studzmckenzie Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Still another burning question — I know the three Lombardi trophies are securely locked up in Ashburn, but if and when the team nickname change is a done deal, will the team’s records, statistics, and heritage carry over to the new era, or will we be like the Tennessee Titans, starting from scratch and having no references to the Houston Oilers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAskins Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 I think so. Look at the Browns. Moving to a different city might change things but I think just changing the nickname changes nothing. It's just branding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Umm the Titans are the Oilers. Its the same franchise. The Nats even moved and are carrying the records from the Montreal Expos. If they are the same franchise, everything carries over. The browns moved to baltimore and then they gave the browns history back only when the new browns came back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studzmckenzie Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, RVAskins said: I think so. Look at the Browns. Moving to a different city might change things but I think just changing the nickname changes nothing. It's just branding. I hope so. Thanks. 🏈🌭🍺👍🏻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 hours ago, skinfan2k said: Umm the Titans are the Oilers. Its the same franchise. The Nats even moved and are carrying the records from the Montreal Expos. If they are the same franchise, everything carries over. The browns moved to baltimore and then they gave the browns history back only when the new browns came back I always thought that was strange how that worked, and what determines a "new team". Your examples are ones I always thought of, as 2 of the best examples of inconsistencies in how they define a team. Houston Oilers move to new city and with a new name....and it's considered the same team. Cleveland Browns move to a new city...considered a different team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profusion Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said: Houston Oilers move to new city and with a new name....and it's considered the same team. Cleveland Browns move to a new city...considered a different team. Art Modell was going to keep the Browns' name, colors and record in Baltimore, but the league intervened and struck a deal with Cleveland to avoid a lawsuit, as I recall. That was the first and only time a relocation left anything behind, as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hammer Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Another question; are retired numbers back on the market since the name Redskins has been absconded? Will players be allowed to wear numbers 9, 44, 21, etc, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primetime441 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Yeah it definitely should. It's not like we're moving cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, primetime441 said: Yeah it definitely should. It's not like we're moving cities. Exactly, it's the same bloody franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Only if the NFL decides against it like they did when the real Browns moved to Baltimore would they not convey. As far as I can remember, that was the only time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 The reality is, for all intents and purposes, our Lombardis, and all our rich history is gone. The media will never cover those accomplishments again, won't use it in a documentary, or mention it, or anything like that. There may be data on us, but our history will be erased from the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 It probably would be a good thing to move on, the franchise has been leaning on to the past success for far too long over the past 25 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said: The reality is, for all intents and purposes, our Lombardis, and all our rich history is gone. The media will never cover those accomplishments again, won't use it in a documentary, or mention it, or anything like that. There may be data on us, but our history will be erased from the future. Yep, I could see my grandson asking me if the Redwolves have ever won a SB. In a few years, people may start calling as empty trophy room like we used to be able to do to the Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 You change your name from Tom to Jennifer and dye your hair blond, pretty sure when you get back to work Monday they don't take your mop bucket and key ring away, just have to face new jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 But if your name is bakedtater and you change your name to @bakedtater1 you lose your entire post count, and therefore your whole history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 47 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said: But if your name is bakedtater and you change your name to @bakedtater1 you lose your entire post count, and therefore your whole history. Riiiiiight!!..lol..imma dip**** what can I say...I sound like a broken record but I'm very fortunate to be able to have an account here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 57 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said: But if your name is bakedtater and you change your name to @bakedtater1 you lose your entire post count, and therefore your whole history. and booted from half the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibbidoe Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Our history is ours. That's it. We started in Boston with a different name, but that's still part of the team history. Arizona has moved, their history followed. Raiders move every 20 years, their history follows. Washington Bullets > Wizards Tampa Bay Devil Rays > Rays Cleveland Browns > Baltimore Ravens history started in 1996. 1946 Cleveland Browns > 1995 Cleveland Browns, 1999 Cleveland Browns > Present This isn't an expansion team or witness protection, it's rebranding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeken24 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 I predict the following: The name changes, the teams starts to win ball games, the narrative changes, fans get galvanized to pack the stadium and the team wins Super Bowls. Lots of them. Future babies are raised up howling in the name of the Red Wolves as they step into Wolve's Den stadium for the first time of many. Our stories of the glory years become like the stories our fathers used to tell us about walking barefoot in the snow to school. Yea right.... Of course if a catastrophic global event occurs, my prediction is mute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasTomasz Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 This is a rebranding, everything will stay. This isn't comparable to a relocation like the Ravens or Titans. The most similar comparison is World Wrestling Entertainment rebranding after the World Wildlife Fund sued them and they ran the "Get The F Out" campaign when they changed the name. Same company, same history, same everything, except a new name. I also wouldn't expect "Redskins" to be censored or removed from any past game footage or anything either, just a change moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said: and booted from half the board. Heyyyyy who's counting frickin islander...baaaabby baby back ribs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bifflog Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, ThomasTomasz said: This is a rebranding, everything will stay. This isn't comparable to a relocation like the Ravens or Titans. The most similar comparison is World Wrestling Entertainment rebranding after the World Wildlife Fund sued them and they ran the "Get The F Out" campaign when they changed the name. Same company, same history, same everything, except a new name. I also wouldn't expect "Redskins" to be censored or removed from any past game footage or anything either, just a change moving forward. I hope you are right, but I don't think you are at all. It's not similar because no one had a moral quandary with the WWF name, it was a simple legal dispute. The footage won't just be censored, it won't ever be shown. The gear littered with slurs, won't be allowed to be worn in the stadium. If I'm wrong I'll own it, but I don't believe I will be. I'd be willing to bet on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 The heritage will stay. The name may, unfortunately, change, but John Riggins, Joe Gibbs, the Hogs, the Posse, Darrell Green, Doug Williams, three Super Bowl victories, etc. won't be wiped from our history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 this is a never ending argument partially because both sides are right. they cant take away memories, those will always be there, we'll always have the 3 superbowl victories and all the players we used to idolize. unfortunately what they can take away is the how our history ties into our present and future. when speaking of the redwolves the announcers wont say we have a long and storied history, they won't refer to our rich traditions. the fact is that there will be a huge adjustment to how our football team is viewed in the present and maybe that'll be a good thing, I dont know, but it will be very different and i dont see how you can argue otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cakmoney61 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 It's no different than a woman who gets married and changes her last name to her husband's. Other than her last name, she is the exact same person whose experiences, accomplishments, and history are exactly the same. In fact, her maiden name remains a part of her official identity. Until all of us Redskins fans die off, they will always be the Washington Redskins. That's all we've ever known. For almost 50 years as a fan, the name has been associated with pride, strength, competing, and winning. The official identity of all the great players that have played in Washington in its 88-year history were as Redskins. That's its history. This franchise's accomplishments, which includes three Super Bowls, will remain a part of its history until it ceases to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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