Welcome to the Redskins Chase Young DE Ohio State

[Skinsinparadise]

24 minutes ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

 

Can't quite remember my total thoughts on McKinney pre-draft.  He played kind of like Malcolm Jenkins and Antrelle Rolle, moved around, Nickel, Safety, came into the box for a variety of roles.  Flash blitz and drop all the way to robber.  But mostly I saw him being around plays, yet unable to actually close distance to make a play.  He seemed like an ideal clean-up guy.  Around the action.  I don't think he's ever going to be one of the best safeties in the league, but I think he's a pretty good Day 2 pick.  You don't need a high ceiling to be a Day 2 pick, but he's got a higher likelihood of reaching his lower ceiling.  I don't think he needs to be a great 1-on-1 tackler to have a positive impact against the run.  If he can follow the action, and continue to be assignment diverse, he'll let other players who are better than him against the run in that formation or package, be in spots that benefit them more.

 

But I think he's a little scheme limited in coverage.  You want him moving around frequently with his assignments, you don't want him being Single High.  So Cover 1/3 is harder to do without really good corners.  They got Bradberry who fits that, but that's only on one side.  I think Cover 2/4 being the base coverage for that defense fits what McKinney can't do better.

 

Gotta be honest, I only saw like 2 games focusing on McKinney, thought he would not pair well with Landon Collins, so stopped watching him as he was off my radar.

 

 

 

McKinney was one of my fav players in the draft, among the 2nd tier types.  I think he will play well for them.   

 

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/nick-saban-explains-why-he-likes-xavier-mckinneys-fit-with-the-new-york-giants/

...Alabama coach Nick Saban explained why he thinks McKinney can find a great deal of success in the NFL:

 

“I think Xavier has a lot of diversity as a player,” Saban said. “He can play man-to-man, he’s got pretty good ball judgment, he’s a good tackler, he’s got a lot of toughness, he’s a very instinctive and effective blitzer. He’s got some burst and acceleration to come off the edge or blitz up the middle and he’s got enough power to take on a blocker if he needs to. So he can do just about all the critical factors in terms of what we look for in a safety here. As he got experience, he was smart enough to be able to play multiple positions.

 

“I think the guy’s got some dog in him. He’s a competitive guy. He’s a playmaker. We have a production point system here that we use, and he was always high on that board because he forces fumbles, shows up in the right place, does a good job of executing. He’s instinctive, he’s a quick reactor, he’s got a burst. He can be a knock-back tackler. So he’s always been a real playmaker for us and it comes in a lot of different ways, but that’s probably his greatest strength – his production.”

 

As for McKinney sliding into Round 2 instead of being taken in Round 1, Saban says he believes his former player should have gone in the first 32 picks:

 

“Normally, statistically, there are two safeties picked in the first round if you look at historical data,” Saban said. “So he should have been a first-round pick based on historical information. And certainly as a player, I think most people had him graded there. I just think sometimes in the draft when there’s an overload at another position, whether it’s receiver or offensive line or whatever it is, that guys don’t always get picked where their grade says."

 

Edited August 17, 2020 by Skinsinparadise

[Burgundy Yoda]

Daniel Jones has bulked up and now Carson Wentz weighs 250 pounds apparently, anyone think this is because they're anticipating a certain team in the division to have a good to great defensive line? I can't wait for the media day tomorrow so we can watch Chase and these guys in action and get some reporting on how they're looking. 

Edited August 17, 2020 by Burgundy Yoda

[Anselmheifer]

8 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

Daniel Jones has bulked up and now Carson Wentz weighs 250 pounds apparently, anyone think this is because they're anticipating a certain team in the division to have a good to great defensive line? I can't wait for the media day tomorrow so we can watch Chase and these guys in action and get some reporting on how they're looking. 

Daniel Jones should have worked on bulking up his hands. Fumbler! 
 

That’s a great segway into this video. I didn’t know where else to post it, but holy crap! Florio has Frankenstein hands!

 

 

 

SIP, I agree with you about Xavier McKinney. I would be thrilled if we got a guy of that caliber in the 2nd this year. He was a steal and I was pissed he fell to the Giants. Also loved Andrew Thomas. 

