Dan T. Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 12 hours ago, visionary said: The Democratic campaign ads write themselves. The GOP doesn't give a **** about you, your health, or your right to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I appreciate Bernie dropping out now. There is no reason to drag this thing out. The sensible progressives will get in the big tent and the radical socialists will continue whining into oblivion. None of this would have changed no matter how long Bernie kept going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted April 8, 2020 Author Share Posted April 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, No Excuses said: I appreciate Bernie dropping out now. There is no reason to drag this thing out. The sensible progressives will get in the big tent and the radical socialists will continue whining into oblivion. None of this would have changed no matter how long Bernie kept going. So, will the remaining states still have primaries? Probably, since there are other races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I wonder how many of his fans turn on him now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 13 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said: That's after 2020. The GOP is sowing the seeds of the second civil war. a lot of them have been doing that since i've been on-planet, while many of "the good republicans" during that time promoted denial, dismissal, and ridicule at the idea that these different sickass moronic sub-groups even existed in any numbers worth noting, let alone that they were collectively the bulk of their cesspool of a political party (some minor credit to some gopers for the short-lived weak effort some years ago where the gop made a faux pass at looking at the issues) fact-denying from beginning to end is a major part of the party's foundation they need to be absolutely eviscerated as a political arm of significant power and some of its component demographics' beliefs/views treated as high-priority social problems that need to be rectified in every way legally possible, at minimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted April 8, 2020 Author Share Posted April 8, 2020 Bernie gave an ok concession speech. He still expects his voters to vote for him, so he can amass delegates and have leverage at the convention. He will stay on the ballot. He wants to influence the platform. I don't expect the hard core Bernie Bros. to vote for Biden. They are pissed today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 If Bernie doesn’t campaign hard for Biden, his legacy will be getting Donald Trump elected twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: If Bernie doesn’t campaign hard for Biden, his legacy will be getting Donald Trump elected twice. I have no doubt that he will. He campaigned hard for Hillary too. The problem with Bernie is not so much Bernie but the people who are attracted to his movement. He’s pushed a lot of good ideas that were once radical to the mainstream of liberal politics. But people with radical ideas attract all kinds of unsavory folks along the way too, and for Bernie these were folks who think Stalin and Mao did nothing wrong. These people were also never going to vote for a capitalist liberal anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerm Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Glad to see Bernie drop out, it felt way overdue. It seems like Super Tuesday was a long time ago, but it was only a little more than a month ago (March 3rd). Prior to that, wasn't Bernie considered to be technically in the lead? I was thinking about how different the current political situation would have been if Super Tuesday would have been delayed due to the Corona virus. Would the race be considered a tossup/too close to call? If a bunch of places expanded mail in voting... would that have made any difference in the results? Also, with a few candidates dropping out just before Super Tuesday to help biden, would they have dropped out if Super Tuesday was postponed for a month or two? As much political tension as there is now, I think it would be much more intense if there was no clarity on who the Dem nominee would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, No Excuses said: I have no doubt that he will. He campaigned hard for Hillary too. The problem with Bernie is not so much Bernie but the people who are attracted to his movement. He’s pushed a lot of good ideas that were once radical to the mainstream of liberal politics. But people with radical ideas attract all kinds of unsavory folks along the way too, and for Bernie these were folks who think Stalin and Mao did nothing wrong. These people were also never going to vote for a capitalist liberal anyways. He did not campaign hard for Hillary. His support was lukewarm and transparent, and many of his supporters took that cue. His radical supporters are a lost cause, and most of his supporters will vote for Biden/against Trump. But there is a tranche of his supporters that will again take their cue from Bernie, so we’ll see what he does. If his goal is to slow play his support and just try to influence the platform, then his legacy will be tarnished forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I'd have voted Bernie had he won the nomination...and I severely dislike the dude and his bros. Almost anyone is better than the MAGA/GOP crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: He did not campaign hard for Hillary. His support was lukewarm and transparent, and many of his supporters took that cue. I disagree. After the convention, Bernie was very actively