2021 NFL Draft Day Thread

[Skinsinparadise]

 

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WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM

R1 (19): LB Jamin Davis, Kentucky
R2 (51): OT Samuel Cosmi, Texas
R3 (74): CB Benjamin St-Juste, Minnesota
R3 (82): WR Dyami Brown, North Carolina
R4 (124): TE John Bates, Boise State
R4 (163): S Darrick Forrest, Cincinnati
R6 (225): LS Camaron Cheeseman, Michigan
R7 (240): EDGE William Bradley-King, Baylor
R7 (246): EDGE Shaka Toney, Penn State
R7 (258): WR Dax Milne, BYU

Day 1: Washington definitely had a need at linebacker, but Jamin Davis comes with significant projection. He ranks No. 41 on PFF’s final Big Board but was impressive in his first season as a starter. On top of that, his workout numbers were phenomenal, and he flashed real talent in coverage, which has become the single most important trait in today’s NFL. Linebacker is a tough position to play at the next level, and Davis has the tools to get it done.

Day 2: Cosmi is easily one of the most athletic offensive tackles in this class. That athleticism, along with his size, is always going to interest teams. Cosmi also earned pass-blocking grades of at least 82.0 in three consecutive seasons as a starter at Texas. There are some things he’ll have to clean up with his technique in the NFL, but there is a lot to like with his profile coming out of college. He should compete with several in-house options for the starting left tackle job in Washington.

St-Juste brings a rare combination of length and change-of-direction ability at cornerback. The Minnesota cornerback is listed at 6-foot-3 with over an 80-inch wingspan, and his three-cone and short shuttle times both ranked in the 90th percentile or better at the position. You won’t find many big cornerbacks who can move like that. St-Juste just isn’t all that experienced (420 career coverage snaps) despite turning 24 years old in September. 

Ranked 45th on the PFF Big Board, Brown falls to 82 overall. Brown wasn’t asked to fill a lot of roles at North Carolina, as he played left wide receiver almost every snap, but he’s a great route runner and you can project that onto the more advanced route tree he will have to run at the next level. He fills out the Washington receiving corps nicely.

Day 3: Darrick Forrest’s athletic profile is certainly alluring — he’s fast and explosive, as his 39-inch vertical and 132-inch broad jump can attest. He was a consistent performer in his time at UC with PFF grades of 73.3, 73.4 and 76.1 in his three years playing in a major role.

Draft Grade: A-

 

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-grades-all-32-teams

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[Burgold]

Would someone be up for starting a UDFA thread? It might be easier to track the signings that way. I'd do it, but I'm signing off shortly and won't be back 'til the morning.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[KDawg]

43 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

 

@KDawg you would know better than anyone here, can Shane B unseat Mahomes?

Yes. When Mahomes goes to sit down he can pull the chair out from behind him.

[Koolblue13]

I really like this team and how it's being built. This was a foundation draft and we needed that. No injured long shots, most very high upside guys and some physical freaks. 

Something to note. We obviously aren't bringing Kerrigan back and I wonder if he wasn't a culture fit last year. Also, not taking any shot at an interior Dlineman makes me think Allen and Payne will be staying for a while, which I love.

[JoggingGod]

This was a bad draft class overall. Prob would give it a C-/D+. Not being aggressive for Fields is a fatal mistake, Jamin is a poor pick at 19, the St Juste and Bates picks made no sense with way better talent available, and they traded a future 5 for a long snapper. But what saved it from being a complete failure was getting an intriguing OT prospect and stealing Dyami Brown.

 

You should be very worried about our new front office. They don’t know how to identify value when there isn’t an obvious pick and they don’t believe in modern football philosophy or analytics. Plus we’re screwed at QB if we don’t finish with a top 10 pick next year.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

18 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Uh, helloooo… He says that like our culture isn’t already damn good.

[seantaylor=god]

3 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

This was a bad draft class overall...

 they don’t believe in modern football philosophy or analytics. Plus we’re screwed at QB if we don’t finish with a top 10 pick next year.

I’m not going to argue with your opinion but this part is just incorrect. They very clearly had a modern football philosophy- go after players with outstanding athletic traits (see the RAS ratings). How is that not a modern football philosophy? Do you think they should have put more value on college production? Our players for the most part had rave reviews from PFF based on college production. What are you talking about? It seems like you’re upset because we picked players that mock drafters didn’t rate highly. How is that a modern football philosophy?

[skinsfan4128]

6 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

This was a bad draft class overall. Prob would give it a C-/D+. Not being aggressive for Fields is a fatal mistake, Jamin is a poor pick at 19, the St Juste and Bates picks made no sense with way better talent available, and they traded a future 5 for a long snapper. But what saved it from being a complete failure was getting an intriguing OT prospect and stealing Dyami Brown.

 

You should be very worried about our new front office. They don’t know how to identify value when there isn’t an obvious pick and they don’t believe in modern football philosophy or analytics. Plus we’re screwed at QB if we don’t finish with a top 10 pick next year.

Tell us how you really feel. 🙄

Very solid draft. Trading for Fields (and we certainly don't know how he'll play out at this level) was not worth what Chicago gave up to get him. 

