2022 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[Forever A Redskin]

6 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

 

Tolbert is 12

Pierce is 14

Austin is probably 16ish

 

Burks is probably moving back soon. I don't know what's up with him though so I'm not sure what to do with him either way. 

 

Drake London kind of reminds me of Pittman. Same school, roughly the same side. Pittman ran in the low 4.5s and London didn't run (in case anyone here was unaware). Both with a ton of contested catch ability and catch radius.

 

I went back and watched Pittman and I liked him but man, watching him again I definitely undervalued him. 

 

Happy to see you have Thornton highly ranked. Like him a lot.

 

Also, would you rank Drake London over Pittman or vice versa?

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[Forever A Redskin]

Just now, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

All the more reason we need more Day 2 and 3 picks. People don't give our FO enough credit for our talent evaluation the past few years. Both in the draft and free agency.

 

 

[KDawg]

1 minute ago, Forever A Redskin said:

 

Happy to see you have Thornton highly ranked. Like him a lot.

 

Also, would you rank Drake London over Pittman or vice versa?

I think London is more physical (though Pittman was real physical).

 

I had Pittman too low in my rankings. I don't remember where but I think he was 8th or so. Looking back, in HIS class, I probably would have put him 4th or so with hindsight. 

 

In his class I would have had Lamb, Jeudy ahead of him and London for sure. Than London/Pittman toss up. Justin Jefferson I'm not sure I saw coming so he may not have been there.

 

Best answer to this is: Toss up

[Skinsinparadise]

Who's the best player who can't quite scratch the Big Board? (via @JsSauers)

 

Kiper: I'm a bigger fan of Colorado State tight end Trey McBride than many NFL teams. Tight ends tend to struggle as rookies, but he is already advanced as a pass-catcher and route runner, and he can move around the formation to get catches.

McBride is probably going to go in Round 2, but if I was running the front office for the Bucs (No. 27) or Bengals (No. 31), I'd think long and hard about taking him in Round 1.

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What is the highest you could see WR Christian Watson going? (via @GeskeJeremy)

McShay: I'd say the Packers at No. 22 is probably the highest we could see the North Dakota burner taken. The top tier of receivers -- Garrett Wilson (Ohio State), Drake London (USC), Jameson Williams (Alabama) and Chris Olave (Ohio State) -- could be completely off the board in the top 20, and if that happens, we could see a second run on receivers starting with the Packers. Other teams to watch include the Patriots, Cardinals, Bills, Titans and Chiefs (perhaps via a trade-up).

 

Watson isn't guaranteed to go in the first round, though. He has outstanding speed, size and length, and he shows solid body control on tape, but he is still developing. Watson is currently No. 45 on my board with an 85 grade. He will join Treylon Burks (Arkansas), Jahan Dotson (Penn State), Skyy Moore (Western Michigan), Pickens (Georgia) and others in the second tier of receivers in this class.

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Which team outside the top 10 is most likely to trade into it and where? (via @tybrennan60)

Kiper: Speaking of Green Bay, I really think that's the team to watch here, moving up for a wide receiver. Think about it: The Packers need a playmaker who could make an early impact for Aaron Rodgers. If they move into the top 10, they could get the top wideout in the class. Maybe it's Wilson or London, or maybe they feel good about the medical reports for Williams, who tore his ACL in January but still could be the No. 1 receiver off the board.

The spots that make sense are the Panthers at No. 6, the Giants at No. 7 and the Falcons at No. 8. Carolina doesn't have any Day 2 picks, which means it could add Green Bay's two first-rounders (Nos. 22 and 28) along with at least a second-rounder. New York already picks at No. 5 and could try to add more future capital (and those picks at 22 and 28). Atlanta is in the beginning of a roster rebuild, so it should want to trade down to get more picks.

 

 

What round would you select Carson Strong? (via @BasketballPhil)

Kiper: Strong's biggest issue is how teams view his medical reports. He has had two right knee surgeries since high school, and a team has to be comfortable enough with his long-term outlook to take him. He's purely a pocket passer -- he doesn't have much mobility -- and that limits his ceiling. If he's knee is OK, he could be a quality backup.

