skinfan2k Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 the offense is there almost and the defense will be emphasized this offseason whith 50M in salary cap space. Buy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 8 hours ago, MontanaSkins said: I want to see how the team reacts to the big blow up he had after the game. If they respond it means he has the respect of the team, if they **** the bed again we know he has lost them. This morning as I wake up I've looked at the Asia markets and will move from a soft Sell to a Hold for now, with a keen eye to the competitive indicators. Still not enamored with overall Game Mgt., Playcalling, as I have said since the first year, very concerned with Jay's feel for the game. Have not seen the growth and improvement I'd had hoped for this year. But it would be counter productive to forego another possible year without supplying some more capital. I'd love to see some reinvestment in the D, both in Management and front line, mid-level management. Looking for some decent returns on my time investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cakmoney61 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I think this is an excellent question!!! It's also one I'm not yet prepared to answer, although I admit that I do go back and forth during games as I watch Gruden make decisions that leave me scratching deep ridges in my head. How much credit do you give him for a dynamic offense that moves the ball virtually at will between the 20s? How much credit do you give him for Kirk Cousins' mostly very good QB play? How much blame do you give him for the offense's putrid display in the red zone? And finally how much blame do you give him for a generally putrid defense? I honestly don't know. My final answer: undecided...for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 10 hours ago, zoony said: Buy But i hope McVay gets called on for a HC position and a new DCoord is promoted or brought in This. As much credit as McVay is getting for this offense, I'm just losing my mind with redzone playcalling. I can't take it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 10 hours ago, zoony said: Buy But i hope McVay gets called on for a HC position and a new DCoord is promoted or brought in This is where I'm at. I adore Gruden, but I'm not sure I care for McVay nor do I care for Barry. How often do we have better qualified position coaches on a staff for coordinators? On offense Callahan could call a good offense as could Jay. On defense, you name it. I don't want to sacrifice the product on the field at the expense of grooming a 29 year old for the future of someone else's team. We also need a legit person in the booth looking at replays for challenges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 6 minutes ago, DC9 said: This is where I'm at. I adore Gruden, but I'm not sure I care for McVay nor do I care for Barry. How often do we have better qualified position coaches on a staff for coordinators? On offense Callahan could call a good offense as could Jay. On defense, you name it. I don't want to sacrifice the product on the field at the expense of grooming a 29 year old for the future of someone else's team. We also need a legit person in the booth looking at replays for challenges. Promote Olivadotti and Callahan and keep continuity imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said: Promote Olivadotti and Callahan and keep continuity imo. This isn't to excuse the personnel deficincies on the defensive side of the football, but as @BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said, Barry had a bad rep and hasn't done himself any favors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, DC9 said: This isn't to excuse the personnel deficincies on the defensive side of the football, but as @BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said, Barry had a bad rep and hasn't done himself any favors. I agree and I'd even be fine with keeping him another year, if we fix the talent. I think there's only so much you can do when you're trying to protect half your personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I want this team to ride with Gruden. He has the blend of skills that I think will work for this team. He's an alpha male and seems confident in what he can do. He backs his players, but isn't afraid to let them know when he expects more out of them. He's also designed and implemented a pretty incredible offense. It wasn't too long ago that scoring mid-20s or more in a game seemed ridiculously out of reach for this team. Obviously, I think he needs to be held accountable for the defense as well. If Barry isn't the right guy, then it's on Gruden to do the right thing. By the way, I have no idea how much of our struggles are coaching vs. personnel. On one hand, I have to imagine Barry could be doing more. On the other hand, I am pretty convinced that we have 3-5 starters on defense who would struggle to stick on 25 NFL rosters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 25 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Promote Olivadotti and Callahan and keep continuity imo. 17 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: I agree and I'd even be fine with keeping him another year, if we fix the talent. I think there's only so much you can do when you're trying to protect half your personnel. You also have Greg Manusky on staff..... But I like the idea of shaking it up and trying someone else. Certainly Callahan has outcoached any other position coach on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 The scheme is not bad at all. We just dont have any playmakers. Fuller had a shot at 2 ints. Compton is 2 steps slower than an average ILB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 19 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: I agree and I'd even be fine with keeping him another year, if we fix the talent. I think there's only so much you can do when you're trying to protect half your personnel. I don't think you can keep Barry another year. Too many players and the head coach have given him a tongue lashing on camera. I'm just saying that I know we have limitations, but after yesterday I have nothing to defend Barry with anymore. That was ridiculous to allow that many third and longs and not turnover a team that was serving up lollipops each of the last 4 weeks. The template is out. Run the football and you will keep Kirk off the field. Kirk will also need to score literally every time we have the ball or we will lose the game. 3 minutes ago, SWFLSkins said: You also have Greg Manusky on staff..... But I like the idea of shaking it up and trying someone else. Certainly Callahan has outcoached any other position coach on the team. Yeah I think I said as soon as we signed Manusky that he was the dude in waiting. Hopefully you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I'd be fine with riding with Gruden longer. But not Barry. Also, they need to bring in help for