You're entitled to your opinion,  of course, even if you're wrong. 🤣

HTTR 

[CommandB11]

Just now, seantaylor=god said:

I’m not going to argue with your opinion but this part is just incorrect. They very clearly had a modern football philosophy- go after players with outstanding athletic traits (see the RAS ratings). How is that not a modern football philosophy? Do you think they should have put more value on college production? Our players for the most part had rave reviews from PFF based on college production. What are you talking about? It seems like you’re upset because we picked players that mock drafters didn’t rate highly. How is that a modern football philosophy?

Its a modern fan philosophy.... just wrong with no idea how badly they are clueless to all things football.

[JoggingGod]

1 minute ago, seantaylor=god said:

I’m not going to argue with your opinion but this part is just incorrect. They very clearly had a modern football philosophy- go after players with outstanding athletic traits (see the RAS ratings). How is that not a modern football philosophy? Do you think they should have put more value on college production? Our players for the most part had rave reviews from PFF based on college production. What are you talking about? It seems like you’re upset because we picked players that mock drafters didn’t rate highly. How is that a modern football philosophy?

You don’t take an off ball LB in round 1 unless they are a Devin White/Micah Parsons type talent. You don’t take an unathletic CB in round 3. You don’t take a blocking TE in round 4. You don’t trade up for a LS. You don’t go with Ryan Fitzpatrick and scrubs as your QB room. You don’t pay a guard $18 million guaranteed in a year:

[The Consigliere]

6 hours ago, PartyPosse said:

When you're running 8 yards that .2 of a second is literally nothing.

If you look up what correlates most closely w/pass catching production w/TE’s it’s athleticism. Then again, he was clearly drafted as a blocker, period, which again was a waste this early in the draft. It’s bad process. I’m not pissed they didn’t take my guy, I had no guy, was watching my 4 year old so I couldn’t keep up w/who was available and who was gone. In the same way that Cosmi or Brown represented great value, this and that long snapper represented poor value. Simple as that.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

11 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

This was a bad draft class overall. Prob would give it a C-/D+. Not being aggressive for Fields is a fatal mistake, Jamin is a poor pick at 19, the St Juste and Bates picks made no sense with way better talent available, and they traded a future 5 for a long snapper. But what saved it from being a complete failure was getting an intriguing OT prospect and stealing Dyami Brown.

 

You should be very worried about our new front office. They don’t know how to identify value when there isn’t an obvious pick and they don’t believe in modern football philosophy or analytics. Plus we’re screwed at QB if we don’t finish with a top 10 pick next year.

Yeah, but what about Cheeseman?

[bearrock]

As critical as I've been about not moving up for Fields this year, if evaluating the plan on building a foundation of a winner to add that franchise QB later on, this draft is a homerun in my view.  When execs talk about winning by building that 6-35 guys on the roster, Rivera and Co's approach is probably what they have in mind.  Fantastic draft in the meat and potatoes kind of way.

[CommandB11]

1 minute ago, JoggingGod said:

You don’t take an off ball LB in round 1 unless they are a Devin White/Micah Parsons type talent. You don’t take an unathletic CB in round 3. You don’t take a blocking TE in round 4. You don’t trade up for a LS. You don’t go with Ryan Fitzpatrick and scrubs as your QB room. You don’t pay a guard $18 million guaranteed in a year:

As I said... clueless to all things football......

[bh32]

9 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

This was a bad draft class overall. Prob would give it a C-/D+. Not being aggressive for Fields is a fatal mistake, Jamin is a poor pick at 19, the St Juste and Bates picks made no sense with way better talent available, and they traded a future 5 for a long snapper. But what saved it from being a complete failure was getting an intriguing OT prospect and stealing Dyami Brown.

 

You should be very worried about our new front office. They don’t know how to identify value when there isn’t an obvious pick and they don’t believe in modern football philosophy or analytics. Plus we’re screwed at QB if we don’t finish with a top 10 pick next year.

This team needs to build the roster more before giving up so much draft capital for a QB that probably won't amount to anything..

[RWJ]

36 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM

R1 (19): LB Jamin Davis, Kentucky
R2 (51): OT Samuel Cosmi, Texas
R3 (74): CB Benjamin St-Juste, Minnesota
R3 (82): WR Dyami Brown, North Carolina
R4 (124): TE John Bates, Boise State
R4 (163): S Darrick Forrest, Cincinnati
R6 (225): LS Camaron Cheeseman, Michigan
R7 (240): EDGE William Bradley-King, Baylor
R7 (246): EDGE Shaka Toney, Penn State
R7 (258): WR Dax Milne, BYU

Day 1: Washington definitely had a need at linebacker, but Jamin Davis comes with significant projection. He ranks No. 41 on PFF’s final Big Board but was impressive in his first season as a starter. On top of that, his workout numbers were phenomenal, and he flashed real talent in coverage, which has become the single most important trait in today’s NFL. Linebacker is a tough position to play at the next level, and Davis has the tools to get it done.

