A New Start! (the Reboot) The Front Office, Ownership, & Coaching Staff Thread

[TD_washingtonredskins]

On 3/1/2022 at 6:27 PM, Dissident2 said:

I mean, anything's possible, but it sounded totally credible to me, especially when he explained why he didn't share them for so long (not wanting to implicate co-workers, needing the job, not thinking anyone would do anything). I think to focus on that at this point is meaningless and is a good example of why people don't ever bother coming forward with things, because people immediately question their motives. He certainly didn't have to put his name to this at all at this point. Apparently never leaked the videos. Could've probably sold them if he wanted to but didn't. That says something. It just strikes me as a double standard. "Believe the woman" immediately with no question, but assume this guy is a perv. Maybe he shouldn't have waited so long, but he did the right thing when all is said and done, and as you say, the main issue should be Snyder, the guy who ORDERED these. This guy benefits in no way for saying these things publicly as far as I can see. 

 

I don't really disagree with much that you posted above...my main focus is on Snyder and the fact that he ordered the tapes. I just don't know that I fully swallow this guy's original intentions. I admitted that it doesn't really matter much. I also never accused him of stealing the tapes to release them to TMZ or anything...

 

And, for the record, I don't think it's much of a double standard. Throughout much of the past 2-3 years there has been PLENTY of doubt and nasty things said about the women who have spoken up or even settled out of court (not by you, of course, but in general). Everything from "what do cheerleaders expect when they prance around half-naked every Sunday" to much worse things about the employees who have been doubted. So, I don't think questioning why someone would quietly pocket a soft-core NFL cheerleader porn is above reproach given that the actual victims who were filmed were never believed "immediately with no question" themselves. 

 

But, if he truly did that, it's great and commendable. Even if he didn't and he ultimately came around to expose Snyder...I'm fine with it. I'm just saying, that part of the story seemed odd to me. He had to know it did too...which is why he spent time overexplaining it. 

[Cooleyfan1993]

So i heard RG3’s book link and tweets about his book have been deleted? 
 

 

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

What I find perplexing about those hellbent on 'innocent until proven guilty' whenever a prominent public figure they like is alleged to have sexually harrassed and/or assaulted a woman is that it's based solely on the fact that there have been 'some' cases where these types of allegations are false.  They live in this imaginary world where the majority of these allegations are false, when it's the opposite. 

 

In this Watson case, it's not even so much that he committed heinous crimes to be found guilty of in the court of law, serve extended time, etc.  Even if some of the allegations were embellished or exaggerated, there's enough there to conclude that he has some issues that he needs to seek professional help for.  It's not like he simply has a sex addiction, was a serial John, and got caught buying prostitutes.  He sought out massage therapists via instagram, because they were attractive to him, and he gets off on having them alone and trying to convince them into doing things that aren't part of their profession.  That's predator behavior, it's that simple.

[Dissident2]

33 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

I don't really disagree with much that you posted above...my main focus is on Snyder and the fact that he ordered the tapes. I just don't know that I fully swallow this guy's original intentions. I admitted that it doesn't really matter much. I also never accused him of stealing the tapes to release them to TMZ or anything...

 

And, for the record, I don't think it's much of a double standard. Throughout much of the past 2-3 years there has been PLENTY of doubt and nasty things said about the women who have spoken up or even settled out of court (not by you, of course, but in general). Everything from "what do cheerleaders expect when they prance around half-naked every Sunday" to much worse things about the employees who have been doubted. So, I don't think questioning why someone would quietly pocket a soft-core NFL cheerleader porn is above reproach given that the actual victims who were filmed were never believed "immediately with no question" themselves. 

 

But, if he truly did that, it's great and commendable. Even if he didn't and he ultimately came around to expose Snyder...I'm fine with it. I'm just saying, that part of the story seemed odd to me. He had to know it did too...which is why he spent time overexplaining it. 

 

I agree with a lot of that, and questioning the ORIGINAL motive in taking the tapes is certainly not unfair. But I just didn't agree with it seeming "creepy as hell" considering the full context, which may have been "overexplained," but made sense to me. And you're right, he probably knew he HAD to overexplain, because that's the first thing a lot of people will say. "Oh, you just wanted to look at them yourself like every other disgusting man." I imagine that's probably why he remained anonymous up until now. 

