Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread

[visionary]

 

[88Comrade2000]

Tulsi really needs to drop out.  She may only get 10 votes total in NV.

Tom needs to drop out, even though he could finish 3rd and over 15% in SC.

Amy needs to drop. NH was her peak. She has no support elsewhere other than MN. Her votes could go to Pete. or Joe.

Pete probably needs to drop out after Super Tuesday, when he won't win anywhere. He has no minority support.

Lizzie needs to drop out. She has no real path foward.

 

Joe has the older black vote which will give him some states but it will not be enough to overcome Bernie's huge delegate lead.

 

Mike- won't know until 3/3 but it's unlikely he goes far.

 

Bernie can keep on winning his 25 to 30% share of the vote and that will take him to huge delegate lead that noone can pass.

The Democratic race for president is effectively over.  To many people are in the race and it's likely noone drops out before 

Super Tuesday. By then it will be too late.  

 

Bernie is the only candidate that really has an intense and passionate voting base.  Joy Reid was discussing how the candidate with the most passionate supporters is usually the one who gets the nomination.  Bernie could win the lions share of delegates in TX & CA.  Noone can overcome that.

 

I think the Dems needs to focus on the congressional & Senate races.  Somehow get enough people to come out despite Sanders being the nominee; so Trump can't completely run rough shot in his 2nd term.

 

I know Bernie & supporters believe they will have their revolution that will sweep Bernie and the Dems into full control.  If it happens, more power to them.  I will believe when I see it. Bernie has a majority of Gen Zers and Millentials.  He has young blacks and latinos.  He also has alot of older latinos apparently??   They will have to come out in record numbers in the key states and be more than what Trump gets.

 

What happened in 2018 isn't a guide for 2020.  Trump is on the ballot now and his opponent will be a Socialist.  Trump will actually increase his vote totals in 2020; even though he will lose the popular vote by a larger margin.  I don't see Bernie flipping enough states to get to 270 and honestly it seems unlikely he flips any state and Trump actually may flip some states since Bernie will be his opponent.   Alot of the older voters: Gen-X, Baby Boomers and older will not vote for Bernie unless they are already inclined to vote that way and I don't think many are.   So  Bernie has to hope he brings in more voters  than Trump in key states and he brings more voters than he loses.  They are some Dems who will not vote for Bernie under any circumstance.  That could hurt down the ticket, if they decide not to vote at all.

 

I also think someone will run third party  seeing an opening between Bernie and Trump. 

 

Could I be wrong? Sure.  Maybe Bernie revolution overtakes the Trump revolution.  I'll be shocked if that happens. 

 

I do know if the Dems deny Bernie the nomination when he will have the delegate lead; that will be it for Dems.  Those Bernie voters will stay home or hope Bernie runs third party and other candidates like AOC run third party against Dem congressional and Senate candidates.  That will give the GOP a huge win. Yes, it's true with Bernie the GOP will still win the PResidency but down the ballot there's hope the Dems could still hold the House and win some Senate seats.  

 

[Momma There Goes That Man]

Trump being on the ballot helps Dems more. This is their chance. 2018 was a message sent to hold him accountable and we saw it did not work because of spineless republicans in the senate. They can’t put up with the last 3 years and see him skate on every crime and the sham acquittal in the impeachment trial to simply not show up because they don’t like Bernie. 
 

this is their chance to take matters into their own hands and get him out of office. I don’t care if Bernie is on the ballot. He has a strong message for the working class combined with voters only real chance to hold Trump accountable and remove him from office to save our democracy.  I think turnout is going to be immense. 
 

if Bernie is enough to turn them away? We don’t deserve to win or save this country. 

[Gallen5862]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-has-flipped-the-9th-circuit-—-and-some-new-judges-are-causing-a-shock-wave/ar-BB10gUTy?ocid=spartandhp

 

Trump has flipped the 9th Circuit — and some new judges are causing a 'shock wave'

 

When President Trump ticks off his accomplishments since taking office, he frequently mentions his aggressive makeover of a key sector of the federal judiciary — the circuit courts of appeal, where he has appointed 51 judges to lifetime jobs in three years.

