justice98 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 We coulda saved ourselves a lot of angst had we known they were just gonna hire from within for both coordinator spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, skins island connection said: This is really mind blowing. But, it figures; let every decent DC sign with another team, and then have multiple meetings over what table scraps you might want to consider. Then have Allen trot out to a microphone with a bottle of gin and proudly announce the new DC that they claim was their guy from day 1. Indecisiveness is on a go-cart blazing at full speed at Redskin Park. Please tell me what decent DCs that we had any chance at signing? Only one who you could argue that we had any chance who signed elsewhere is Bradley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arftech Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 What's the skinny on Manusky as a DC? Hail Em Up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetThePointsSoar Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I really WANT to believe. But this choice really is shaking my confidence. He's done nothing through his career to prove differently what the stats show. And his stats as a DC are that he's a below average Def Coord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Give any DC resources and he can succeed. We haven't given the past 2 Das any talent to work with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, spjunkies said: Oh well, he'll be gone after next season along with Jay Jay. I'm curious why you'd assume this. If your take is that coaching is more important than personnel, then isn't Manuskey an upgrade over Barry? If the personnel is more important, do you think Scot won't add enough (and youngsters won't grow enough) to make a difference? Or are you thinking that losing McVay and any other offensive changes will more than offset any gains made on defense? Do you have a bar set for Gruden getting an extension? It will be a strange situation if the team finishes at .500 because you want to see the team progress (in the win/loss column), but at the same time, 3 straight non-losing seasons is quite a change from the our past... particularly if we stick to a focus of building through the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canfan Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, Taylor703 said: The guy has never in his coaching career had a top 10 defense and the closest he came was when he had a world of talent with San Fran. I get why he was hired, nobody else wanted the job. But let's not act like this is some great hire because the players liked him. The players liked Joe Barry as well and he was god awful. Doesn't mean he's not capable of turning around our D in 2017. Maybe he's a true Redskin at heart, and was able to show Jay and Scot exactly how he wants to change our defence to an aggressive attacking scheme. Now we need some nasty football players to make it work. I think he's gonna be much better than what some think around here. As a player he was a mediocre talent that played his guts out all the time. I would be thrilled if he could get that same attitude out of our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Any DC with any kind of options will ALWAYS migrate towards opportunities where a team has talent because everyone, and I mean everyone, in the business knows it's about talent Many fans still think it's the magic playbook. Which is pretty funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Taylor703 said: The guy has never in his coaching career had a top 10 defense and the closest he came was when he had a world of talent with San Fran. I get why he was hired, nobody else wanted the job. But let's not act like this is some great hire because the players liked him. The players liked Joe Barry as well and he was god awful. Lets not act like he is a bad hire. Have seen no one acting like he was a great hire except maybe the current front office (and they kind of have to). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetThePointsSoar Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Darth Tater said: Please tell me what decent DCs that we had any chance at signing? Only one who you could argue that we had any chance who signed elsewhere is Bradley. Gus Bradley (mentioned) Pettine Dennis Thurman In my opinion, all better choices, and have at least had success in the past. Hiring an internal candidate who really has never proven anything just seems like a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, zoony said: Any DC with any kind of options will ALWAYS migrate towards opportunities where a team has talent because everyone, and I mean everyone, in the business knows it's about talent Many fans still think it's the magic playbook. Which is pretty funny Some fans actually think scheme wins titles. Flat out, players win titles. Phil Jackson won 11 titles not because of the triangle, it was because he had Jordan, Pippen, Kobe/Shaq, Bynum/Gasol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilco_holland Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I want to thank Gus Bradley for taking 5 years to decide where he wanted to coach D so we could interview 9943152 people for the D coördinator opening. Now we can say that after 9943152 interviews we came to the conclusion Greg was the best choice. Gus was our number one. He turned us down so we took the guy on staff...who was part of the game plan that sucked. Don't know how I feel about this. I kinda feel bad for Joe and all the other assistant coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, LetThePointsSoar said: Gus Bradley (mentioned) Pettine Dennis Thurman In my opinion, all better choices, and have at least had success in the past. Hiring an internal candidate who really has never proven anything just seems like a stretch. I did mention Bradley was debatable. Was Pettine signed by someone else before we turned him down? Was Thurman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, Darth Tater said: Lets not act like he is a bad hire. Have seen no one acting like he was a great hire except maybe the current front office (and they kind of have to). Didn't say bad but after what they've been trotting out there for the past 7 years they needed to hit this out of the park, they didn't. And I don't agree with Zoony's idea that coaching doesn't really matter. It certainly does as we've seen Crennel, Belichick, Phillips etc turn average cast offs into studs. 1 minute ago, skinfan2k said: Some fans actually think scheme wins titles. Flat out, players win titles. Phil Jackson won 11 titles not because of the triangle, it was because he had Jordan, Pippen, Kobe/Shaq, Bynum/Gasol Basketball is in no way comparable to football. Lebron could go play for anyone and they immediately become the best team in the league. That doesn't happen in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arftech Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I wonder will they switch the scheme to a 4-3? Hail Em Up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetThePointsSoar Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Darth Tater said: I did mention Bradley was debatable. Was Pettine signed by someone else before we turned him down? Was Thurman? Not that I'm aware. Thurman just interviewed with us a few days ago, and had really hoped he'd be the guy. 8 minutes ago, Taylor703 said: Basketball is in no way comparable to football. Lebron could go play for anyone and they immediately become the best team in the league. That doesn't happen in football. Couldn't agree more. I'd argue that coaching matters WAY more in football than any other sport. Look at what Jim Harbaugh did in San Fran with nearly the exact same players. They were terrible before he got there, and went back to terrible when he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Offseason is off to a completely underwhelming start so far. We'll see how Manusky does. Gotta give him a fair shake but I don't have exceedingly high hopes here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dckey Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Don't know what to feel, sometimes I think maybe we fans have blinders on and think they have a chance to sign these coordinators or players we want. Maybe some just don't want to be here!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyJ Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I'm still not going to panic. He's disappointing to me, but he doesn't have 0-16 circled on his resume as the highlight of his NFL relevancy. As sad as that is as an improvement over the previous DC, I'll take what I can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigskinRedskin Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I just hope he's not a 1 year stop gap until possibly the FO does a clean house. I don't know a lot about Manusky and just hope we use FA and Draft to get the talent to succeed because like Zoony said, talent wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Darth Tater said: I did mention Bradley was debatable. Was Pettine signed by someone else before we turned him down? Was Thurman? Pettine will probably be out of football again and Thurman might be a position coach for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I'd rather have Manusky over Bradley, but I really wanted Pettine. Now let's give him some talent and start shooting for average at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, LetThePointsSoar said: Not that I'm aware. Thurman just interviewed with us a few days ago, and had really hoped he'd be the guy. But the statement I was responding to was about letting the best sign elsewhere. Bradley IS the only one who you could argue, at this time, that we let sign elsewhere. Further, if you accuse someone of picking up the dregs, it is when the person you are arguing with would agree. So, since we talked with Thurman and Pettine, the decision makers OBVIOUSLY would disagree with the statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Someone start a Manusky thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 53 minutes ago, arftech said: I wonder will they switch the scheme to a 4-3? Hail Em Up! The question is if we run a 1 gap or 2 gap scheme. How many of the front 7 have their hands down or are stood up is very much a secondary question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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