 

What got me was a pretty heartfelt description of why he thought they were "gross," with a topless woman struggling to keep props over her breasts, etc., all set to music. He said she seemed uncomfortable. That sounded gross to me, too, as a man. Does just the phrase "naked cheerleaders" immediately conjure up some sort of visceral reaction as a heterosexual man? Sure. But then add to that " ... who are being exploited on camera against their knowledge and will" and that reaction immediately disappears, as I hope it would with anyone. I'm assuming that was the case here. 

 

Truth is, if this case is going to go further, we HAVE to get other MEN who know things to come out and talk. And if someone does that and then sees that people just start calling them perverts themselves, that's going to prevent that from happening. I'm not just saying you, because I've seen other comments like this on Twitter. I've also seen comments from cheerleaders and women directly involved, like Megan Imbert, who very much support this guy and are praising his actions, so, until proven otherwise, I'm going to go with that and commend him for doing what he did. 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

1 hour ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

So i heard RG3’s book link and tweets about his book have been deleted? 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Riggo#44]

1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

What I find perplexing about those hellbent on 'innocent until proven guilty' whenever a prominent public figure they like is alleged to have sexually harrassed and/or assaulted a woman is that it's based solely on the fact that there have been 'some' cases where these types of allegations are false.  They live in this imaginary world where the majority of these allegations are false, when it's the opposite. 

 

In this Watson case, it's not even so much that he committed heinous crimes to be found guilty of in the court of law, serve extended time, etc.  Even if some of the allegations were embellished or exaggerated, there's enough there to conclude that he has some issues that he needs to seek professional help for.  It's not like he simply has a sex addiction, was a serial John, and got caught buying prostitutes.  He sought out massage therapists via instagram, because they were attractive to him, and he gets off on having them alone and trying to convince them into doing things that aren't part of their profession.  That's predator behavior, it's that simple.

I always have skepticism when incidents that were decades ago come out, or at politically convenient times, are fair game to question what really happened. But with Watson--way, way too much smoke. Are some of the women just saying something to get in on a payday? Absolutely. All of them? Not a chance. He's a scum bag.

[Cooleyfan1993]

5 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said:

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm. I wonder why. Maybe cause he knows his “story” is complete BS 😂 

[TD_washingtonredskins]

32 minutes ago, Dissident2 said:

 

I agree with a lot of that, and questioning the ORIGINAL motive in taking the tapes is certainly not unfair. But I just didn't agree with it seeming "creepy as hell" considering the full context, which may have been "overexplained," but made sense to me. And you're right, he probably knew he HAD to overexplain, because that's the first thing a lot of people will say. "Oh, you just wanted to look at them yourself like every other disgusting man." I imagine that's probably why he remained anonymous up until now. 

 

What got me was a pretty heartfelt description of why he thought they were "gross," with a topless woman struggling to keep props over her breasts, etc., all set to music. He said she seemed uncomfortable. That sounded gross to me, too, as a man. Does just the phrase "naked cheerleaders" immediately conjure up some sort of visceral reaction as a heterosexual man? Sure. But then add to that " ... who are being exploited on camera against their knowledge and will" and that reaction immediately disappears, as I hope it would with anyone. I'm assuming that was the case here. 

 

Truth is, if this case is going to go further, we HAVE to get other MEN who know things to come out and talk. And if someone does that and then sees that people just start calling them perverts themselves, that's going to prevent that from happening. I'm not just saying you, because I've seen other comments like this on Twitter. I've also seen comments from cheerleaders and women directly involved, like Megan Imbert, who very much support this guy and are praising his actions, so, until proven otherwise, I'm going to go with that and commend him for doing what he did. 

Makes sense. I just like to fully explore all sides of things. Just because this guy is a Snyder enemy, I don't want to automatically assume he's pure and innocent. Believe me, I'm on the side of the women on this for many reasons...this hits very, very close to home for me and I know all about the video, the outtakes, etc. I'm pretty sensitive to someone having a copy in his possession for a decade, if that makes sense.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

5 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

I always have skepticism when incidents that were decades ago come out, or at politically convenient times, are fair game to question what really happened. But with Watson--way, way too much smoke. Are some of the women just saying something to get in on a payday? Absolutely. All of them? Not a chance. He's a scum bag.

I didn't mean it to sound like I am against 'innocent until proven guilty' in general.  

 

It just seems in this situation, there's more than enough there to suggest that he's a scumbag even if he's not found guilty of any criminal offenses for whatever reasons.  To deny that is simply not wanting to believe what's staring you right in the face.

 

I'd have more respect for folks if they just said, 'All I care about is winning' and we need a QB to win, I don't care what he did, etc. than to pretend to be righteous and stand on the grounds of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

[Riggo#44]

4 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I didn't mean it to sound like I am against 'innocent until proven guilty' in general.  

