Commander Chaaarmnder Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Borgold said: So, I'm not sure I buy this coordination issue as an excuse. It still smells like an excuse to me. Additionally, if coordination and wind were such a huge factor why did the Pats rookie kicker make all his field goal attempts (he did miss a PAT). My bet is that the Pats rookie kicker adjusted to the snapper and holder, not the other way around as Hopkins is experiencing. Just a thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 I got confidence Nate The Great Kaczor will get this sorted out. That's his job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Dan T. said: The article doesn't explain it, though it does acknowledge it. And it notes that, after rough going through Week 11, he righted the ship and hit 14 of 15, including playoffs, to the end the season. Sundberg was also battling injuries last season, so maybe they didn’t get synced up fully until week 12. Still would have had another kicker in camp though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyJ Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 It could be that it's all about it being Cheeseman's fault for snapping the ball faster. Or it could be that Dustin is "adjusting" like Colt McCoy was turning his arm into Big Bertha by "throwing harder". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 8 hours ago, Cooleyfan1993 said: edit: triceps tendon was the injury that he got surgery on He tore his tri. Ron didn't think he'd be back 100% for this season & Cheeseman impressed him during combine/zoom talks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evmiii Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Ron is all about competition; why is he unwilling to bring in competition at kicker? Is Hopkins that fragile? If this goes ugly it on Ron. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 On 8/17/2021 at 1:15 PM, Xameil said: Hmmm..too many pitchforks, and not enough torches...they need to coordinate better. Honestly we don't have the roster to run a heavy torch offense anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 On 8/17/2021 at 1:15 PM, Xameil said: Hmmm..too many pitchforks, and not enough torches...they need to coordinate better. They're saving the pitchforks for Barber, the next time he has a preseason run for less than 4 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franklin60 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 In case anyone is interested. I'm a stats geek who maintains a database of all field goal attempts, along with the probability numbers of each and every distance. For example a 50 yard field goal is made about 62% of the time. A 55 yarder is right at 50%. A 40 yarder is about 80%. Last year there were 34 kickers who attempted at least ten field goals. Of those 34, Hopkins ranked 24th in what I would classify as expectancy of kick percentage. He attempted 34 kicks (excluding his attempt in the playoffs) and made 27. Based on the distances of each kick, the expected value was about 26.23. So he was plus .77. (For the sake of clarity, these expectation numbers are based on the NFL kicking efficiency back in 2000. Kickers have gotten better across the board, so most kickers these days end up on the "plus" side.) Three times .77 is about 2.3, so basically Hopkins earned the team a little more than two points above what would have been expected throughout the course of the season. If you divide the 2.3 by the number of attempts (34), you get about .068, which as I said earlier comes in 24th. With the exception of 2018 (he had a good year), Hopkins usually ranks between 15th and 25th. Kinda average. Not horrible but never among the truly good ones either. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, bowhunter said: Honestly we don't have the roster to run a heavy torch offense anymore. You might be right...we'll know more soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo'sRangers Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Franklin60 said: In case anyone is interested. I'm a stats geek who maintains a database of all field goal attempts, along with the probability numbers of each and every distance. For example a 50 yard field goal is made about 62% of the time. A 55 yarder is right at 50%. A 40 yarder is about 80%. Last year there were 34 kickers who attempted at least ten field goals. Of those 34, Hopkins ranked 24th in what I would classify as expectancy of kick percentage. He attempted 34 kicks (excluding his attempt in the playoffs) and made 27. Based on the distances of each kick, the expected value was about 26.23. So he was plus .77. (For the sake of clarity, these expectation numbers are based on the NFL kicking efficiency back in 2000. Kickers have gotten better across the board, so most kickers these days end up on the "plus" side.) Three times .77 is about 2.3, so basically Hopkins earned the team a little more than two points above what would have been expected throughout the course of the season. If you divide the 2.3 by the number of attempts (34), you get about .068, which as I said earlier comes in 24th. With the exception of 2018 (he had a good year), Hopkins usually ranks between 15th and 25th. Kinda average. Not horrible but never among the truly good ones either. I can buy this, but the fact that he is average is just another argument that he should face challengers. I don't even mind if the tie goes to Hopkins, but he should be outdueling someone because he isn't at that level (like Tress Way) where it doesn't make sense to bring in another leg. