SoCalSkins Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, boston skins fan said: Source? For all you know KOC was offered the job but dragged his feet KOC was under contract. If Turner is the hire then Ron didn't want him. Regardless, read bowhunter's posts on KOC and you will get the joke with my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Wait how is that 3 in 3 years if Haskins has only been here for 1? Also 5 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: Told you guys. Ron didn't want the soft KOC. Edited January 7, 2020 by Llevron 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boston skins fan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: KOC was under contract. If Turner is the hire then Ron didn't want him. Regardless, read bowhunter's posts on KOC and you will get the joke with my post. If hes under contract or not doesnt mean he wanted to be here. why would rivera keep someone around that doesnt wanna be here. there are major holes in all your arguments Edited January 7, 2020 by boston skins fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said: I think I got your angle? My point is I think the McDaniels interest is likely genuine. Ditto Chip Kelly's interest in him at UCLA previously. There was plenty of smoke on both fronts. Supposedly, Dan was very interested in keeping O'Connell because he hates losing his young and up-comers to other teams. I think the mystery is what does Rivera think of O'Connell. Some here make a good point than O'Connell might not be Rivera's king of guy because he values experience. Hoffman (if I recall Finlay, too) seemed to allude that Rivera wants to keep him but I don't recall how I got that impression so maybe I am mis-recalling it or they are just guessing. But my point I think its a plausible theory that its O'Connell who wants to leave. Hoffman who seems the closes to him among the beat guys has been saying that from the outset and the main thing being that he's close to McDaniels. He also said he has some other opportunities too but the mcDaniels one is the most intriguing to him. Will see. I can see all 3 being true. KOC has some interest from a few potential HCs - college and pros - KOC wants to leave - Redskins want to possibly hold onto him, at least until they know for sure who their OC will be. My problem with the statements made about him is that they were stated as fact that he has made up rumors to make himself look good and that other coaches around the league are "disturbed" by his promotion - not sure why they would care - and that no one actually wants him at all. That's some pretty harsh stuff to be stating without facts to support. I have no problem with people expressing an opinion - that's what we are here. I do have a problem with opinion being presented as if it were fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MariusVT Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: Told you guys. Ron didn't want the soft KOC. Not that Scott Turner is any more experienced but he is someone Rivera is familiar with. It Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Ohhh 3 cause we are counting Jay. Duh Llevron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Maybe this new Giants coach hires Jay Gruden at OC, and Gruden gets to finally work with his 2019 draft crush in Daniel Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boston skins fan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, goskins10 said: I can see all 3 being true. KOC has some interest from a few potential HCs - college and pros - KOC wants to leave - Redskins want to possibly hold onto him, at least until they know for sure who their OC will be. My problem with the statements made about him is that they were stated as fact that he has made up rumors to make himself look good and that other coaches around the league are "disturbed" by his promotion - not sure why they would care - and that no one actually wants him at all. That's some pretty harsh stuff to be stating without facts to support. I have no problem with people expressing an opinion - that's what we are here. I do have a problem with opinion being presented as if it were fact. Thats my issue as well and bravo for you saying it. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, boston skins fan said: Source? For all you know KOC was offered the job but dragged his feet That also could be in play, too. Rivera is a decisive guy or so he seems. So if he lets say offered the job to O'Connell and O'Connell's response was let me get back to you then he might not have loved it. IMO all of these theories could be in play. It's clear here that some here don't like O'Connell and prefer to think that Rivera just wants to get rid of the bum and its fun to think of it that way. It's possible. But judging purely on the scuttlebutt stuff I think that's unlikely. But I can definitely see Rivera not loving O'Connell communicating the idea that he'd leave for a better offer. The reason why I give that narrative some legs is that's been the narrative that Hoffman has been echoing this whole time. I was listening to Hoffman's show on January 1st and at one point when talking about O'Connell he goes give me 10 minutes and I'll give you an update where he alluded he would ask the source directly. Finlay and another had a report that day that O'Connell was one of the coaches Rivera wanted to keep. Hoffman disputed that report with the angle of O'Connell being here isn't all about what Rivera wants but also about what O'Connell desires which isn't per se about sticking around for sure. Edited January 7, 2020 by Skinsinparadise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, HTTRDynasty said: Maybe this new Giants coach hires Jay Gruden at OC, and Gruden gets to finally work with his 2019 draft crush in Daniel Jones. Then they can pinch each others nipples until the sun comes up. Prefect story 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4ever28 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 KOC was overrated as hell, remember the first weeks of the season? I don't care if we get rid of him or not to be honest. I think he showed some promise but he wasn't a McVeigh or Shanahanhanahanhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panninho Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Llevron said: Then they can pinch each others nipples until the sun comes up. Prefect story There is an easy KOC joke to be made but I will pass.