 

It just seems in this situation, there's more than enough there to suggest that he's a scumbag even if he's not found guilty of any criminal offenses for whatever reasons.  To deny that is simply not wanting to believe what's staring you right in the face.

 

I'd have more respect for folks if they just said, 'All I care about is winning' and we need a QB to win, I don't care what he did, etc. than to pretend to be righteous and stand on the grounds of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

Yeah at this point in our team's history, they cannot feasibly, realistically bring in Watson, whether he's cleared or not. It would be a powder keg next to a blazing fire.

[DJHJR86]

4 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

Yeah at this point in our team's history, they cannot feasibly, realistically bring in Watson, whether he's cleared or not. It would be a powder keg next to a blazing fire.

 

That's why Rivera or Mayhew should come out and stop ****footing around the topic.  The Dolphins GM just came out and said the door was closed on Watson.  We should do the same.  

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

1 minute ago, Riggo#44 said:

Yeah at this point in our team's history, they cannot feasibly, realistically bring in Watson, whether he's cleared or not. It would be a powder keg next to a blazing fire.

That too.

 

As someone who has defended Ron and what he's been enlisted to do here, I'd be all out on him if he chose to acquire Watson, no matter what comes of it all.  

[NewCliche21]

3 hours ago, Riggo#44 said:

Just for real dramatic effect--kind of like a good old fashioned public execution--can we start labeling those banned with an appropriate avatar?

 

****, we need some real news...

 

 

As much as the side topic is effectively my life's work, I'm really frustrated that this entire thing seems to have just fizzled out.

I understand that Snyder's no Russian invasion of Ukraine, but dammit, he's just gonna continue to get what he'll perceive as divine intervention to save his ass.  We're stuck with this prick.

[Dissident2]

30 minutes ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

As much as the side topic is effectively my life's work, I'm really frustrated that this entire thing seems to have just fizzled out.

I understand that Snyder's no Russian invasion of Ukraine, but dammit, he's just gonna continue to get what he'll perceive as divine intervention to save his ass.  We're stuck with this prick.

 

I'm not promising anything or making any "look-at-me" proclamations, but I'm pretty much at the "either he goes or I do" place with my fandom. The whole name change has actually helped make it easier in that regard. I'm still holding out hope that something good happens, but I can at least fully control my rooting interests and who I support. I just can't separate him from the team anymore like I used to be able to do. I do think more is happening behind the scenes, though, I really do. Don't give up hope. 

[Busch1724]

2 hours ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Hmmm. I wonder why. Maybe cause he knows his “story” is complete BS 😂 

 

 

I would imagine  the things RG3 wanted to reveal in his book would be things that would cause him to lose his job because he didn't report them at the time. I'm sure a lawyer or two talked him into not doing it. It's not that the failure to report what he saw was wrong, but sponsorships and such would tell the networks to get him off the air. He'd lose his broadcasting career.

[Darrell Green Fan]

One of the victims on Twitter is thinking he got paid a big check to not tell his story.  That would make a lot of sense to me. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Dissident2 said:

 

I'm not promising anything or making any "look-at-me" proclamations, but I'm pretty much at the "either he goes or I do" place with my fandom. The whole name change has actually helped make it easier in that regard. I'm still holding out hope that something good happens, but I can at least fully control my rooting interests and who I support. I just can't separate him from the team anymore like I used to be able to do. I do think more is happening behind the scenes, though, I really do. Don't give up hope. 

 

That's where I am. I declared here a few months ago that I was done, I just can't support a team owned by these horrible people any more.  And I am committed to that, I stay here to get info about this whole thing and holding out a slim hope that he will be removed. That hope gets slimmer by the day. 

[NewCliche21]

2 hours ago, Dissident2 said:

 

I'm not promising anything or making any "look-at-me" proclamations, but I'm pretty much at the "either he goes or I do" place with my fandom. The whole name change has actually helped make it easier in that regard. I'm still holding out hope that something good happens, but I can at least fully control my rooting interests and who I support. I just can't separate him from the team anymore like I used to be able to do. I do think more is happening behind the scenes, though, I really do. Don't give up hope. 

 

Ugh, in the back of my head I know I'm in a similar place.  My son (6) likes the Chargers uniforms.  I'm not terrified at the prospect.