There's a drop-off after the top quarterbacks, and Strong is No. 6 on my board. I have a fifth-round grade on him, but he could go a little earlier. Again, the medical reports are extremely important, and only teams have access to those.

 

What surprise player could fall out of Round 1 -- and which one is rising and could get into Round 1? (via @Bigdogz1318)

McShay: Let's start with the guys who could fall. The top two off-ball linebackers jump out to me there. Georgia's Nakobe Dean and Utah's Lloyd both grade out as mid-first-rounders and absolutely deserve to be drafted on Day 1. They are plug-and-play guys who can handle all three downs thanks to their abilities in coverage and as blitzers. But the need might just not be there, and I wouldn't be shocked to see one of them slide to Day 2 -- where a team could land a steal.

As far as risers go, who would be truly shocking? We've seen a lot of names in a lot of first-round mocks, and a bunch of fringe names will get Day 1 consideration. But here are a few guys who could be moderately surprising first-round selections:

• Christian Watson, WR, North Dakota State

• Boye Mafe, OLB, Minnesota

• Kyler Gordon, CB, Washington

• Arnold Ebiketie, DE, Penn State

• Matt Corral, QB, Ole Miss

• Desmond Ridder, QB, Cincinnati

• Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33772843/nfl-draft-2022-mailbag-mel-kiper-todd-mcshay-answer-questions-trades-surprises-deepest-positions-more

[Skinsinparadise]

What's a trade up or down that absolutely should happen in Round 1?

 

Reid: This is an easy one for me, and it's the Chiefs trading up for wide receiver Jameson Williams. With a dozen draft picks in hand -- the most of any team in this draft -- they aren't in a position to fit 12 rookies on their roster. They should spend some of that draft capital, which includes six picks in the first three rounds, to attempt to replace Tyreek Hill. Williams has some of the qualities the former All-Pro receiver brought to the offense.23hDavid Purdum

As for how Kansas City can make it happen? The sweet spot for Williams might be in the top 15. The Chiefs could package a combination of pick Nos. 29, 30, 50, 62, 94 and 103 to get up there. The Eagles (Nos. 15 and 18), Saints (Nos. 16 and 19) and Chargers (No. 17) are the teams they'll need to move ahead.

 

Miller: I've mentioned it before, but keep a close watch on the Giants and offensive tackle Charles Cross (Mississippi State). The buzz connecting these two has only continued to heat up as we near the draft. Cross met privately with the Giants recently -- they own picks Nos. 5 and 7 -- and there is a belief within their front office that he could be the answer at right tackle as a day one starter.

Reid: Travon Walker at No. 1 overall to the Jaguars? We are officially under a week until the first night of the draft, and U.S. sportsbooks have moved up his odds to go first. Six months ago, Walker was barely in the first-round discussion, but after a standout performance at the combine and the words "potential" and "upside" being pinned at the top of his scouting report, teams are buying into the idea of being able to unlock his development.

Jacksonville general manager Trent Baalke, formerly with the 49ers, has been fond of prospects with high ceilings along the defensive line, and he might see shades of Aldon Smith in the former Georgia defensive lineman.

Miller: It might just be a late draft-season smoke screen, but there is a lot of chatter about the Steelers not being sold on quarterbacks other than Pitt's Kenny Pickett in this class. The Steelers famously attended several pro days and had the top quarterbacks on their radar this offseason, but the rumors dominating the text lines this week have Pittsburgh potentially going offensive tackle in Round 1 if the quarterbacks aren't available.

 

Reid: I've been repeatedly told to pay close attention to the Lions with the No. 32 pick next week. That spot has been circled as a trade-up spot for teams looking to take a swing on a quarterback who falls to the back end of the first round. Similar to what we saw with Teddy Bridgewater in 2014 and Lamar Jackson in 2018, a team could look to trade up in order to secure the fifth-year option with a quarterback.