 

In few places has the effect been felt more powerfully than in the sprawling 9th Circuit, which covers California and eight other states. Because of Trump's success in filling vacancies, the San Francisco-based circuit, long dominated by Democratic appointees, has suddenly shifted to the right, with an even more pronounced tilt expected in the years ahead.

 

Trump has now named 10 judges to the 9th Circuit — more than one-third of its active judges — compared with seven appointed by President Obama over eight years.

 

"Trump has effectively flipped the circuit," said 9th Circuit Judge Milan D. Smith Jr., an appointee of President George W. Bush.

[visionary]

2 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

Trump being on the ballot helps Dems more. This is their chance. 2018 was a message sent to hold him accountable and we saw it did not work because of spineless republicans in the senate. They can’t put up with the last 3 years and see him skate on every crime and the sham acquittal in the impeachment trial to simply not show up because they don’t like Bernie. 
 

this is their chance to take matters into their own hands and get him out of office. I don’t care if Bernie is on the ballot. He has a strong message for the working class combined with voters only real chance to hold Trump accountable and remove him from office to save our democracy.  I think turnout is going to be immense. 
 

if Bernie is enough to turn them away? We don’t deserve to win or save this country. 

 

The problem is that a lot of people have checked out long ago and will check back in just in time for Trump tearing Bernie apart on tv or through the media.  It’s hard enough prying people away from Trump as it is.  Bernie might push the ones who don’t like him, but aren’t personally affected by Trump’s actions into his arms or to stay home.  

 

While a lot of folks on the left will be more excited (hopefully this doesn’t mean a lot of anti-MAGA violence and Antifa brawls during the general election) but it’s going to turn a lot of moderates off and keep them unmotivated    Bernie better turn out enough people to make up for it and make sure they vote for congress and local elections too. 

[Spaceman Spiff]

9 hours ago, Destino said:

Where and when is Warren going to win?  At some point she has to prove she can win, by winning. 
 

Bernie is gaining momentum and I wantto know which of these remaining candidates can beat him in a state democrats have a chance of winning in the next presidential election.  He might lose in South Carolina, where no democrat is going to win anyway.  It’s hard for me to care about that even if the media does.  
 

Im interested in how those swing states vote in March,  
 

 

 

I've been wondering why Warren has been propped up as a great candidate yet hasn't won anything.  She's like the Matt Stafford of candidates. 

[Spaceman Spiff]

 

Also, Chris Mathews.  What a dunce.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

Chris Mathews was never credible but good lord he’s gone off the deep end over this Bernie stuff. 

[redskins59]

3 hours ago, visionary said:

 

The problem is that a lot of people have checked out long ago and will check back in just in time for Trump tearing Bernie apart on tv or through the media.  It’s hard enough prying people away from Trump as it is.  Bernie might push the ones who don’t like him, but aren’t personally affected by Trump’s actions into his arms or to stay home.  

 

While a lot of folks on the left will be more excited (hopefully this doesn’t mean a lot of anti-MAGA violence and Antifa brawls during the general election) but it’s going to turn a lot of moderates off and keep them unmotivated    Bernie better turn out enough people to make up for it and make sure they vote for congress and local elections too. 

 

I don't know about that. Polls show Bernie beating Trump. Bernie fights back at least.  How's he going to tear him part so easily?  I mean, Bernie also has a pretty rabid base. Trump tore apart Biden to be honest (kept repeating "Hunter Biden", and I am thinking it had an effect).  How's he going to tear apart Bernie?  Call him a communist?  Yeah, like that's going to have much of an effect.  

I also noticed yesterday (on CNN) that Bernie had a big edge when it came to White males with no college degree (something along the lines of 44% support--now this poll was early in the contest). That's Trump's base right there.

[TheGreatBuzz]

4 minutes ago, redskins59 said:

 show Bernie beating Trump.

Which polls?  National polls don't mean crap.  Look at polls in battleground states. 

 

 

Also, how likely do you all think we are to get student loan forgiveness?  Wondering if we should take out loans to the wife to finish MBA instead of paying for it.

