Springfield Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 To piggyback in the Allen/Grunfeld thread... Whose a worse owner of their franchise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 This one is actually tough. I'll go with Angelos because I'm not sure he really cares at all about winning. For all his faults I think Snyder does care and want to win, he's just completely blind about how to go about doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Milhouse Snyder gets my vote. At least Angelo's is about to go away soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I’m not an Os fan so I don’t have firsthand experience with Angelos. But man, the Skins have fallen so far under Snyder. They were one of the best 3-4 franchises in the NFL (in terms of fanbase, value, etc). Now they have 20 years of futility, embarrassing mismanagement on a consistent basis, and a grossly eroded fanbase. There are possible fixes to the first two if Snyder improves operations (no small task, of course), but it would take years of winning and competence to start to rebuild their standing with a once-proud fanbase. It’s truly impressive how everything Snyder has done with the Skins has failed miserably. He’s got the Midas touch, but with excrement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskin4ever Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 This is a tough one, but I’ll go with snyder. As much as I hate Angelos and know it’s only a matter of time before he’s not the owner, they at least are trying something productive now. They hired an analytics guy and are going to rebuild that way. I’m not going to claim that will work and those of us who are Orioles fans know they will suck for the next few years. But at least they are trying something different and appear to be giving control to the GM to do this. Snyder is still stuck in the same cycle of suck and the only thing he does is keep going backwards and not forwards as if that is going to fix things. Snyder would make this a tougher question to answer if he would fire Allen and bring in a real football guy and let that guy run things. It wouldn’t suddenly make him a great owner or even better than Angelos. But it would be an improvement from falling down the abyss like they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I voted Snyder. Had to google who Angelo's was. Not really a baseball fan. (Sidenote: baseball would be a lot more fun to watch if the batter got to keep the bat as he ran bases.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I voted Snyder. Had to google who Angelo's was. Not really a baseball fan. (Sidenote: baseball would be a lot more fun to watch if the batter got to keep the bat as he ran bases.) I had to google him as well, I guessed Wizards owner before I googled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Angelos gets my vote. Both of them hired a bum named Albert to drag their franchise rep through the mud, but Angelos then fired a manager of the year who had decades more good work ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskin4ever Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 29 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: (Sidenote: baseball would be a lot more fun to watch if the batter got to keep the bat as he ran bases.) Reminds me of this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Warhead36 said: This one is actually tough. I'll go with Angelos because I'm not sure he really cares at all about winning. For all his faults I think Snyder does care and want to win, he's just completely blind about how to go about doing it. Who says Snyder cares and wants to win? To me, he makes moves to bring in revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Angelos. Orioles have fallen further for longer. I'm a diehard Orioles fan, a diehard Redskins fan and I didn't even really have to think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Really want to go with Snyder. But I think Angelos is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spaceman Spiff Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Redskin4ever said: This is a tough one, but I’ll go with snyder. As much as I hate Angelos and know it’s only a matter of time before he’s not the owner, they at least are trying something productive now. They hired an analytics guy and are going to rebuild that way. I’m not going to claim that will work and those of us who are Orioles fans know they will suck for the next few years. But at least they are trying something different and appear to be giving control to the GM to do this. Snyder is still stuck in the same cycle of suck and the only thing he does is keep going backwards and not forwards as if that is going to fix things. Snyder would make this a tougher question to answer if he would fire Allen and bring in a real football guy and let that guy run things. It wouldn’t suddenly make him a great owner or even better than Angelos. But it would be an improvement from falling down the abyss like they are now. Don't give Angelos the satisfaction of making the analytics hire. His kids are in charge now, they made that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 27 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: Angelos. Orioles have fallen further for longer. I'm a diehard Orioles fan, a diehard Redskins fan and I didn't even really have to think about it. Pretty much this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Disagree about Angelos. While he is a horrible he would’ve fired Ernie years ago. The fact that Ted won’t fire him is maybe the craziest part of the area’s sports world in the last 10 years. The litmus test for not being the worst owner in a particular league should be: would they have fired EG years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskin4ever Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: Don't give Angelos the satisfaction of making the analytics hire. His kids are in charge now, they made that happen. I’m not giving him any satisfaction. I don’t care if it was him or his kids. There is at least something looking forward happening there. Not so with the Redskins. Angelos still sucks and will always be remembered for being an awful owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hersh said: Disagree about Angelos. While he is a horrible he would’ve fired Ernie years ago. The fact that Ted won’t fire him is maybe the craziest part of the area’s sports world in the last 10 years. The litmus test for not being the worst owner in a particular league should be: would they have fired EG years ago? Who's talking about Leonsis? It's Snyder vs. Angelos, per the title of the thread. And anything Leonsis does with the Wiz is offset by the Caps winning the Cup last year. Even if you don't care about the Caps, the fact that he's had success as an owner in hockey can't be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Snyder and it’s not close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Spaceman Spiff said: Who's talking about Leonsis? It's Snyder vs. Angelos, per the title of the thread. And anything Leonsis does with the Wiz is offset by the Caps winning the Cup last year. Even if you don't care about the Caps, the fact that he's had success as an owner in hockey can't be ignored. Whoops, I was thinking this was the other thread. Did realize a new one started. Wiz fans disagree that the Caps success gives Ted a pass on EG. Per this thread. Both are equally awful. Not sure how one distinguishes in this case. Meddling, bad hires, way more losing than winning, empty stadiums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 On the empty stadium front, Camden yards > fed ex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I don't know what the mid-Atlantic region has done to deserve such ****ty sports owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 4 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I voted Snyder. Had to google who Angelo's was. Not really a baseball fan. This is why the poll wont be far and away Angelos. Already reminds me of the Bruce vs Ernie thread. The way that O's playoff team got dismantled looked malicious AF. Snyder is also not an asshole towards any of the other DC teams, dude is still salty he couldn't stop DC from getting Nats and takes it out on us via MASN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 11 hours ago, skinsfan_1215 said: I’m not an Os fan so I don’t have firsthand experience with Angelos. But man, the Skins have fallen so far under Snyder. They were one of the best 3-4 franchises in the NFL (in terms of fanbase, value, etc). Now they have 20 years of futility, embarrassing mismanagement on a consistent basis, and a grossly eroded fanbase. There are possible fixes to the first two if Snyder improves operations (no small task, of course), but it would take years of winning and competence to start to rebuild their standing with a once-proud fanbase. It’s truly impressive how everything Snyder has done with the Skins has failed miserably. He’s got the Midas touch, but with excrement. The Redskins were bad when Snyder bought the team. Everyone seems to forget that JKC is 100% responsible for FedEx, and the team was BAD from 1993-97. Turner had one really good season (1999). Snyder rightfully fired Norval and made a good hire in Marty. Snyder made a HUGE mistake firing Marty after 1 season. Spurrier was a consensus NFL hire but it didn’t work out. Gibbs was an attempt to restore glory (can’t fault that move, if Sean Taylor stays at Redskins Park who knows what happens in 2008). Zorn was a craptastrophe, no other way to say it. Shanahan was a solid retread, and had Ngata not hurt RG3 in the scramble against Baltimore who knows what happens in the playoffs and beyond. Jay Gruden is horrible, and unimaginative, and refuses to adapt his game plan to his available players. In short, Angelos is worse because he doesn’t really try... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, gbear said: On the empty stadium front, Camden yards > fed ex. That has more to do with number of actual games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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