The name I've been told to keep an eye on is Sam Howell (North Carolina). The league is a bit higher on Howell than the media. "[Howell had the] best pro day that I saw during the circuit that we made. He spun the ball really nicely and we liked his tape after a rough start at the beginning," a position coach from a QB-needy team told me this week.

Miller: The entire offseason has been wild with star players being traded, and sources I've spoken to expect the draft to keep the same pace -- with a ton of activity.

One front-office executive I spoke to cautioned that teams hoping to trade back in Round 1 won't see a huge return on investment because there aren't star quarterbacks in this class. Teams trading up for quarterbacks usually pay a premium, including the 49ers and Bears last year. This year, don't expect the asking price to be as high to move into the top 15.

Reid: A strong argument could be made that the Panthers are the most interesting team in this draft. They have the No. 6 pick, but their next selection isn't until the back end of the fourth round (No. 137). Rumors surfaced this week that the franchise might be in favor of adding a veteran quarterback -- such as Baker Mayfield or Jimmy Garoppolo -- over a rookie because of the pressure on coach Matt Rhule to win next season.

 

Reid: One quote shared with me from an NFL area scout about this draft: "Expect the unexpected." Without a consensus top quarterback in this class, there is a lot of mystery surrounding the first night of the event. This is the first time since 2018 we don't know who the No. 1 pick will be or who the first signal-caller could be selected off the board.

Miller: LSU cornerback Derek Stingley Jr. continues to rise the closer we get to the draft. So high, in fact, that he lands in the top five in my upcoming seven-round mock draft (releasing Tuesday morning). Stingley's physical ability is a given, but teams to whom I've spoken reference his interviews as going exceptionally well and his medical reports coming back clean.

While Stingley didn't look himself in three games in 2021, as one source told me: "He can't control an injury. We're bought in that he'll return to his previous form."

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33778536/nfl-draft-2022-buzz-notebook-rumors-favorite-sleepers-updates-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-jameson-williams-charles-cross

8 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I think London is more physical (though Pittman was real physical).

 

I had Pittman too low in my rankings. I don't remember where but I think he was 8th or so. Looking back, in HIS class, I probably would have put him 4th or so with hindsight. 

 

In his class I would have had Lamb, Jeudy ahead of him and London for sure. Than London/Pittman toss up. Justin Jefferson I'm not sure I saw coming so he may not have been there.

 

Best answer to this is: Toss up

 

I don't recall if I did rankings that year.  But I was coming off a high on getting Terry McLaurin right even though he had some vocal opposition by multiple people on the board before that draft.  So I was asked a couple of times by others who would be my Terry like player in that draft.  I picked Pittman.  I don't recall my full take but i do recall part of it was the extra things he did like Terry ala being a really good run blocker, a special teams demon and was known with super high intangibles -- hard worker, leader, good teammate, etc. 

[skinny21]

1 hour ago, Est.1974 said:

So you’ve got some insightful comments on there.

 

Clearly the Ohio Receivers. Then the Georgia front ‘8’ going to the combine. Then also on the TE group, having TE#1 as the all rounder, TE#2 pass catchers and the TE#3 the blocker. At TE do we see a Thomas as #2 and Bates #3 ??

This is a good question.  I think the team sees Logan as an all around guy - that his blocking has improved to the point they think he’s a top TE in the league.

 

I thought his comment about watching guys in 2 minute drills, how they perform against top units, and when their team is well ahead/behind (or however he put it) were interesting for sure.  If I was a big tape guy, that’s what I would focus on (for this team).

[KDawg]

5 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

What's a trade up or down that absolutely should happen in Round 1?

 

Reid: This is an easy one for me, and it's the Chiefs trading up for wide receiver Jameson Williams. With a dozen draft picks in hand -- the most of any team in this draft -- they aren't in a position to fit 12 rookies on their roster. They should spend some of that draft capital, which includes six picks in the first three rounds, to attempt to replace Tyreek Hill. Williams has some of the qualities the former All-Pro receiver brought to the offense.23hDavid Purdum

As for how Kansas City can make it happen? The sweet spot for Williams might be in the top 15. The Chiefs could package a combination of pick Nos. 29, 30, 50, 62, 94 and 103 to get up there. The Eagles (Nos. 15 and 18), Saints (Nos. 16 and 19) and Chargers (No. 17) are the teams they'll need to move ahead.