 

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

On 8/14/2020 at 10:14 PM, wit33 said:

Him always looking for the strip sack is special. It’s those special guys that can make the good play while looking to create the elite play simultaneously. 
 

The strip sack is the closest rival to an elite QB!!!! 
 

 

 

 

As a fan base we aren't used to superstars-elite players.  Ironic considering when Dan first arrived he seemed somewhat obsessed with landing the big fish.  A dude like Chase IMO is long overdue for a team not used to having big time players.  It should be a fun ride. 

 

 

[mistertim]

4 hours ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

I don't think anyone was hot on Joe Judge, were they? Plus, how many successful Belicheck proteges are there? Graham had 1 year experience as a DC with Miami last year. They weren't good. We'll see, you need good players to be a good coach, but good coaches get the best out of good players (see, Manusky, Greg for the antithesis of that). We'll see that in several places this year--primarily in the Brady-Bellicheck divorce.

 

 

Meh, I've never really been too impressed by the whole "Learned under Belichick" thing. I've thought for many years that, while he's not a bad coach and he's a good defensive mind who is good at molding his defenses around the talent he has, he's overrated and he'd never have been nearly what he's considered now as a coach if he hadn't lucked into the GOAT QB. Before he landed Brady, in 6 seasons as a head coach he had a record of 41-55. 

[Skinsinparadise]

one of the top trending subjects on twitter this morning -- Chase Young

 

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2020 by Skinsinparadise

[Skinsinparadise]

Michael Phillips who watched camp today more or less said this:

 

The D line looked good but Chase Young already stands out among them, looks bigger, better, stronger than anyone on that D line right from the jump. 

[Skinsinparadise]

We've talked some defense here recently  I listened to the Rivera presser.  Looks like a real competition at FS between Apke and Davis and a free for all at linebacker

 

 

 

[Conn]

I don’t expect him to be blowing people up in practice so this will probably continue to happen, but it amazes me how often I forget Collins is even on this roster. I think behind this DL he can really make an impact. 

[Vanguard]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

We've talked some defense here recently  I listened to the Rivera presser.  Looks like a real competition at FS between Apke and Davis and a free for all at linebacker

 

 

 

Im a little concerned at free safety.  I want to see the rookie Curl who can supposedly play corner and safety.  But Apke is faster, given Curl runs a 4.6 forty.  We’ll probably go with Apke.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[Koolblue13]

I don't know how I've been the only fan in the Apke club after last year, but here I am.

[FootballZombie]

24 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I don't know how I've been the only fan in the Apke club after last year, but here I am.

 

You are not alone. I like him when we bring in extra coverage guys, but he will have to continue to prove himself as a starter. Aside from that, I think he is our best ST player outside of Way. He has significant value on this roster, however he is used.

 

You would have to be brain-dead not to see this guys value. (Zombie Pun)

[Koolblue13]

3 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

 

You are not alone. I like him when we bring in extra coverage guys, but he will have to continue to prove himself as a starter. Aside from that, I think he is our best ST player outside of Way. He has significant value on this roster, however he is used.

 

 

 

You would have to be brain-dead not to see this guys value. (Zombie Pun)

 

You're probably the smartest zombie I've ever met.

[Anselmheifer]

I doubt that it was accidental that Montez Sweat was going against Jeremy Sprinkle in his 1 on 1’s while Chase was going against Moses. 
 

Build confidence in the still young and less heralded and gifted player, Sweat. Challenge the naturally gifted Chase Young with the best OT currently available on the roster. 

[Burgundy Yoda]

47 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

I doubt that it was accidental that Montez Sweat was going against Jeremy Sprinkle in his 1 on 1’s while Chase was going against Moses. 
 

Build confidence in the still young and less heralded and gifted player, Sweat. Challenge the naturally gifted Chase Young with the best OT currently available on the roster. 

That could have been a test for Sprinkle actually. See if he can block one of our best pass rushers. 

[Malapropismic Depository]

14 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

I don't know how I've been the only fan in the Apke club after last year, but here I am.

 

Oh, Apke has quite a few secret admirers. We just lean back, and smile quietly to ourselves.

It has been said, that he only need work on his angles.

But with all the downtime during lockdown, Apke's had plenty of time to study his angles, triangles, hypotenuses. So much so, that he doesn't take time to shave.