But yeah, the "he goes or I do" is more present than I'd care to admit. Unfortunately I don't think much is going on since the news has moved on.  Dammit.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

I'm still hanging on because this is all I know and fandom tends to make all of us hypocrites from time to time.  That said, I'm hanging on out of habit and nowhere else to take my fandom.  I don't have that same energy I used to have where the outcome of games makes or breaks my Sunday.  Part of that is just general apathy from watching bad football, but the majority of it stems from my complete disgust of Dan Snyder.

 

I'd take Dan being ousted from ownership over acquiring a guy like Aaron Rodgers.  So it's not like I just need immediate winning football to cure my ills - I need to not hate who owns the team.

[CommanderInTheRye]

Rumor: RG3 signed a NDA and agreed not to write his book or talk about its content in exchange for a 6 figure bag of hush money.

[formerly4skins]

36 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

Rumor: RG3 signed a NDA and agreed not to write his book or talk about its content in exchange for a 6 figure bag of hush money.

 

I think someone may have just needed to explain to him what libel means...and of course remind him how litigious Snyder is. 

[LetThePointsSoar]

4 hours ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

As much as the side topic is effectively my life's work, I'm really frustrated that this entire thing seems to have just fizzled out.

I understand that Snyder's no Russian invasion of Ukraine, but dammit, he's just gonna continue to get what he'll perceive as divine intervention to save his ass.  We're stuck with this prick.

 

4 hours ago, Dissident2 said:

 

I'm not promising anything or making any "look-at-me" proclamations, but I'm pretty much at the "either he goes or I do" place with my fandom. The whole name change has actually helped make it easier in that regard. I'm still holding out hope that something good happens, but I can at least fully control my rooting interests and who I support. I just can't separate him from the team anymore like I used to be able to do. I do think more is happening behind the scenes, though, I really do. Don't give up hope. 

 

2 hours ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

Ugh, in the back of my head I know I'm in a similar place.  My son (6) likes the Chargers uniforms.  I'm not terrified at the prospect.

But yeah, the "he goes or I do" is more present than I'd care to admit. Unfortunately I don't think much is going on since the news has moved on.  Dammit.

 

The "he goes or I go" is exactly where I'm at.  I went from being here and posting every single day to checking in once or twice a week and almost never posting. 

 

And for the record, the KC logo profile pic was my tiny eff you to Snyder. Now seeing it back a few weeks later makes me wanna vomit, lol.  I can't stand the Chiefs, even though I only live 2 hrs from the stadium and it would certainly be a hell of a lot easier to be a fan. 

[BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen]

I found a soon-to-be-unemployed NFLPA bigwig who will likely need a job soon. Based on his credentials below, he would be a perfect fit for this team!!! Jason Wright needs to get on the horn to this guy ASAP...

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10028605-nflpa-managing-director-ira-fishman-under-investigation-for-misconduct

 

More than six current and former NFLPA employees told Vice they "directly witnessed" Fishman making ill-suited remarks to women and that his conduct "affected the day-to-day work environment for female employees." 

According to Vice, female employees would send messages to each other from their desks to avoid coming face-to-face with Fishman in the halls. In addition, one female employee revealed little interest in a "substantial promotion" because she would have had to spend more time with Fishman. 

The employees interviewed also said Fishman appeared to enjoy when others were embarrassed, and he would "fart and belch in meetings, and shoot his used chewing tobacco into trash cans like a basketball, so that it would spatter on others."

Fishman also allegedly used his master key to enter locked offices and his "drinking was the stuff of legend." He allegedly "drank regularly at work" and had a "stocked mini-bar in his office."

In addition, before the NFL and NFLPA came to an agreement on a new collective bargaining agreement in 2020, Fishman allegedly got drunk before a meeting and got into an argument with NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith in front of at least one player "that was so loud people present were astonished he kept his job." 

According to Vice, the letter also described an overall toxic work environment for women, who were often held to higher standards than their male counterparts. The NFLPA denied the allegations in a response to Vice. 

"We dispute any allegation that this is a sexist or toxic work environment. It is a disservice to the women and the men who work here,” the NFLPA said. The union also called the allegation that the NFLPA is an old boy's club "categorically false."

[profusion]

Does anyone involved with the NFL actually just keep focused and do their job?

[skinsfan4128]

4 hours ago, profusion said:

Does anyone involved with the NFL actually just keep focused and do their job?

No. If it doesn't mess with their bottom line. 

HTTR!

[Renegade7]

On 3/3/2022 at 10:35 AM, Riggo#44 said:

Yeah at this point in our team's history, they cannot feasibly, realistically bring in Watson, whether he's cleared or not. It would be a powder keg next to a blazing fire.

 

I've still mentally prepared myself for us doing it anyway...