 

Miller: I've mentioned it before, but keep a close watch on the Giants and offensive tackle Charles Cross (Mississippi State). The buzz connecting these two has only continued to heat up as we near the draft. Cross met privately with the Giants recently -- they own picks Nos. 5 and 7 -- and there is a belief within their front office that he could be the answer at right tackle as a day one starter.

Reid: Travon Walker at No. 1 overall to the Jaguars? We are officially under a week until the first night of the draft, and U.S. sportsbooks have moved up his odds to go first. Six months ago, Walker was barely in the first-round discussion, but after a standout performance at the combine and the words "potential" and "upside" being pinned at the top of his scouting report, teams are buying into the idea of being able to unlock his development.

Jacksonville general manager Trent Baalke, formerly with the 49ers, has been fond of prospects with high ceilings along the defensive line, and he might see shades of Aldon Smith in the former Georgia defensive lineman.

Miller: It might just be a late draft-season smoke screen, but there is a lot of chatter about the Steelers not being sold on quarterbacks other than Pitt's Kenny Pickett in this class. The Steelers famously attended several pro days and had the top quarterbacks on their radar this offseason, but the rumors dominating the text lines this week have Pittsburgh potentially going offensive tackle in Round 1 if the quarterbacks aren't available.

 

Reid: I've been repeatedly told to pay close attention to the Lions with the No. 32 pick next week. That spot has been circled as a trade-up spot for teams looking to take a swing on a quarterback who falls to the back end of the first round. Similar to what we saw with Teddy Bridgewater in 2014 and Lamar Jackson in 2018, a team could look to trade up in order to secure the fifth-year option with a quarterback.

The name I've been told to keep an eye on is Sam Howell (North Carolina). The league is a bit higher on Howell than the media. "[Howell had the] best pro day that I saw during the circuit that we made. He spun the ball really nicely and we liked his tape after a rough start at the beginning," a position coach from a QB-needy team told me this week.

Miller: The entire offseason has been wild with star players being traded, and sources I've spoken to expect the draft to keep the same pace -- with a ton of activity.

One front-office executive I spoke to cautioned that teams hoping to trade back in Round 1 won't see a huge return on investment because there aren't star quarterbacks in this class. Teams trading up for quarterbacks usually pay a premium, including the 49ers and Bears last year. This year, don't expect the asking price to be as high to move into the top 15.

Reid: A strong argument could be made that the Panthers are the most interesting team in this draft. They have the No. 6 pick, but their next selection isn't until the back end of the fourth round (No. 137). Rumors surfaced this week that the franchise might be in favor of adding a veteran quarterback -- such as Baker Mayfield or Jimmy Garoppolo -- over a rookie because of the pressure on coach Matt Rhule to win next season.

 

Reid: One quote shared with me from an NFL area scout about this draft: "Expect the unexpected." Without a consensus top quarterback in this class, there is a lot of mystery surrounding the first night of the event. This is the first time since 2018 we don't know who the No. 1 pick will be or who the first signal-caller could be selected off the board.

Miller: LSU cornerback Derek Stingley Jr. continues to rise the closer we get to the draft. So high, in fact, that he lands in the top five in my upcoming seven-round mock draft (releasing Tuesday morning). Stingley's physical ability is a given, but teams to whom I've spoken reference his interviews as going exceptionally well and his medical reports coming back clean.

While Stingley didn't look himself in three games in 2021, as one source told me: "He can't control an injury. We're bought in that he'll return to his previous form."