Day 2: Cosmi is easily one of the most athletic offensive tackles in this class. That athleticism, along with his size, is always going to interest teams. Cosmi also earned pass-blocking grades of at least 82.0 in three consecutive seasons as a starter at Texas. There are some things he’ll have to clean up with his technique in the NFL, but there is a lot to like with his profile coming out of college. He should compete with several in-house options for the starting left tackle job in Washington.

St-Juste brings a rare combination of length and change-of-direction ability at cornerback. The Minnesota cornerback is listed at 6-foot-3 with over an 80-inch wingspan, and his three-cone and short shuttle times both ranked in the 90th percentile or better at the position. You won’t find many big cornerbacks who can move like that. St-Juste just isn’t all that experienced (420 career coverage snaps) despite turning 24 years old in September. 

Ranked 45th on the PFF Big Board, Brown falls to 82 overall. Brown wasn’t asked to fill a lot of roles at North Carolina, as he played left wide receiver almost every snap, but he’s a great route runner and you can project that onto the more advanced route tree he will have to run at the next level. He fills out the Washington receiving corps nicely.

Day 3: Darrick Forrest’s athletic profile is certainly alluring — he’s fast and explosive, as his 39-inch vertical and 132-inch broad jump can attest. He was a consistent performer in his time at UC with PFF grades of 73.3, 73.4 and 76.1 in his three years playing in a major role.

Draft Grade: A-

 

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-grades-all-32-teams

Back home.  Patterson makes up some for no Hill or Jefferson.  Just starting to get caught up on the 7th round picks.  Missed all of them.  

[bh32]

4 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

You don’t take an off ball LB in round 1 unless they are a Devin White/Micah Parsons type talent. You don’t take an unathletic CB in round 3. You don’t take a blocking TE in round 4. You don’t trade up for a LS. You don’t go with Ryan Fitzpatrick and scrubs as your QB room. You don’t pay a guard $18 million guaranteed in a year:

Micah Parsons hasn't even proven that he can cover..Plus the guy has a lot of red flags

[seantaylor=god]

Just now, JoggingGod said:

You don’t take an off ball LB in round 1 unless they are a Devin White/Micah Parsons type talent.

Jamin Davis is as athletic as Micah Parsons and isn’t a future team cancer.

Just now, JoggingGod said:

 

You don’t take an unathletic CB in round 3.

You don’t take a blocking TE in round 4. You don’t trade up for a LS. You don’t go with Ryan Fitzpatrick and scrubs as your QB room. You don’t pay a guard $18 million guaranteed in a year:

BSJ wasn’t my favorite pick. We will see.

 

It’s very difficult to find blocking TEs who also have excellent hands and functional athleticism that can block in line. This was a bad TE class and we desperately need a Y TE, Samis Reyes is a developmental move TE. We probably sign an UDFA to compete with him also. 
 

We needed a LS. It’s the freaking 6th-7th round!

 

Ryan Fitz is fine. We got screwed by Chicago and NYG. I also wanted Fields but we didn’t trade up to 6. Maybe they wanted 3 first rounders. Is that a smart play?

 

Finally. Something we can agree on. Scherff move was dumb. Big mistake. It is what it is.

[JoggingGod]

6 minutes ago, bearrock said:

As critical as I've been about not moving up for Fields this year, if evaluating the plan on building a foundation of a winner to add that franchise QB later on, this draft is a homerun in my view.  When execs talk about winning by building that 6-35 guys on the roster, Rivera and Co's approach is probably what they have in mind.  Fantastic draft in the meat and potatoes kind of way.

They have no chance at taking that QB later. There are going to be a ton of QB needy teams picking ahead of us, PLUS 5 firsts rounders between the Giants and Eagles to block us. We have this year and then our window is shut. But that’s what Ron fanboys are cheering on.

[757SeanTaylor21]

14 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

You don’t take an off ball LB in round 1 unless they are a Devin White/Micah Parsons type talent. You don’t take an unathletic CB in round 3. You don’t take a blocking TE in round 4. You don’t trade up for a LS. You don’t go with Ryan Fitzpatrick and scrubs as your QB room. You don’t pay a guard $18 million guaranteed in a year:

Tell us more about your madden strategy 

[bh32]

2 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

They have no chance at taking that QB later. There are going to be a ton of QB needy teams picking ahead of us, PLUS 5 firsts rounders between the Giants and Eagles to block us. We have this year and then our window is shut. But that’s what Ron fanboys are cheering on.

 

9 minutes ago, JoggingGod said:

They have no chance at taking that QB later. There are going to be a ton of QB needy teams picking ahead of us, PLUS 5 firsts rounders between the Giants and Eagles to block us. We have this year and then our window is shut. But that’s what Ron fanboys are cheering on.

So there is only gonna be one QB available when its the right time to draft a QB?

[RandyHolt]

I wonder if X years from now blocking TEs are fullbacked aka largely a thing of the past.  It seems like a spare OL could largely serve the famed Annie Sprinkle role.  And presumed be a better blocker than the TE, which is all they do 90% of the time. Use a spare OL for more than backup duty and free up a spot on the game day roster. Just change a Tom Compton's number haha.  I bet his receiving stats rival Sprinkles.