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo'sRangers Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Borgold said: I can buy this, but the fact that he is average is just another argument that he should face challengers. I don't even mind if the tie goes to Hopkins, but he should be outdueling someone because he isn't at that level (like Tress Way) where it doesn't make sense to bring in another leg. We must be cognizant of the delicate balance and psychological aspects of a kicker. I wish there was a Dick Butkus available as a kicker. That would rock! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander -JB- Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 The guy was ranked 24th in FG%. Find another kicker. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) I don't think you can fire Hopkins. You have to release him. And really, you know what happens every time we release a kicker. He seems to go to a few other teams, all rivals, and kick GWFG's against us, from all of them Edited August 19, 2021 by Malapropismic Depository Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SB17 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Watching the New England-Philadelphia game at the moment. By the end of the 1st quarter, New England’s kicker (Nordin) had missed a field goal and a PAT. This was the guy who a lot in last week’s game day thread were saying Washington should sign when the Patriots’ regular kicker returns. Be careful what you ask for!! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander -JB- Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 10 hours ago, SB17 said: Watching the New England-Philadelphia game at the moment. By the end of the 1st quarter, New England’s kicker (Nordin) had missed a field goal and a PAT. This was the guy who a lot in last week’s game day thread were saying Washington should sign when the Patriots’ regular kicker returns. Be careful what you ask for!! One way the WFT can become an elite team is to couple an elite defense who forces turnovers and shuts the run game down & to pair that with an effective offense who can pound the rock and also a special teams punter who can put your defense is tremendous field position plus luck into a FG kicker who can bang about 90% of his kicks. Hopkins ain’t that guy! Why not take a shot in the dark in finding a legit kicker? Like Graham Gano. D’OH! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 23 hours ago, -JB- said: Why not take a shot in the dark in finding a legit kicker? Like Graham Gano. D’OH! HEY!!! That's usually my line..damnit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Hopkins is probably the best pitcher in nfl history. He's got a nasty curveball, good screwball, occasional knuckle ball. He knows when to waste pitches and nobody paints the corners better than Ole dusty. Unfortunately he was just trained in the wrong sport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Nonsense Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Hopkins didn’t miss a kick, but his kicks still didn’t look good. The Bengals kickers kicks were right down the middle while Hopkins were still pushing his. He’s going to cost us a few games this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB17 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 On 8/20/2021 at 4:52 AM, -JB- said: One way the WFT can become an elite team is to couple an elite defense who forces turnovers and shuts the run game down & to pair that with an effective offense who can pound the rock and also a special teams punter who can put your defense is tremendous field position plus luck into a FG kicker who can bang about 90% of his kicks. Hopkins ain’t that guy! Why not take a shot in the dark in finding a legit kicker? Like Graham Gano. D’OH! Not disagreeing at all that we could use a better kicker. Was trying to say that I don’t think Nordin is that player (as some in last week’s game day thread were suggesting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 9 hours ago, redskinss said: Hopkins is probably the best pitcher in nfl history. He's got a nasty curveball, good screwball, occasional knuckle ball. He knows when to waste pitches and nobody paints the corners better than Ole dusty. Unfortunately he was just trained in the wrong sport. Maybe soccer would have been just as good a fit, as baseball would have been for him. Sometimes you want to slice a curve around defenders to make a goal I don't claim to be a soccer expert by any means, so this is a loose assumption 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) That 53 yarder was just awful... Hell, I thought it was blocked at first. I'm sticking with the "Slopkins" moniker until proven otherwise Edited August 29, 2021 by bowhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 FIRE THE KICKER ...no, I didn't read the first post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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