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33778536/nfl-draft-2022-buzz-notebook-rumors-favorite-sleepers-updates-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-jameson-williams-charles-cross

 

I don't recall if I did rankings that year.  But I was coming off a high on getting Terry McLaurin right even though he had some vocal opposition by multiple people on the board before that draft.  So I was asked a couple of times by others who would be my Terry like player in that draft.  I picked Pittman.  I don't recall my full take but i do recall part of it was the extra things he did like Terry ala being a really good run blocker, a special teams demon and was known with super high intangibles -- hard worker, leader, good teammate, etc. 

 

Yeah that's the thing. I loved Pittman but I didn't know who to move him up against. He was probably one of my favorite receivers in the draft I just didn't know how to move him up the board. That was a draft that taught me to trust my instincts with these things.

[method man]

7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

What's a trade up or down that absolutely should happen in Round 1?

 

Reid: This is an easy one for me, and it's the Chiefs trading up for wide receiver Jameson Williams. With a dozen draft picks in hand -- the most of any team in this draft -- they aren't in a position to fit 12 rookies on their roster. They should spend some of that draft capital, which includes six picks in the first three rounds, to attempt to replace Tyreek Hill. Williams has some of the qualities the former All-Pro receiver brought to the offense.23hDavid Purdum

As for how Kansas City can make it happen? The sweet spot for Williams might be in the top 15. The Chiefs could package a combination of pick Nos. 29, 30, 50, 62, 94 and 103 to get up there. The Eagles (Nos. 15 and 18), Saints (Nos. 16 and 19) and Chargers (No. 17) are the teams they'll need to move ahead.

 

Miller: I've mentioned it before, but keep a close watch on the Giants and offensive tackle Charles Cross (Mississippi State). The buzz connecting these two has only continued to heat up as we near the draft. Cross met privately with the Giants recently -- they own picks Nos. 5 and 7 -- and there is a belief within their front office that he could be the answer at right tackle as a day one starter.

Reid: Travon Walker at No. 1 overall to the Jaguars? We are officially under a week until the first night of the draft, and U.S. sportsbooks have moved up his odds to go first. Six months ago, Walker was barely in the first-round discussion, but after a standout performance at the combine and the words "potential" and "upside" being pinned at the top of his scouting report, teams are buying into the idea of being able to unlock his development.

Jacksonville general manager Trent Baalke, formerly with the 49ers, has been fond of prospects with high ceilings along the defensive line, and he might see shades of Aldon Smith in the former Georgia defensive lineman.

Miller: It might just be a late draft-season smoke screen, but there is a lot of chatter about the Steelers not being sold on quarterbacks other than Pitt's Kenny Pickett in this class. The Steelers famously attended several pro days and had the top quarterbacks on their radar this offseason, but the rumors dominating the text lines this week have Pittsburgh potentially going offensive tackle in Round 1 if the quarterbacks aren't available.

 

Reid: I've been repeatedly told to pay close attention to the Lions with the No. 32 pick next week. That spot has been circled as a trade-up spot for teams looking to take a swing on a quarterback who falls to the back end of the first round. Similar to what we saw with Teddy Bridgewater in 2014 and Lamar Jackson in 2018, a team could look to trade up in order to secure the fifth-year option with a quarterback.

The name I've been told to keep an eye on is Sam Howell (North Carolina). The league is a bit higher on Howell than the media. "[Howell had the] best pro day that I saw during the circuit that we made. He spun the ball really nicely and we liked his tape after a rough start at the beginning," a position coach from a QB-needy team told me this week.

Miller: The entire offseason has been wild with star players being traded, and sources I've spoken to expect the draft to keep the same pace -- with a ton of activity.

One front-office executive I spoke to cautioned that teams hoping to trade back in Round 1 won't see a huge return on investment because there aren't star quarterbacks in this class. Teams trading up for quarterbacks usually pay a premium, including the 49ers and Bears last year. This year, don't expect the asking price to be as high to move into the top 15.

Reid: A strong argument could be made that the Panthers are the most interesting team in this draft. They have the No. 6 pick, but their next selection isn't until the back end of the fourth round (No. 137). Rumors surfaced this week that the franchise might be in favor of adding a veteran quarterback -- such as Baker Mayfield or Jimmy Garoppolo -- over a rookie because of the pressure on coach Matt Rhule to win next season.