But who wouldn't have difficulty calculating their angles, when they have such lightning speed ?

 

 

 

Edited August 19, 2020 by Malapropismic Depository

[bakedtater1]

7 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

I don't know how I've been the only fan in the Apke club after last year, but here I am.

😒 me too

[Voice_of_Reason]

7 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

I don't know how I've been the only fan in the Apke club after last year, but here I am.

I always liked his athleticism and questioned if he failed HS geometry because he always took such a bad angle to the ball.

 

And then you factor in the back end of the defense had communication and assignment problems for years under Manusky, and maybe, just maybe, Apke was more a victim of circumstance not having the right preparation and being in a bad scheme which was poorly coached, and with a better design and preparation, and coaching, it’s possible he learns something and can develop. 
 

The previous coaching staff could have made Laurence Taylor into an underperforming JAG.  They were that bad. 

Edited August 19, 2020 by Voice_of_Reason

[bakedtater1]

On 8/14/2020 at 7:02 PM, Anselmheifer said:

A little Chase Young porn. So ridiculous. I watched Montez Sweat highlights earlier today. There is a night and day difference between them. 

Thanks for sharing this..second coming of Lawrence Taylor..I mean chase is his own dude..he'll make a name for him self but I think of l.t watching these por uh I mean highlights lol

[Malapropismic Depository]

Chase Young is like Montez Sweat on steroids.

Natural steroids, of course.

[Koolblue13]

 

[Going Commando]

8 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

And then you factor in the back end of the defense had communication and assignment problems for years under Manusky, and maybe, just maybe, Apke was more a victim of circumstance not having the right preparation and being in a bad scheme which was poorly coached, and with a better design and preparation, and coaching, it’s possible he learns something and can develop. 

 

This is a problem that affected all of our players for most of the past decade.  People commonly think NFL teams are bad because their players are bad, or at least much worse than their competition.  As someone who has watched quite a bit of college football and seen a lot of these players perform back when they were enrolled in a functional football ecosystem, I know that NFL level failure doesn't generally or mainly come down to the players being bad.  NFL teams all recruit from the same pool of college football studs and have largely equal teambuilding resources/tools.  It's what happens in the organization after the draft that determines outcomes.  Culture is everything.  Competing at the highest level in the highest level of the sport takes great culture.  Great system design, great coaching, great teaching, great management and leadership, great competitive habits from everyone, great teamwork.  A place where sacrificing of yourself, fixing issues at your level when they surface, and going above and beyond to help the team are heavily incentivized behaviors.  A place where your players and coaches and front office staff are absolutely committed to the wearisome grind of mastering the details of their crafts that is necessary for elite performance in an ultra competitive field year in and year out. Bad organizations don't lead their people to and nurture that kind of care and attention to detail.  Don't hold everyone accountable to that standard.  Players who were close to each other coming out of college end up having widely divergent career outcomes as a result of getting drafted into organizations of very different quality.

 

I think the reason outsiders like fans mainly tend to blame the players for the failures of the team is because it's a lot easier to blame the highly replaceable player than it is to grapple with the truth that it's the organization itself dooming them.  It's pretty much impossible to sustain fandom for a team when you've accepted the reality that they don't have the culture and competent organization in place to honestly compete.  You end up hoping that X, Y, and Z new players can come in and overcome their environment to succeed and the NFL is so competitively volatile that maybe we'll get a flukey year where we make a run.  For me that kind of hope usually ends at some point in October and I switch focus fully to college football to assess the next generation of NFL players.  At any rate, almost 30 years of persistent bottom rung competitiveness, a period that covers many generations of players and builds, should be pretty clear proof to everyone that it's not the quality of our players that have been the cause of our failure.

[Skinsinparadise]

23 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

I think the reason outsiders like fans mainly tend to blame the players for the failures of the team is because it's a lot easier to blame the highly replaceable player than it is to grapple with the truth that it's the organization itself dooming them.  It's pretty much impossible to sustain fandom for a team when you've accepted the reality that they don't have the culture and competent organization in place to honestly compete.  You end up hoping that X, Y, and Z new players can come in and overcome their environment to succeed and the NFL is so competitively volatile that maybe we'll get a flukey year where we make a run.  For me that kind of hope usually ends at some point in October and I switch focus fully to college football to assess the next generation of NFL players.  At any rate, almost 30 years of persistent bottom rung competitiveness, a period that covers many generations of players and builds, should be pretty clear proof to everyone that it's not the quality of our players that have been the cause of our failure.

