Sports Illustrated: U.S. Supreme Court Overturns Federal Ban on Sports Gambling

[dcdiscokid]

I was really surprised this topic didnt get more traction today on here, I lean towards this being a good thing. I get that the billionaire casino industry gets more money, but its taking it off the streets for guys like me who bet on like 5 sporting events a year. It also doesnt really effect the degenerate as you have to come with money to the book. In my case, MD would force a pretty high tax on the money collected to help education, roads, ect.  If the money is already being spent, just as well enter into the govt's hands.  The idea that we should keep it behind closed doors hasnt worked for anything in my opinion.

[PleaseBlitz]

3 hours ago, zoony said:

 

 

I would also point to the lottery.  One of the biggest taxes on poor and working class people of all time.  But at least it fills education coffers rather than casino moguls, so theres that

 

Why do care what people do with their money?  Isn’t the Republican position that people should get to keep all their money and do with it what they will?  I figure that if you live in Bum****, Kentucky then the anticipation of seeing whether the numbers you randomly selected match the numbers someone else randomly selected for fun and prizes is the highest form of entertainment you get outside of church bingo, which is also gambling (besides opioids, of course).  

[Momma There Goes That Man]

You guys aren’t thinking right. What if I opened up a chain of 4 buffalo Wild wing type resturaunts that also had a gambling book in the bar area where patrons could throw down some money on the upcoming game or get there At 11am and put a parlay down on nfl Sunday and eat/drink all day watching it play out. 

 

I hope that’s where we are headed and not just more casinos 

 

[Renegade7]

9 hours ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

I think this is a tax on the stupid, not necessarily the poor.

 

That's why it says "Play Responsibly" in fine print on VA lottery tickets, I assume.

 

I'm fine with this as well.

[Major Harris]

Am I reading Zoony right?  Poor tax?  Who hikacked him, ASF?

[Bang]

I have zero problem with sin taxes. Tthey are completely voluntary. If it is a tax, it's on a lack of self control.

That would be the very definition of "your problem" if that were the case.

The lottery has been legal for decades.. I only play it once every blue moon.

 

I choose not to play, and therefore do not lose my money.

If i play, i risk. If i don't play, i have no risk. That is up to me. 100%

if i am an addict who has a compulsion to gamble, that question came up long ago and I chose the wrong way.

But that same self-destructive compulsion manifests itself in so many people all the time, and causes major huge problems that cost us all.

Don't believe me? Head out shopping today and try to keep track of the obesity, Not just overweight, but morbid obesity. 

Take a look at the total lack of self control that is waddling around you all day long.

 

It's strange where we pick and choose what we determine that which should be controlled for the good of the individual,  and what we do not.

 

~Bang

[PleaseBlitz]

10 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

You guys aren’t thinking right. What if I opened up a chain of 4 buffalo Wild wing type resturaunts that also had a gambling book in the bar area where patrons could throw down some money on the upcoming game or get there At 11am and put a parlay down on nfl Sunday and eat/drink all day watching it play out. 

 

I hope that’s where we are headed and not just more casinos 

 

 

I think we’re heading towards sportsbook apps. 

[Kilmer17]

I think this is being WAYYY overblown. 

 

There wont be a betting window in a BWWs anymore than there is a craps table in one now. 

 

Also.  What percent increase do people expect over what is currently being wagered illegally?  A couple percent maybe. It will still be easier to call a bookie than it will be to get in a car and drive to a place with cash in hand. 

[zoony]

14 hours ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

Why do care what people do with their money?  Isn’t the Republican position that people should get to keep all their money and do with it what they will?  I figure that if you live in Bum****, Kentucky then the anticipation of seeing whether the numbers you randomly selected match the numbers someone else randomly selected for fun and prizes is the highest form of entertainment you get outside of church bingo, which is also gambling (besides opioids, of course).  

 

Yah I think that is the republican position.  Why are you asking me?  Isnt the dem position to tell people what they can and cant do with their money and help the poor who suck at life?  Why am i asking you?

[PleaseBlitz]

43 minutes ago, zoony said:

 

Yah I think that is the republican position.  Why are you asking me?  Isnt the dem position to tell people what they can and cant do with their money and help the poor who suck at life?  Why am i asking you?

 

I think the Dem position is to decriminalize and have the g’ment regulate the hundred billion dollar industry, rather than have it stay illegal for no real reason. Then use the tax proceeds to help the poor who suck at life. Just like pot if you think about it, in that Dems are really the party of freedom, even if we don’t drape ourselves with the flag and make other superficial gestures. 

[zoony]

1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

I think the Dem position is to decriminalize and have the g’ment regulate the hundred billion dollar industry, rather than have it stay illegal for no real reason. Then use the tax proceeds to help the poor who suck at life. Just like pot if you think about it, in that Dems are really the party of freedom, even if we don’t drape ourselves with the flag and make other superficial gestures. 

 

I think anyone who thinks that their political party is `the party of freedom` is either dangerous, brainwashed, or a grade a dumbass.  Or all 3

[PleaseBlitz]

Just now, zoony said:

 

I think anyone who thinks that their political party is `the party of freedom` is either dangerous, brainwashed, or a grade a dumbass.  Or all 3

 

I think when there are 2 options, and one’s position is to fill up the jails, criminalize all activity not supported by the bible, and cut the social safety net to give a $1.5 trillion tax cut to their benefactors, all the while convincing their voters that the government is a week away from declaring marshall law at any given moment, I think you’d have to be a grade A dumbass to disagree. 

