Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread

[Rufus T Firefly]

Posted without comment.

 

 

[twa]

On 3/31/2020 at 8:06 PM, Hersh said:

I know the site and reputable sites still do click bait. It's absurd to the nth degree to have hillary on that list. 

 

and if Biden dies or is incapacitated"

[LadySkinsFan]

Kushner, the man for all seasons.

[88Comrade2000]

3 hours ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Short of him getting sick or some other unforeseen catastrophe, there is no way Biden isn't the nominee. You need to let that go.

 

And Cuomo is terrible, btw. Gives a good press conference, hooray. As little as I am excited about Biden, I'd rather him than freaking Cuomo. 

Until he's officially the nominee, no and he won't be officially the nominee until August 17.  He has to still get the 1991 and that won't happen until late June.

[Rufus T Firefly]

42 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Until he's officially the nominee, no and he won't be officially the nominee until August 17.  He has to still get the 1991 and that won't happen until late June.

He needs to win about 45% of the remaining delegates in a two way race he's leading in the polls by 20+ points. He's taken 53% of the delegates in a crowded field where the map is now more favorable and he has one opponent remaining who people are thoroughly rejecting. This is why 538 gives him better than a 99% chance of reaching a majority. 

 

So yes, it would take a catastrophe for it not to happen.

 

Of course, he dent even have to to hit 1991. He needs to get somewhere in the ballpark of it and then the superdelegates will put him over the top on the second ballot. Not to mention the majority of Warren and Bloomberg delagates will go for him. 

 

I didn't want any part of Biden as the nominee, either. But that doesn't mean I'm going to try to rewrite the rules of math to make myself believe some miracle is coming. 

[skinsmarydu]

What in the Blue Sam Holy Hell is going on here???

I just got my "application for absentee ballot" in the mail. 

THEY KNOW I'M PETRIFIED OF OPENING MAIL!!!

 

#conspiracy 

[88Comrade2000]

11 hours ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

He needs to win about 45% of the remaining delegates in a two way race he's leading in the polls by 20+ points. He's taken 53% of the delegates in a crowded field where the map is now more favorable and he has one opponent remaining who people are thoroughly rejecting. This is why 538 gives him better than a 99% chance of reaching a majority. 

 

So yes, it would take a catastrophe for it not to happen.

 

Of course, he dent even have to to hit 1991. He needs to get somewhere in the ballpark of it and then the superdelegates will put him over the top on the second ballot. Not to mention the majority of Warren and Bloomberg delagates will go for him. 

 

I didn't want any part of Biden as the nominee, either. But that doesn't mean I'm going to try to rewrite the rules of math to make myself believe some miracle is coming. 

Biden chances are about 98% that He's the nominee.  If this goes to a second round, he should get the nomination quickly.   The only thing that would change that, if Joe himself demonstrated before the convention; the Dems need to get someone else. With the campaign on hold basically; people aren't seeing Joe much. So, there's less chance for him to mess.  Now, if dirt comes out on Biden; then that could change the equation. Say, more women claim stuff?  

 

We are over 4 months from the convention; who knows what happens.

 

I think the pandemic has derailed Joe's campaign. Despite Trump's poor response to the pandemic and his stupid press conferences; he's staying in the public eye. Joe is forgotten. How things are in October will determine the election.  If we have some semblance of a normal life and the virus is under control and the economy has rebounded; I think  Trump wins. Also, the second wave hasn't started; that also helps Trump. Enough people will be reluctent to make a change.

 

Now, if things are the opposite; Trump is toast.

[DiscoBob]

I never post in the Tailgate, and usually avoid talking politics online because everyone seems to want to talk in superlatives...

 

Anyways, I'll give this a shot...

Like many people (I assume) this whole COVID-19 thing has made me very angry toward the garbage government in China.  I'm not talking about the people there, based on all my experiences, they are great.

 

Anyways, as I look forward to the coming presidential election, my new most important issue is which candidate is going to more effectively rally the world to slam China for their handling of this mess.  I'm generally a conservative voter, but didn't vote for Trump or Hillary in the last election.  However, given this situation, I find myself embracing Trumps brash attack dog personality in the hopes that he is able to turn that against China in the next couple of months.

 

Wondering if anyone else is feeling similarly

[The Evil Genius]

If you don't trust a toddler to make important decisions for your household, why would you trust a toddler to do the same with the country?

 

Trump is a toddler.

[The 12th Commandment]

Trump will have some internet tough guy worthy soundbites but nothing will come of it.  Nothing ever does.  It's all trumped up bull****.  A sane adult will make sure China doesn't drop the ball so heinously again in a way that may not be as satisfying to your inner child but will be more effective.  Or at least I believe that's more likely to be the outcome.

[Rufus T Firefly]

18 minutes ago, DiscoBob said:

Wondering if anyone else is feeling similarly

To vote for a pathologically lying con man whose incompetence is causing the death of countless Americans and compounding the issue by choosing corporate profits and political payback over trying to help areas of the country that desperately need it, just because he's going to say some insulting things about China?