 

Reid: One quote shared with me from an NFL area scout about this draft: "Expect the unexpected." Without a consensus top quarterback in this class, there is a lot of mystery surrounding the first night of the event. This is the first time since 2018 we don't know who the No. 1 pick will be or who the first signal-caller could be selected off the board.

Miller: LSU cornerback Derek Stingley Jr. continues to rise the closer we get to the draft. So high, in fact, that he lands in the top five in my upcoming seven-round mock draft (releasing Tuesday morning). Stingley's physical ability is a given, but teams to whom I've spoken reference his interviews as going exceptionally well and his medical reports coming back clean.

While Stingley didn't look himself in three games in 2021, as one source told me: "He can't control an injury. We're bought in that he'll return to his previous form."

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33778536/nfl-draft-2022-buzz-notebook-rumors-favorite-sleepers-updates-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-jameson-williams-charles-cross

 

#29, #50 and #62 from the Chiefs for #11 would be really tantalizing. I would take Brisker, Sky Moore and Andersen over Kyle Hamilton. Honestly, you could probably trade down from #62 to grab another 4th or 5th. 

[Number 44]

1 hour ago, Est.1974 said:

So you’ve got some insightful comments on there.

 

Clearly the Ohio Receivers. Then the Georgia front ‘8’ going to the combine. Then also on the TE group, having TE#1 as the all rounder, TE#2 pass catchers and the TE#3 the blocker. At TE do we see a Thomas as #2 and Bates #3 ??

I think we already knew that Ron liked the Ohio State receivers.  What I picked up from this interview wasn't that, but rather his "hint" was that he saw one or more DBs that were able to "stick with this guy."  I think he's saying that that there is another team's CB or S that he saw in the Ohio State receiver tapes that impressed him.  Maybe I misheard what he was saying, but that's what it sounded like to me.

[Going Commando]

24 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

Forgot about Booth.  You're right.  Maybe Mcreary is there as well.  Tony Pauline LOVES him.  Says watch the Bama game where he takes out Williams/Metchie.  Doesn't care about the sub-optimal measurables.

 

Yeah I watched those cutups a few days ago and was impressed.  I think Williams got thrown out for a targeting play early in the game, so that's why McCreary ended up on Metchie for the rest of the day.  I noticed Bama's offense really changed at that point, and that's also when I started opening my mind up to Williams more and understanding his value better.

 

I wish Williams hadn't been tossed from that game though because I would have loved to see McCreary on Williams so I could get a better since of Williams's ability to get off the line against press and get clean out of his break.  That would have been such a great test for him because McCreary looks like a professional press corner almost.

 

On the flip side, it was a chance for Metchie to really shine and he did.  And that film kind of makes it plain that if Metchie were on the board at 47 too, then it would be malpractice to pick McCreary over him.  McCreary went the distance with Metchie, but Metchie won by unanimous decision and proved that he is clearly the better player.  As such, 47 feels early for McCreary but maybe not by much.  We could do worse.

[mhd24]

2 minutes ago, method man said:

 

#29, #50 and #62 from the Chiefs for #11 would be really tantalizing. I would take Brisker, Sky Moore and Andersen over Kyle Hamilton. Honestly, you could probably trade down from #62 to grab another 4th or 5th. 

 

 

I don't think KC offers THAT much.  They are better off keeping their 2nd rounders as good cheap players.  My ask would be 29+30+121 for 11.  

[mhd24]

1 minute ago, Going Commando said:

 

Yeah I watched those cutups a few days ago and was impressed.  I think Williams got thrown out for a targeting play early in the game, so that's why McCreary ended up on Metchie for the rest of the day.  I noticed Bama's offense really changed at that point, and that's also when I started opening my mind up to Williams more and understanding his value better.

 

I wish Williams hadn't been tossed from that game though because I would have loved to see McCreary on Williams so I could get a better since of Williams's ability to get off the line against press and get clean out of his break.  That would have been such a great test for him because McCreary looks like a professional press corner almost.