[zoony]

2 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

I think when there are 2 options, and one’s position is to fill up the jails, criminalize all activity not supported by the bible, and cut the social safety net to give a $1.5 trillion tax cut to their benefactors, all the while convincing their voters that the government is a week away from declaring marshall law at any given moment, I think you’d have to be a grade A dumbass to disagree. 

 

Well, i am a grade a dumbass.  I win!

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

14 minutes ago, zoony said:

I think anyone who thinks that their political party is `the party of freedom` is either dangerous, brainwashed, or a grade a dumbass.  Or all 3

https://gop.com/history/

 

Too easy.

[Kilmer17]

Cool.  Another **** the GOP thread!

[zoony]

29 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said:

Cool.  Another **** the GOP thread!

 

"Forum" you mean

 

Though i do take great enjoyment in being labeled as gop, i must admit

[Kosher Ham]

Sports betting has been going on seemingly forever. 

Zero reason for it to be illegal. 

Not to mention, even folks that have no interest in sports...throw a few bucks in an office pool, a friendly wager, a march madness bracket, fantasy football, etc.  

 

[pjfootballer]

Adults have free will and choices. Do drugs, drink, gamble or smoke at your own peril. Has nothing to do with political parties or rich vs poor. No one is twisting anyone’s arm. 

 

We now know how dangerous smoking is compared to 20, 30 or 40 years ago, yet I still see 20 year olds smoking. Stupid is as stupid does and I don’t feel a bit sorry for them. 

 

Why does every thread in the tailgate have to morph into a friggin’ political debate? **** gets old. 

[Springfield]

4 hours ago, zoony said:

 

"Forum" you mean

 

Though i do take great enjoyment in being labeled as gop, i must admit

 

Its just that curmudgeon is synonymous with gop...

 

 

 

[Mr. Sinister]

11 hours ago, Bang said:

I have zero problem with sin taxes. Tthey are completely voluntary. If it is a tax, it's on a lack of self control.

That would be the very definition of "your problem" if that were the case.

The lottery has been legal for decades.. I only play it once every blue moon.

 

I choose not to play, and therefore do not lose my money.

If i play, i risk. If i don't play, i have no risk. That is up to me. 100%

if i am an addict who has a compulsion to gamble, that question came up long ago and I chose the wrong way.

But that same self-destructive compulsion manifests itself in so many people all the time, and causes major huge problems that cost us all.

Don't believe me? Head out shopping today and try to keep track of the obesity, Not just overweight, but morbid obesity. 

Take a look at the total lack of self control that is waddling around you all day long.

 

I see it, and it's sad, not because I think they lack self control, but because the foods they likely eat, are rife with addictive chemicals or misleading info, that makes them likely to exert less self control, crave it more, buy it more, eat it more, blow up more/get sick, and make money for fit, rich assholes that do not always care about their well being, just their money.

 

You may take away some external risk (bookies, loan sharks, etc), and they'll hammer that home, and be right about it, in a way, but the problem is still there for the individual, and at the end of the day, money talks louder than people.

 

They may not be fully aware of where their limits are initially. Maybe they just go for fun and win, and figure they can keep doing it until their luck runs out, but that's always how it goes. It's the same with food, it's the same with prescription meds, it's the same with drinking, smoking, etc, and too often it becomes a "You know/knew the risks, tough ****" meanwhile all kinds of stuff is subtlely and overtly thrown at you to entice you to partake, and when you do, and can't stop, welp...

 

Not saying there is a perfect solution, just that some solutions create new problems, problems not always apparent from the outset. And I'm not sure there are enough people out there looking out for one another as it is, so yeah, some people need to be protected from themselves. Just tge way it is. Not everyone can adequately exercise self control, and those tgat can't should not be left to their own devices, in a vacuum.

 

We are not ready to take on more and more responsibility with some of these societal and technological changes.

[Destino]

23 hours ago, zoony said:

But at least it fills education coffers rather than casino moguls, so theres that

That's not a small difference. 

 

23 hours ago, tshile said:

Prohibition of victimless crimes doesn’t make sense.

A lot of things considered "victimless crimes" prove to be fairly destructive upon closer inspection.  Safeguards and regulations are often needed. I wouldn't be against gambling licenses being required to bet over a certain amount annually (or monthly). 

 

 

 

[tshile]

It’s not a problem until there is an addiction or some gross irresponsibility. 

 

Which you can say about a ton of things that aren’t legal. Yet for some things it’s the justification for making them illegal. 

 

It’s not logical where the lines are drawn. Often has to do with something else. 

 

It gets even more interesting when you start to actually weigh it against the destructiveness of the prohibition. Like mafia, gang, or cartel gaining money and power and roots in neighborhoods. 

[TheGreatBuzz]

6 hours ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

I think when there are 2 options, and one’s position is to fill up the jails, criminalize all activity not supported by the bible, and cut the social safety net to give a $1.5 trillion tax cut to their benefactors, all the while convincing their voters that the government is a week away from declaring marshall law at any given moment, I think you’d have to be a grade A dumbass to disagree. 

I love how discussions that involve the two parties never is a "look how great my party is" but quickly just becomes "we aren't AS bad as your party though".

 

'Merica

[Bang]

I can appreciate that perspective, Mr. Sinister.

 

~Bang

[zoony]

On 5/14/2018 at 3:07 PM, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

 

I had two cousins who were bookies when I was growing up. It always struck me as weird when I learned that there were people who didn't bet on NFL games.