their scheming. They respond by acknowledging redzone issues by doing the same stuff? That's insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celticsalmon Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I abhor the lack of Coaching Consistency that has plagued this team sinced they fired Norv in 2000. But there has to be change. If not Gruden then definitely Joe Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Keep forgetting about Manusky somehow. Yes, that's what I'd like. Promote McVay to HC on another team and let Barry go play bingo or whatever the **** he's been doing instead of game planing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsMayne Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Buy, he's grown just as a hc just like cousins has grown as a qb, wish he'd have the balls to fire barry mid season, but I guess we'll have to wait till the offseason for that. id be disappointed in him if he kept Barry next yearZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 12 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: I'd be fine with riding with Gruden longer. But not Barry. Also, they need to bring in help for their scheming. They respond by acknowledging redzone issues by doing the same stuff? That's insanity. Save for the fade they had some different looks yesterday, which was a plus. Shame on the procedure penalty cause that PA to Rob Kelley was an outstanding call even though he dropped it. I honestly think Jay or Callahan took over play calling in the red zone in the 4th quarter against Dallas cause it's all looked different since. There is still obviously room to improve. But it's a little unfair to put anything on the offense after yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 It feels like we have no choice but to buy. Kirk and Jay are kind of tied at the hip. The only way we don't buy Jay is if we also don't buy Kirk. I simply can't see that happening. I just really hope he's learning that he's only as good as the guys he employs and makes a change at DC. I expect to see an influx of talent this offseason on the defensive side of the ball and would prefer a different mind be in charge of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Gruden is not a terrible coach but I also don't think he the type that can help a team win unless it's full with talent. Not many coaches are and he falls in line with the majority there. He relies on the pass way to much and seems to get worse with time management each year. I'm not even sure he can evaluate talent that well. Niles Paul over Reed, Jones over Kelly, Kory over Long. Though he did seem to want Kirk over RG3, which seems to be a major + points for him. I just don't know how to feel about him. If we had been a winning organization, I'd probably ditch him. I think because we've been through so much choas, I'm inclined to keep him just for the sake of continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfcbeasts4721 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I think the post above has a lot of excellent points very well said Joe Barry has to go though right? I know this is a post about Gruden but Barry has to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I'd stay the course -- this team continues to get better each season, and let's remember that Gruden inherited somewhat of a mess, and a bare cupboard, talent-wise. Also, I think the team's organization has improved under Gruden/Allen/McCloughan to the point that it can and will attract good free agent coaches and players going forward.. Gruden's been a part of that transformation. So I think he should get a full 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTskin Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Absolutely buy. I could use some help here... McVay is calling the plays. So, why is it on Gruden for the "poor clock management" and red zone numbers? His only fault in my eyes is the hiring and not firing of Berry. The guy has designed an excellent, efficient offense; fewest 3&outs in the league. It's amazing how overzealous this fanbase has gotten. We've come so far with Gruden/McClu/McVay/Cousins, yet every time something goes wrong the answer is to fire someone. Just remember where we used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBass1724 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 The reason our offense is as good as it is now is because of Jay. That part is not even up for debate. It's his system. So, I'm buying big time on Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfcbeasts4721 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 It's the younger generation that play way too much Madden and the fantasy foosball stuff focusing too much on their fantasy players doing well and their fantasy teams doing well that they expect the Redskins to do well..ugghh.. the only coach that needs to go is Barry, I am way sick and tired of seeing third-and-longs being converted I mean when you have a team at 3rd and 15 + no way they're going to get the first down right? they do on us every time.. and it's about sickening, I believe the only thing that has kept him around is players here and they're making big plays to win the game Preston Smith, Josh Norman.. he has called only a couple decent defensive games the rest have been trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 hours ago, SWFLSkins said: Still not enamored with overall Game Mgt., Playcalling, as I have said since the first year, very concerned with Jay's feel for the game. Have not seen the growth and improvement I'd had hoped for this year. But it would be counter productive to forego another possible year without supplying some more capital. I'd love to see some reinvestment in the D, both in Management and front line, mid-level management. Looking for some decent returns on my time investment. Me personally, Ive seen a lot of growth from Gruden and McVay. Last season, with Kirk running the offense, the league got to see what Gruden/McVay want to do on offense. The league adjusted and very quickly, Gruden/McVay did a counter adjustment which has us with one of the best offenses in the league. This offense is not a fluke. It is not an offense that D Coordinators havent tried to shut down. Its not an offense that doesnt have enough film out. Ive seen hurry up this year, didnt see that last year. I havent seen another coach shut down our offense with second half adjustments. Ive seen Gruden/McVay stick with the run when they were averaging very little. Ive seen Gruden/McVay switch from a young second year 3rd round pick RB to an undrafted rookie RB. Ive seen Gruden/McVay still run their offense when DJax and Reed were out of the game. Ive seen Gruden/McVay constantly using and putting second year player Jamison Crowder in a position to win. Gruden/McVay bring a proven legit top 5 NFL offense. That is elite. Its not an accident or luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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