 

On the flip side, it was a chance for Metchie to really shine and he did.  And that film kind of makes it plain that if Metchie were on the board at 47 too, then it would be malpractice to pick McCreary over him.  McCreary went the distance with Metchie, but Metchie won by unanimous decision and proved that he is clearly the better player.  As such, 47 feels early for McCreary but maybe not by much.  We could do worse.

 

Yeah, it feels like Metchie is being undervalued.  It's safe to say that Wilson, London, Olave, J. Williams, and Dotson are assuredly going to go ahead of him.  After that, Burks, Pickens, and Watson probably do.  Are 9 WRs going to go before 47?  I don't think so.  I feel Metchie will be there at 47.  

 

[mistertim]

I'm really not sure what to make of Watson. There's no doubting that he's big and fast but I agree with KDawg that he has a super low floor and super high ceiling. Positives are size, speed, versatility, body control. Negatives are limited route tree, difficulty getting separation vs press, drops, played against inferior competition.

 

If we picked him in the 2nd I think we'd have to realize that he's unlikely to contribute much in his first season. That's not a huge deal if we truly believe his can morph into a great NFL WR, but it sounds a bit like Ron is looking for a guy who can make a difference sooner rather than later.

[Forever A Redskin]

What a Haul this would be.

 

Dax Hill upgrades over McCain.

 

Kenneth Walker and Gibson would be a terror.

 

Leo Chenal MLB day 1 blitzing the A gaps like a beast.

 

Alec Pierce + Terry? Killers.

 

Asamoah lurking like a missile at Buffalo Nickel? Forget about it

 

Edited April 22, 2022 by Forever A Redskin

[KDawg]

5 minutes ago, Forever A Redskin said:

What a Haul this would be.

 

 

 

Not a bad draft. I put the odds of anything like that happening at negative 12,000

13 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

 

Yeah, it feels like Metchie is being undervalued.  It's safe to say that Wilson, London, Olave, J. Williams, and Dotson are assuredly going to go ahead of him.  After that, Burks, Pickens, and Watson probably do.  Are 9 WRs going to go before 47?  I don't think so.  I feel Metchie will be there at 47.  

 

I have Metchie at 11 right now. He's one I am trying to feel out in my own brain. He could make a leap on my list and some of the guys I have over him could drop a bit. Treylon Burks keeps entering my head as a potential fall candidate. 

[RWJ]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Standig just on Sheehan

 

Bet on Drake London will be there at 11.  Seemed to echo Keim about guessing London or Hamilton at 11 will be their top considerations and like Keim guessed they'd go Hamilton.

 

He's sticking to a point he makes a lot which is that they want to help Wentz but he doesn't think they are fixated on WR to do that. 

 

Talked about RB on the table in the draft.  Was asked from Sheehan whether they'd take a RB at 47, he thought maybe, especially if Walker is still there.

 

I was only half listening to this part but if I heard him right, Qb possible later in the draft but that they aren't smitten with the late round types in this draft.  He mentioned as I've speculated the problem with taking Strong in the 4th is that could be a valuable pick to address something else.  

 

 

McBride is my favorite in this class.  He's pretty good.  I am not blown away but i like him.  I am a sucker for an old school, Y-TE, who can also catch. 

After watching Hall and Walker, I really like both but Hall reminds me of Marshall Faulk in a way watching him run.  He is so fast and his spin moves are unique amongst all the other backs and I saw him drag defenders 5-10 yards on one play.  I hope we pick Hall but I'd be happy with Walker too. 

1 hour ago, Ball Security said:

I’m surprised this didn’t get more of a response.  There are some DE prospects past the top 4/5 that are nice.  The 27th pick could give you flexibility to move for more picks if a team wants to move back into the first to get a fifth year on their guy.  
 

I’m hoping for a Sweat comeback.  Watching him lose his brother last year was rough.  But paying all four Dlineman is not going away.

I think Sweat shines this year and Payne is the odd man out.  I think we may find Payne's replacement in Winfrey this year or next year but I expect Payne to be traded instead of Sweat, at least I hope so.  I think it would hurt this team to get rid of it's best DE right now until Young proves himself this year.  