engaged in turning out support for Hillary. Lots of campaign rallies, going to union halls, through his own email list: https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/bernie-sanderss-hard-fight-for-hillary-clinton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PleaseBlitz Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, No Excuses said: I disagree. After the convention, Bernie was very actively engaged in turning out support for Hillary. Lots of campaign rallies, going to union halls, through his own email list: https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/bernie-sanderss-hard-fight-for-hillary-clinton I guess it’s a matter of perception. Did he do rallies? Yep. Was his support of Clinton full-throated? Nope. Did he continue to push his own agenda? Yep. Did some of his supporters pick up on that? Definitely. https://www.bostonherald.com/2016/09/06/lukewarm-bernie-sanders-tries-to-flip-support-to-hillary-clinton/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Those folks on Reddit right now are completely insufferable and not a representation of the country at large. Anyone voting for Trump now that Bernie has dropped out wasn't even a Bernie Bro, they are worse, a minority, and Dems can win without them. If Virginia plays games in November, which I doubt, I'll still get in line to vote. I don't know if we have enough time to iron out statewide mail-in ballots, waiting for them please please prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: I guess it’s a matter of perception. Did he do rallies? Yep. Was his support of Clinton full-throated? Nope. Did he continue to push his own agenda? Yep. Did some of his supporters pick up on that? Definitely. A lot of Bernie supporters didn't vote for Hillary as a protest vote assuming she would win anyway. Anyone that plans to do that again in 2020 wasn't going to vote for Biden no matter what Bernie said. I plan to Ignore them, I'm open to any reasoning why we shouldn't, but I don't see it. The coalition to take back the house, wasn't progressives, they don't vote remember? Moderates got us the house back, will get us back the senate and the White House. If even AOC gets that, why should we care what some Twitter trolls think? https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/aoc-pledges-to-support-biden-if-he-wins-nomination.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 For the record, I don’t think the group of voters that Bernie has the influence to sway is huge; I think it’s like 10-20% of his voters. But that is enough to matter and the stakes are enormous. 3 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: If even AOC gets that, why should we care what some Twitter trolls think? I assume she received a whole bunch of scary snake emojis on Twitter for this depravity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: For the record, I don’t think the group of voters that Bernie has the influence to sway is huge; I think it’s like 10-20% of his voters. But that is enough to matter and the stakes are enormous. Fair, but to be clear, are talking 10%-20% of the country, party, or his base? How many Bernie supporters really are not going to vote for Biden based on what Bernie does? I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I'm just saying I think that it is small enough accept it being out of his control anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: I assume she received a whole bunch of scary snake emojis on Twitter for this depravity. I must of missed it, I haven't even seen her swinging on folks if they did like she did when she first got elected. She seems more focused on her city getting its ass kicked right now by Covid, which I understand and respect. She's far from perfect, but learning fast, like when to balance her values with how and when she supports different folks or topics. I'm not expecting her to moderate her positions, just it's obvious she's protecting her own political aspirations and her affect on the progressive movement as Bernie's heir apparent. I don't agree with everything she says or does, but I personally, not speaking for anyone else, won't underestimate her going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 35 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Fair, but to be clear, are talking 10%-20% of the country, party, or his base? How many Bernie supporters really are not going to vote for Biden based on what Bernie does? I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I'm just saying I think that it is small enough accept it being out of his control anyway. His primary voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said: His primary voters. So about 800k-1.6million? I get it, just depends on where they are whether to lose sleep about it, right? How many of them are in Wisconsin or Ohio vs California and New York? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Well that didn’t take long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 ^^^ Haven't you got more important things to be doing, you depraved sack of ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, Renegade7 said: So about 800k-1.6million? I get it, just depends on where they are whether to lose sleep about it, right? How many of them are in Wisconsin or Ohio vs California and New York? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I still dont understand how a legit Sanders supporter could ever vote Republican let alone for Trump. I voted for Sanders in the last 2 primaries but I haven't voted for a Republican in twenty years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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