[Going Commando]

7 hours ago, Destino said:

Is anyone really counting on Georgia or the Carolinas?  The black vote is crucial, that’s clear, but nationally the democratic base doesn’t look anything like it will in this South Carolina primary.  There it is mostly black, more conservative, and older.  The south is a strange place for democrats, and it’s likely to stay almost entirely red.  I just don’t see it as being terribly predictive and would prefer it not be framed as such.

 

If Bernie shows that he can get enthusiastic Black voter support in the primaries, I think Georgia, Florida, and North Carolina are in play for him.  I don't know what percentage Black people make up of the electorate in those states, but at least 31% of the total population of Georgia is Black.  22% for North Carolina, and 16% for Florida.  Any Democrat who can intensively turn out the Black vote in those states can win them.  Georgia seems like a long shot, and most of that state is full blown Trump world.  But it is changing.  Stacey Abrams is building an impressively powerful political machine there, and eventually they're going to change that electorate.  North Carolina and Florida are purple states who are in play for Democrats in every election IMO.

[Larry]

7 hours ago, visionary said:

 

 

Your Russian handlers did.  

 

That's why you were backing him.  And feeding his follower's conspiracy theories/.  

[Renegade7]

10 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Which polls?  National polls don't mean crap.  Look at polls in battleground states. 

 

 

Also, how likely do you all think we are to get student loan forgiveness?  Wondering if we should take out loans to the wife to finish MBA instead of paying for it.

 

 Dont bank on it, the only one to endorse Executive Order forgiveness versus raising the money to pay off the loans themselves is Warren.  Look for if Bernie talks that approach and clarifies that's what he'll do instead of raising taxes to give to folks like Navient.

[redskins59]

13 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Which polls?  National polls don't mean crap.  Look at polls in battleground states. 

 

 

Also, how likely do you all think we are to get student loan forgiveness?  Wondering if we should take out loans to the wife to finish MBA instead of paying for it.

 

Polls in battleground states too.  Heck, they all beat Trump right now.  So what makes people think Bernie will lose by a landslide?  

I think he will win states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania (white males no college degree, which is where Bernie is doing well). He will probably lose Florida (Cubans). Besides, Bernie is doing EXTREMELY well among Latinos.  He had, what, a 30%+ lead when looking at only Latino votes yesterday? Maybe there is a chance in Texas.

 

 

As far as student loan forgiveness, medicare for all, what have you,  we are not getting anything that Bernie wants.

 

[Renegade7]

1 minute ago, redskins59 said:

 

As far as student loan forgiveness, medicare for all, what have you,  we are not getting anything that Bernie wants.

 

 

If he sweeps into office and gets the senate for the Dems, he can make the case the electorate wants some of what hes proposing, maybe not all of it.  Put it this way, if Bernie can get the senate, the least they can do for putting them back in power is pass MFA.  But he can only make that case if Dems get the senate back, theres no way if McConnell is still the majority leader. At least not his first term.

[Burgold]

Damn Russia is good. It isn't hard to imagine that Bernie and Trump are both "Russian" candidates.

[redskins59]

1 minute ago, Renegade7 said:

 

If he sweeps into office and gets the senate for the Dems, he can make the case the electorate wants some of what hes proposing, maybe not all of it.  Put it this way, if Bernie can get the senate, the least they can do for putting them back in power is pass MFA.  But he can only make that case if Dems get the senate back, theres no way if McConnell is still the majority leader. At least not his first term.

No matter who the nominee is, they aren't getting anything done without controlling the senate.

[@DCGoldPants]

4 minutes ago, redskins59 said:

No matter who the nominee is, they aren't getting anything done without controlling the senate.

This. 

 

Right now with what feels like Don is getting the general election opponent he and his supporters want. Senate is so very important. Mark Kelly in AZ, Sara Gideon in Maine have good chances. I don't know if Amy McGrath in Kentucky really does. Mitch is still filthy that I don't believe he can lose there until he has. Add in Hickenlooper in Colorado and if f'n Steve Bullock would get off his ass in Montana.

[Simmsy]

8 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

This. 

 

Right now with what feels like Don is getting the general election opponent he and his supporters want. Senate is so very important. Mark Kelly in AZ, Sara Gideon in Maine have good chances. I don't know if Amy McGrath in Kentucky really does. Mitch is still filthy that I don't believe he can lose there until he has. Add in Hickenlooper in Colorado and if f'n Steve Bullock would get off his ass in Montana.