[Koolblue13]

Really should be a different thread for all the asinine mock simulator drafts. 

[seantaylor=god]

7 minutes ago, RWJ said:

I think Sweat shines this year and Payne is the odd man out.  I think we may find Payne's replacement in Winfrey this year or next year but I expect Payne to be traded instead of Sweat, at least I hope so.  I think it would hurt this team to get rid of it's best DE right now until Young proves himself this year.  

I agree. Also, can’t forget that Payne talked such serious **** to Allen, putting his finger in his face, that team leader and good dude Allen felt it necessary to punch him in the face mid-game.

 

Just a wild guess that Payne may not be the good guy locker room type we want to sign long term…

[mistertim]

2 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Really should be a different thread for all the asinine mock simulator drafts. 

 

Yeah some of these mock simulation drafts are the equivalent of "What if we could trade for Mahomes?" in the FA or QB thread.

[RWJ]

2 minutes ago, seantaylor=god said:

I agree. Also, can’t forget that Payne talked such serious **** to Allen, putting his finger in his face, that team leader and good dude Allen felt it necessary to punch him in the face mid-game.

 

Just a wild guess that Payne may not be the good guy locker room type we want to sign long term…

I didn't know about this incident so yes, I would welcome a Winfrey replace for Payne if we could trade Payne.  Payne nets us a mid 2nd round pick via PFF with Chief non the less and maybe a lower round pick too. 

[Warhead36]

1 hour ago, Forever A Redskin said:

 

All the more reason we need more Day 2 and 3 picks. People don't give our FO enough credit for our talent evaluation the past few years. Both in the draft and free agency.

 

 

We're good at getting solid pieces, depth guys, contributors etc. But we don't really find the hidden stars. Our drafting is like the baseball player who walks and gets a bunch of singles, but eventually you gotta hit some home runs. The only one recently has been McLaurin in the 3rd.

[mistertim]

3 minutes ago, seantaylor=god said:

I agree. Also, can’t forget that Payne talked such serious **** to Allen, putting his finger in his face, that team leader and good dude Allen felt it necessary to punch him in the face mid-game.

 

Just a wild guess that Payne may not be the good guy locker room type we want to sign long term…

 

I think this may be a stretch. You're inferring a hell of a lot from one thing that happened during game time when emotions and tempers are high. Having played sports I know how that feels and that **** can happen, even with someone you're good friends with.

 

From what I've read Payne is a generally a good guy, hard worker, good teammate. But I do agree that he's sort of the odd man out. He's a good but not great or elite DT.

[Jericho]

On 4/21/2022 at 8:51 AM, Ball Security said:

I’ve seen a lot of Jack Coan in the seventh round.  I’m not too big on that idea.  I’d like to use our three late picks to try to find someone who can contribute (JSW) with the potential of hitting a homerun (Curl).  We had a trio of late round OLs visit which would be good.

 

I’d also be interested in Josh Blackwell, CB, Duke; D’Marco Jackson, WILL, App St; Jashawn Corbin, RB, FSU; Dequandre White, RB, South Carolina.

 

I tend to agree. Virtually any QB that the team would draft is a wasted pick. Sure, there's the slim possibility they get the next Dak Prescott or whatever. And there's a 97 percent chance they get a backup at best. But the team doesn't need another backup. In fact, it probably prefers keeping only 2 QBs on the final 53. Sure, the team needs at least 3 guys for practice purposes. But just sign a UDFA.

 

Of course, I can't get too worked up over a 7th rounders. Those picks are already complete dart throws.

[Zim489]

21 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

I will say another positive about drafting Hamilton is that it alleviates the need to draft a LB. We can play that 4-2 alignment. That would give us a starting 11 on D that should be on worse than top 10.

Completely disagree. We don't have a single LB that can cover. Period. Thats the need. We get just destroyed between the numbers and hashes in coverage. I dont see Hamilton spending a lot of time directly in the middle of the field 7 yards back