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Llevron said: This is why I can agree with those who say we shouldnt have drafted the guy. This was obviously going to happen. We all knew going into the season that Gruden was done, and I think Bruce did too. The worst things you could do to a rookie QB in no particular order are putting him in too early without preparation, pairing him with a coach who doesnt want him, drafting him to a team with no weapons and no defense, changing up the coaches or coordinators every season and a QB controversy. We did all that **** and it was basically the plan from the start. WHY Good stuff. And it's why I have been throwing out the idea of embracing the Arizona model since the last draft. If you suspect your QB is not going to make it, draft another. And trade the one you just drafted before they lose any and all trade value. Before Haskins, I think we drafted one QB every 5 years in recent decades, of course including taking 2 in the same draft. If we don't draft one every 5 years, and hold onto them even if there are red flags, it will surprise no one that we suck at finding QBs. I have my concerns. I saw Bostic chimed in with the same. KOC did some good work with him, but surprising no one, he is still very raw. How long should RR give him? I have faith RR will cater to his strengths after seeing how he used Cam as a rookie, which I still consider breaking with the old traditional approach of: any QB drafted must be molded into a pocker passer on day 1, and for forever. Edited January 7, 2020 by RandyHolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 22 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: So the ball is completely in KoCs court.... I'll never look at that nickname the same ever again.. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, goskins10 said: I can see all 3 being true. KOC has some interest from a few potential HCs - college and pros - KOC wants to leave - Redskins want to possibly hold onto him, at least until they know for sure who their OC will be. My problem with the statements made about him is that they were stated as fact that he has made up rumors to make himself look good and that other coaches around the league are "disturbed" by his promotion - not sure why they would care - and that no one actually wants him at all. That's some pretty harsh stuff to be stating without facts to support. I have no problem with people expressing an opinion - that's what we are here. I do have a problem with opinion being presented as if it were fact. I agree. This is unlikely being manufactured by O'Connell or even if it is then everyone else does it, too so I wouldn't pick on him. There are zillion rumors about coaches being wanted here and there. So the ones about O'Connell are just like anyone else. I noticed one of O'Connell's critics here likes Shurmur. There are a multiple rumors about Shurmur right now as well. It just comes with the turf. Reporters have said many times -- often the leaks come from agents. And if no one wants O'Connell he's playing a dangerous game if this is some wild gambit on his end because he might be left holding the bag without an O coordinator job. If what Hoffman is saying is true the risk for him is by not committed to staying here, it makes it easy for Rivera to move on. And if this is much about coaching with McDaniels, what if he doesn't get the Browns job which is the only one left? Though Hoffman said he has other opportunities as well but the McDaniels is the intriguing one supposedly. Edited January 7, 2020 by Skinsinparadise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShredSkins Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 So the Giant's don't hire Mcdaniels K.O.C. is free to explore jobs an hour later. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) These Scott Turner rumors seems to be growing legs and arms. Personally, with KOC not wanting to be here I want another OC on our team. Edited January 7, 2020 by RWJ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Panninho said: This makes me think they offered the job already so the Turner rumors are likely true. Will see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Yeah, it's Turner as OC here. I think KOC goes to the Giants or Browns. Edited January 7, 2020 by HTTRDynasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 KOC was under contract. Ron didn't want him. It's not complicated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Llevron said: Ohhh 3 cause we are counting Jay. Duh Llevron Hmm. I was guessing 3 new systems in 3 years meant this upcoming new system (Scott turner??) being 1. The Gruden/koc system being another, and then the 3rd being back in college? But yours would make more sense, i guess🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar1156 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Old school Rivera sticking with guys he knows. Somewhat disappointing but we shouldn't be surprised. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Edited January 7, 2020 by Skinsinparadise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Wasn't it reported that Norv was ready to bail from our ogre owner after the 99 season, but decided to stay around until Scott finished high school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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