

 

I am literally lying on the floor after having fallen over with shock.  

 

She's on an odd ride about the team.  She's gone from being "meh" to Wentz to warming up to him.  But she's the most pessmistic among the locals as I recall about the team  -- predicting 7-10. 

[Zim489]

On 9/2/2022 at 7:09 PM, wit33 said:

Riveras not going anywhere. Unless he retires. Extension is 90% likely within 9 months

How can you extend him if he possibly has 3 straight losing seasons with really no future. 

1 hour ago, NoCalMike said:

Also, I don't agree that a new coach would necessarily discard Howell just because he wasn't their pick.

HCs pick their own QBs. A new coach isnt signing up their choice to an undersized 5th rounder. 

[wit33]

1 minute ago, Zim489 said:

How can you extend him if he possibly has 3 straight losing seasons with really no future. 

Sure, must have a competitive season (around .500) to get an extension. His value extends way beyond wins and losses for this current version of the franchise. His next contract will be more traditional in terms of win/loss expectations, IMO. Right or wrong, he’s getting a pass from Snyder this go round. 

It must pan out, but this from my fan view is the strongest roster in a long while. Encouraging to know Rivera feels confident. 

[Zim489]

1 hour ago, wit33 said:

Sure, must have a competitive season (around .500) to get an extension. His value extends way beyond wins and losses for this current version of the franchise. His next contract will be more traditional in terms of win/loss expectations, IMO. Right or wrong, he’s getting a pass from Snyder this go round. 

It must pan out, but this from my fan view is the strongest roster in a long while. Encouraging to know Rivera feels confident. 

That might matter to some but at the end of the day WL is what most fans care about. 

[Skinsinparadise]

I know I was complaining when we made the playoffs in season 1.  What Washington fan wasn't?  Haskins (RIP) was 1-5 that season.  They rallied toward the end of the season with improved QB play.  And they won the division but yuck.

 

Last season they lost their starting QB in game 1 (but what team loses a beat when they lose their starting QB for the whole season, its no biggie at all) yet they were poised for a wildcard spot after the win against the Raiders.  But then COVID and injuries tanked the season - unforgiveable though.

 

As we can tell on this site, most fans want Ron gone.   😉

 

Edited September 5, 2022 by Skinsinparadise

[evmiii]

When it’s all said and done, if we lose more than we win I don’t believe Carson Wentz will to blame.  We will live and die based on our defense.  I will be extremely surprised if Wentz isnt in the top 10 QBs and he doesn’t sign a new deal in Washington.  That can be true and we still not win because of the defense.  If the defense steps up, Wentz will do enough for us to be ok.

[philibusters]

On 9/4/2022 at 6:05 PM, Skinsinparadise said:

 

She's on an odd ride about the team.  She's gone from being "meh" to Wentz to warming up to him.  But she's the most pessmistic among the locals as I recall about the team  -- predicting 7-10. 

 

Beat reporters really hate being viewed as homers and I think that sometimes makes them really grounded.  Given that we won 7 games the past two  years, her prediction is certainly grounded.   Last year we were probably closer to 6 wins than 8 given that we were 5-4 in close games (one score games).  That said, given the schedule is about one game easier (I think slightly less but close) this year, 8-9 is also a pretty grounded pick.  

 

For what its worth I went with 9-8.  I think the main difference is the upgrade in QB play.  I like this team.  I think its a balanced team with a decent offense and decent defense.  I am just not convinced either unit is top 10 and good enough to carry the other unit.

[Skinsinparadise]

1 hour ago, philibusters said:

 

Beat reporters really hate being viewed as homers and I think that sometimes makes them really grounded.  Given that we won 7 games the past two  years, her prediction is certainly grounded.   Last year we were probably closer to 6 wins than 8 given that we were 5-4 in close games (one score games).  That said, given the schedule is about one game easier (I think slightly less but close) this year, 8-9 is also a pretty grounded pick.  

 

For what its worth I went with 9-8.  I think the main difference is the upgrade in QB play.  I like this team.  I think its a balanced team with a decent offense and decent defense.  I am just not convinced either unit is top 10 and good enough to carry the other unit.

 

They are still higher on the team than most of the national media who expect us to be bad.

 

Here is the Athletic staff's take

 

 

[KDawg]

On 9/4/2022 at 6:22 PM, Zim489 said:

How can you extend him if he possibly has 3 straight losing seasons with really no future. 

HCs pick their own QBs. A new coach isnt signing up their choice to an undersized 5th rounder. 

Saving an absolute embarrassment of a season... Rivera will be back and likely extended. Unless he opts to move to the FO and help spearhead the search for a new HC. Which I think is more likely than him getting canned.