COWBOY-KILLA- Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 @Renegade7 I totally agree. As an additional point, you think the GOP or Trump thinks about the dems feelings or the appearances their moves will make? Or the division their policies might cause? TheY don’t give a rats ***. If the Dems ever want to be taken seriously, bring that same fervor and willingness to go for yourS regardless of how anyone feels about it. If there is a revolt or the GOP supporters try and intimidate the will of the people in anyway then you squash it. Hard, fast, and throughly...all while adhering the rule of law. I’m an independent and my probLem w/ the Dems is how damn soft they are in going for theirs. Believe in it and get it the **** done. Quit being so willing to compromise and scared of the repercussions. Stop worrying what people will think. Be ready for the collateral damage. That’s why you have these yahoos doing mock lynchings on the governors lawn, they know ain’t nobody gonna do anything about it. That’s why they show up inside the state capital armed to the teeth, scaring everyone in their way. That’s why Trump has shat on every untested but accepted convention regarding executive power and firing IG’s and pushing every limit he can regarding his power. All I’m advocating for is a little friggen backbone and conviction in the principles you stand for. Power to the People! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Yes Dems need to be more willing to drop down to the GOP level. That's why I love AOC, she calls them out on their BS and in public too. I'm tired of playing nice with these morons. Call them out for what they are and stop catering to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 @COWBOY-KILLA- has to be different, not the same. GOP pulls out the worst of us to get what they want then convince their base it's in their best interest even when it's not. That's not the way to do it, otherwise we are lost. AOC does have the type of backbone Dems need, but she isn't lying to make her points. And I love her to death, but she needs a better answer on what Democratic Socialism is next time she gets asked about it, because Bernie left her for dead on that one. What we need are more Katie Porter's, not AOC's, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COWBOY-KILLA- Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 @Renegade7 yeah I’m not a AOC super fan by any stretch, never mentioned her. She has the right spirit but not the right policy’s yet imo. I don’t fall along normal factions or camps of the Democratic Party. I’m not advocating to doing it exactly like the GOP does it. I’m advocating for doing what is right and best for as many people in the US as possible. It’s a tough balancing act for sure. The specifics of policy can be sorted out once they take power but the spirit fight and will need to be similar. It isn’t about lowering the bar, it’s about raising the bar for whats best for the people as a whole. The truth is usually found somewhere in the middle. Love me some Katie Porter, funny you mention her cuz I’d love to see her get some VP pub, but I guess she wouldn’t bring enough people w/ her. Just get tough and fight for what you believe in, Like your life depended on it. And from the looks of the current state of things, it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 33 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Yes Dems need to be more willing to drop down to the GOP level. Not that my opinion really matters for much but I think this is horrible. I didn't leave one **** party just to see the other become a **** party. I want to see that the high road can still win. I don't know how to do that but it is not my job to. I don't want their advice on how to fix a helicopter, they shouldn't need my advice on how to lead a party and a country. They just want their helicopter to fly, its up to me to make it happen. I just want a party that can lead in a respectful manner, its up to them to make it happen. I do like a lot of what AOC does, even when I don't agree with her desired outcome. Just lay out the facts to show why someone is ****ed up. Don't twist or cherry-pick. There is enough ammo there without doing that. Which reminds me, what happened to Bloomberg running all those ads laying out why the GOP is a **** show? I think they were quite effective. Did he just take his money and go home? I thought he said he would keep it up even if he wasn't the nominee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 49 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Yes Dems need to be more willing to drop down to the GOP level. That's why I love AOC, she calls them out on their BS and in public too. I'm tired of playing nice with these morons. Call them out for what they are and stop catering to them. I think there is plenty of space for Dems to wield power (hopefully they get it) without governing specifically to "own" the other party (which is the GOP level). Republicans are going to **** and moan socialism no matter what, so Dems should just live their convictions and if that results in Republicans feeling run over, well, as we've all heard, elections have consequences. 12 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Which reminds me, what happened to Bloomberg running all those ads laying out why the GOP is a **** show? I think they were quite effective. Did he just take his money and go home? I thought he said he would keep it up even if he wasn't the nominee. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/15/mike-bloomberg-plots-spending-blitz-to-back-joe-biden-campaign.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Simple slogan for Joe Biden's campaign and one liner for each debate (provided there are any), "4 percent of the world's population and 30 percent of the covid-19 deaths." This was accurate as of last Wednesday. The 30 percent is likely to increase as the months roll along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Just now, Busch1724 said: Simple slogan for Joe Biden's campaign and one liner for each debate (provided there are any), "4 percent of the world's population and 30 percent of the covid-19 deaths." This was accurate as of last Wednesday. The 30 percent is likely to increase as the months roll along. I think that is a bad tactic because we know we aren't getting accurate reporting out of many places (including the US). Use facts that are easier to back up, like a plan being left for how to deal with this that was ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said: It doesn't really matter which proposals I agree with either totally or on some level. Unless the Dems take full control (which scares me in its own right, I don't like the idea of either party having total control), what is the plan to get ANYTHING done? The GOP will just do everything they can to stop even the most reasonable Dem proposal. Who cares if Biden gets full control or not, he's not going to pass any kind of legislation that is anything other than luke warm. If he does get full control...what a waste... Would've love to have seen someone like Sanders or Warren with control of the house and senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Really makes you think. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 46 minutes ago, Simmsy said: Who cares if Biden gets full control or not, he's not going to pass any kind of legislation that is anything other than luke warm. If he does get full control...what a waste... Would've love to have seen someone like Sanders or Warren with control of the house and senate. You should read that Vox article I posted that began this line of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 b/c GOP pollster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Cooked Crack said: Really makes you think. 🤔 Did she then express bafflement at how magnets worked? As far as the "one party controlling all of government thing" a couple points: 1) Even if the Dems win the Senate and retain the House they won't have control of SCOTUS. SCOTUS is going to be right wing majority for a while now and it's going to be pretty bad. 2) I'd much rather have one person with ADHD driving a car and another with dyslexia navigating than a completely drunk person driving a car and a sadistic sociopath navigating. At least the first two are probably well meaning. Even though they'll likely make some mistakes along the way, at least they're not either completely oblivious to the harm they may cause us or others on the road, or actively trying to do as much harm as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 There is a massive difference between Dems debasing themselves by lowering to GOP levels and Dems actually wielding power. make no mistake, Dems winning full control from an incumbent GOP president can only be viewed as a complete and total repudiation of the GOP platform and direction for the country. they should not be afraid to wield the power the nation bestowed upon them and push thru their legislation in the most effective ways possible. Dems can’t afford to play nice and pass one policy and wait for the next Republican to come thru and push us further into anarchy and fascism. they need to bring their vision to America and let people see and experience their idea of equality, justice, accountability, compassion, and decency. For me, that would start with the passing of a new Voting Rights Act to safeguard the sanctity our democracy and ensure that equal voting opportunity for all. that will be one of the biggest actions taken they can ensure we never are put in this position again This will be the busiest and most crucial “first 100 days” in our lifetime. This is not simply a standard transition of power. This is the resuscitation of America from its dying breath. biden and his team need to be ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Has he gotten Secret Service protection yet? I know I read a while back that he suspiciously didn't have SS protection yet when a candidate normally would by now in every other election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Has he gotten Secret Service protection yet? I know I read a while back that he suspiciously didn't have SS protection yet when a candidate normally would by now in every other election. I believe he's had SS protection since mid March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 It's still absolutely wild to me that "mask shaming" and "mask virtue signaling" in the middle of the deadliest pandemic in 100 years is actually now a thing. I mean ****ing hell. Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 26 minutes ago, clietas said: I believe he's had SS protection since mid March So the Dems are the real Nazis! 😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 You Peeps are funny. The Rumpster is the worst president in history (no need to spend 1000's of words describing something that is obvious) That said, the GOP has three goals. 1. Tax cuts for the Rich 2. Protect and enrich Corporations 3. Screw the bottom 90-95 percent of the population It doesn't matter what they say, what BS they decide to sell, their existence since the 70's or so has been the three goals. Stop and think about what I just said. The base is brainwashed - 2nd Amendment, Socialism BS comments, Supply-Side Economics BS speaches, Obamacare is the devil, and on and on and on. The tax cuts and such in reality only help the rich and hurt most of their base, but Fox Opinion (News) et al do such a good job at brainwashing that it doesn't matter. The GOP is also a coordinated machine with one voice, the rich billionaires. They drive the message, the money and the policy. Even the Rumpster knows that. The Democrats are a bunch of groups of voices with different agendas and no true coordinated effort like the GOP. Did you know that a majority of the country is actually left of center. That a majority actually agrees with Warren that the rich should be taxed more. The GOP machine has done such a good job it is not noticed. A couple of examples since I don't want to ramble. In the 80's Reagan gave a tax cut even though he burst the defense budget and put the country into debt. Bush II gave a tax cut amid an expensive war and burst the federal deficit. The Rumpster gave a tax cut, that did nothing for the economy and the majority of tax payers will actually pay more in taxes, and burst the federal deficit. And, the GOP just proposed another tax cut. All these tax cuts failed, meaning they failed to do what the GOP said they were going to do. Except, for accomplishing what they actually wanted to do. The rich and corporations have gotten much richer while everyone else has progressed slowly. Do you think all that BS talk from the GOP under Obama about bursting the federal deficit was true. A propaganda machine to stop Obama passing his policies. No more or less. The GOP is now just a far right machine with no inkling to compromise. Until the electorate understands that and gives control to the Dems, nothing will change. I mean McConnell's sole objective these four years is to vote Republican judges in. Only policy he cares about passing has to follow rules 1-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 49 minutes ago, clietas said: I believe he's had SS protection since mid March I believe that is about when he got it as well. I know there was discussion of him having it, I can't be 100% sure when it began, but sometime in March sounds right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Just now, Rufus T Firefly said: I believe that is about when he got it as well. I know there was discussion of him having it, I can't be 100% sure when it began, but sometime in March sounds right. They give the front runner protection. But, it is token compared to what the president gets. I remember a McCain rally where the Secret Service setup a couple of regular cars at the back of the rally in case they needed to get the Senator away quickly. The Commish of NYPD gets more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fred Jones said: You Peeps are funny. The Rumpster is the worst president in history (no need to spend 1000's of words describing something that is obvious) I mean, I don't disagree with anything you said here. I'm just not clear which of us "peeps" this makes funny, or how/why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 3 hours ago, PleaseBlitz said: You should read that Vox article I posted that began this line of discussion. Link me up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, Simmsy said: Link me up? https://www.vox.com/2020/5/26/21257648/joe-biden-climate-economy-tax-plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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