 

Agree with the overall point but I don't believe that it's the point that exclusively explains it.   I do think our drafting is a major variable in that mix and the biggest variable, too.  The thing is perennial bad teams have had elite players and first team All Pros.  Plus while some guys have succeeded leaving here, no one really left here and become an elite guy that I can recall. We are the one and only team without a first team All Pro if I recall in the last 20 years or something like that. 

 

Maybe some of our guys got robbed but I don't think it's wildly off.  Also, I don't think it's wildly off that we rarely get any player in the top 100 players in the league listings whether its PFF or the players selecting their own, etc.  We don't sell jerseys.  We don't have players that are talked much about in the league.  And no it's not the Redskins coupled with all the other bad teams.  It's really a Redskin thing more than any other team. 

 

The Jets have had some awful teams for a long time.  Bad culture.  Bad coaching. Bad owner.  Yet have had some elite guys and somewhat consistently.   Ditto the Lions.  Ditto the Giants even in their recent down years.

 

When you draft Laron Landry instead of Adrian Peterson.  When you draft Carlos Rodgers instead of Demarcus Ware.  Pass over JJ Watt to trade down.  Trade down with our division rivals of all teams so they can take D. Lawrence and we grab ourselves Trent Murphy.  Supposedly ignore your scouts who wanted Jordy Nelson and take Devin Thomas, instead.   On and on.  These are bad decisions IMO.  Carlos Rodgers played better in SF but didn't become an elite corner.  Landry didn't become elite when he left here.  Murphy didn't bloom in Buffalo.  On and on. 

 

We've had just about every obvious symptom of bad drafting IMO.  Taking one year wonders.  Drafting for need.  And in drafts going for lower ceiling but more bust proof players.  It doesn't strike me that odd when you factor all of that -- that this team has missed out on elite players compared to most of the league including some of our fellow bad team-bad culture teams in the league.

 

Gregg Williams was perhaps our last stud defensive coordinator.  He didn't make Carlos Rodgers into D. Revis or turn Laron Landry into Jamal Adams.  He did draft one elite talent in Sean Taylor who arguably was their one elite player (maybe Trent, too).  But the team wasn't teaming with elite level talent on either side of the ball.  Mike Shanahan was considered one of the best offensive coaches of all time when he got here, he landed some talent and coached them up but no one elite that struck me. 

 

Before the 2018 draft, Doug slipped in a conversation they wanted a DT and RB early.  That's exactly what they ended up doing.  Before the Redskins took Rodgers it came out they wanted a corner because they lost Smoot to FA.    There is a lot of smoke to their drafting process being flawed.   I suspect that's changing now for the better. 

 

Edited August 19, 2020 by Skinsinparadise

[Going Commando]

7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Agree with most of this but I do think our drafting is a real variable in that mix, too.  The thing is perennial bad teams have had elite players and first team All Pros.  Plus while some guys have succeeded leaving here, no one really left here and become an elite guy that I can recall.

 

The Jets have had some awful teams for a long time.  Bad culture.  Bad coaching.  Yet have had some elite guys.   Ditto the Lions.  Ditto the Giants even in their recent down years.

 

 

The Jets had a period in the late aughts and early teens where they were legitimately competitive.  But I don't agree that it's true that we' haven't had as many elite players of our own as the other bottom rung NFL teams have had.  Sean Taylor and Trent Williams and London Fletcher and Champ Bailey and Clinton Portis and Chris Samuels, etc.  Their elite individual performance gets drowned out by the whole.  And bad organizations tend to make it impossibly difficult to sustain elite performance year after year: RGIII and Alfred Morris come in here and are actually better initially than the likes of Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck until they fall through the cracks of a totally dysfunctional organization and have their careers dissolve.  Also very few players who have their early career wasted/stunted by their first team end up being successful with their future teams, much less go on to be dominant players.  The league cycles through talent at a brutal rate and the first years of a player's professional career are critical and very formative.  It's hard to start from scratch all over again when you don't have the very basic level of job security that comes from being a recent draft pick in a rookie deal.