 

Dear god, I hope not. 

[visionary]

More worried about us all just making it to the election at this point, in large part to his constant bungling of this crisis.  But if we want to talk about being tough on China, Trump’s main ‘strategy’ is to say mean things and then cut deals or badly attempt to cut deals that undermine everything he says.

[Renegade7]

36 minutes ago, visionary said:

More worried about us all just making it to the election at this point, in large part to his constant bungling of this crisis.  But if we want to talk about being tough on China, Trump’s main ‘strategy’ is to say mean things and then cut deals or badly attempt to cut deals that undermine everything he says.

 

This.

 

Talk is cheap, and blind sanctions without international backing will be worse, it was destroying US agriculture before we even got to this point.

 

Edit: in your first point, like how almost every in person or phone conversation I have ends with some form of "stay safe" now, seems natural which is a good thing

[visionary]

 

 

 

[visionary]

Snake emojis incoming.....

[PleaseBlitz]

2 hours ago, DiscoBob said:

Wondering if anyone else is feeling similarly

Nope. My main issue is electing someone who is competent in executing the office, not someone who views a crisis through the lens of how it effects him, personally. Someone who will heed the advice of experts, not his unqualified son in law and TV pundits.  Someone with an iota of compassion towards people who are suffering, not mainly concerned with the stock market. Someone who won’t accuse nurses of stealing medical equipment because (he thinks) it explains away his failures. Not really interested in tough, but ultimately hollow, talk. 

[Renegade7]

30 minutes ago, visionary said:

Snake emojis incoming.....

 

 

"Snake? Snake?? Snaaaaaaaake???"

 

 

 

...one candidates enemy is another's VP...

[DiscoBob]

17 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

Nope. My main issue is electing someone who is competent in executing the office, not someone who views a crisis through the lens of how it effects him, personally. Someone who will heed the advice of experts, not his unqualified son in law and TV pundits.  Someone with an iota of compassion towards people who are suffering, not mainly concerned with the stock market. Someone who won’t accuse nurses of stealing medical equipment because (he thinks) it explains away his failures. Not really interested in tough, but ultimately hollow, talk. 

 

Thanks for the reply.  I think you've vastly overstated some of Trump's warts (which obviously exist).  One example being your comment about his hollow talk - there is some of that for sure, but I have not viewed his previous stances and actions toward China as hollow.  They certainly werent enough to effect systematic change, but they we much more real than previous administrations (both R and D).  But as I said in my original post, debating those points online is exhausting.  So I'll leave it here...

 

Anyways - have a good one, and stay safe 👍

 

[PleaseBlitz]

4 minutes ago, DiscoBob said:

 

Thanks for the reply.  I think you've vastly overstated some of Trump's warts (which obviously exist).  One example being your comment about his hollow talk - there is some of that for sure, but I have not viewed his previous stances and actions toward China as hollow.  They certainly werent enough to effect systematic change, but they we much more real than previous administrations (both R and D).  But as I said in my original post, debating those points online is exhausting.  So I'll leave it here...

 

Anyways - have a good one, and stay safe 👍

 

China has run circles around Trump, unfortunately. It’s because they let their trade experts run the trade “war” that Trump thought made him look good/tough politically. And it will have real long term negative effects on America’s standing as the primary economic superpower.  
 

You also have a good one on this delightful Friday afternoon. 
 

 

[TradeTheBeal!]

When Liz talks, I listen.

 

You should too.

[88Comrade2000]

China needs to be kicked out of the WTO.  The U.S. needs to stop relying on China.  The next president must identify the key industries/products that need to have at least a couple of U.S. manufacturers.  Use incentives to make that happen and if noone steps up; then the government needs to step up and buy a facility.  Oh, no; isn't that socialism? You can't have key items like masks, protective equipment, drugs, etc... made in foreign countries.   This a national security issue and that would be the grounds the president would use to justify what I propose. 

 

China is a hostile, communist authoritarian state and we a relying on getting key products from there?   We need to reduce our reliance on China.

 

That should definitely be an issue discussed between Biden and Trump in the fall.  China is major issue for the 2020 presidential election.  Not only trade, but how they handled the virus outbreak.  Their secretiveness played a role in it spreading elsewhere.  Those are key issues for this fall election.

[LadySkinsFan]

Remember Trump and family got lucrative trademarks from the Chinese government, so any "toughness" Trump has "exhibited" was a sham, like everything he and his family of minions do.

[Riggo-toni]

8 hours ago, skinsmarydu said:

What in the Blue Sam Holy Hell is going on here???

I just got my "application for absentee ballot" in the mail. 

THEY KNOW I'M PETRIFIED OF OPENING MAIL!!!

 

#conspiracy 

#kempanthraxforsuspecteddemvoters

17 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said:

Remember Trump and family got lucrative trademarks from the Chinese government, so any "toughness" Trump has "exhibited" was a sham, like everything he and his family of minions do.

And he got the first literally the day after he announced he would after all support the One China policy...

[visionary]

 

[LadySkinsFan]

Again, he's such a dick.