I think you guys give Trump a little too much credit. Sure, Trump says he wants to run against Bernie, but does he actually mean that? The guy lies about everything, especially about having a strategy of any kind about anything.

[Larry]

2 minutes ago, Simmsy said:

I think you guys give Trump a little too much credit. Sure, Trump says he wants to run against Bernie, but does he actually mean that? The guy lies about everything, especially about having a strategy of any kind about anything.

 

Oh, Don doesn't have a strategy for how to cheat at golf when he's the only one playing.  

 

The people who are running him do.  

[@DCGoldPants]

8 minutes ago, Simmsy said:

I think you guys give Trump a little too much credit. Sure, Trump says he wants to run against Bernie, but does he actually mean that? The guy lies about everything, especially about having a strategy of any kind about anything.

 

Saying this as a Jewish guy........ An old jewish guy is probably an easier target in a handful of battleground states than a young veteran gay guy, a woman, or an old former VP who comes off as handsy. Even if he chooses a black woman as his runningmate to get out the black vote. Anti-Semitism seems to be "cool" again in the US and I think there is a reason the bots want Trump v Bernie. The socialism talk (idiots couldn't have come up with a totally different name for what they want?) hurts because the Fox New drones doesn't know what it means. Only that it's evil. 

[Springfield]

So, I think it's high time we come to terms with Bernie Sanders being the democratic candidate.  If you're on the fence, I completely understand.  I'm personally a bit apprehensive about Bernie Sanders being the nominee but I guess I'm going to have to go with it.  Should make for an interesting campaign season.  Two diametrically opposed candidates, both a part of the same coin.

 

I wonder if they'll even have a debate.  I wonder if Bernie can match the wit of Trump on a debate stage.  I wonder if anyone other than a sect of amazingly outspoken progressives will vote for him.  I wonder if Trump will cry foul and claim Russian interference if he loses.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

25 minutes ago, Simmsy said:

I think you guys give Trump a little too much credit. Sure, Trump says he wants to run against Bernie, but does he actually mean that? The guy lies about everything, especially about having a strategy of any kind about anything.

Trump only wants Bernie because he thinks it will be easy to run against a polarizing candidate he can call a socialist. 
 

But since we’ve seen Trump is clearly an idiot in all matters, I’m not sure why he would be considered a good strategist in this case. Russia only wants Bernie because he’s polarizing and they can sow division among Dems which makes it easier for Trump. 

[twa]

 

this reminds me .....the walking dead is coming back.

 

maybe Joe can get a cameo.

 

[bearrock]

1 hour ago, Springfield said:

So, I think it's high time we come to terms with Bernie Sanders being the democratic candidate.  If you're on the fence, I completely understand.  I'm personally a bit apprehensive about Bernie Sanders being the nominee but I guess I'm going to have to go with it.  Should make for an interesting campaign season.  Two diametrically opposed candidates, both a part of the same coin.

 

As someone who is now part of the problem as a centrist democrat (which I never considered myself as such, but apparently if I'm not down with the DSP platform, I'm just all in on continuation of the corruption in this country), I'm close to being out. 

 

The cult of personality, blaming everyone disagreeing with you and the media in some mass conspiracy, blaming all of society's ill on a specific group of people, the purity test, impossible campaign promises with no sign of compromise... I've seen this rodeo before and I'm not sure it's any better just because it's being leveraged on the side of the liberals.

 

As someone who sees from the trenches in the legal field just how much damage Trump has wrought on the rule of law, I don't think I can imagine a worse POTUS without that person going all the way to fascist dictatorship.  The problem is that I'm not convinced that employing the same methods in pursuit of liberal goals are that much of an improvement.  It may even do greater harm in the long run for the country to have both parties do it back to back.  

 

The only advice I can give the Sanders campaign is that given that they are near lock for the nomination (barring last minute consolidation around a single opposition candidate and surviving one last round of Bloomberg carpet bombing), the campaign should quell the us vs centrists talk as much as possible and Sanders better start kissing Obama's ass in public and private.  The only person who I can see holding together the disenchanted "establishment" of the DNC would be Obama.