Assorted Militia/SovCit news,(formerly Bundy thread)

[PCS]

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/at_bundy_encampment_outsider_s.html

 

 

 

At Bundy encampment, outsider says militants 'attacked' his group

BURNS -- Violence broke out at the Bundy compound Wednesday night between its militant occupants and members of an outside group whose leader says he wants to get women and children out of the compound.

Lewis Arthur, who leads a group called Veterans on Patrol and calls himself an anti-violence patriot, arrived Wednesday afternoon with a small crew.

By Wednesday night, one of Arthur's three-person crew was in the hospital, his eye blackened from a punch to the face.

In an interview Thursday, Arthur blamed the injuries on Blaine Cooper, a prominent member of the group of militants who since Saturday have staged a standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The group's members say they hope to exonerate two area ranchers imprisoned on arson charges and then turn over land on the federally owned refuge to private owners.

Arthur said those inside the refuge didn't agree with his mission to remove women and children -- as well as prominent militant Ryan Payne -- from the compound.

Jason Patrick, another participant in the refuge standoff, tells a different story.

 

 

 

 

 

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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/tearful-militant-discovers-friend-drank-away-donation-money-its-like-finding-out-there-is-no-such-thing-as-santa/

 

 

 

heartbroken militiaman announced that one of his buddies had walked off the Oregon nature preserve they had overtaken and had holed up in a local motel to drink away donation money.

Joe Oshaugnessy, an Arizona militiaman, has been actively seeking volunteers through social media to join the occupation of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

But his friends tearfully announced that Oshaugnessy, who is known as “Capt. O,” had left the refuge Wednesday and was instead staying at a motel nearby — as some others associated with the militants have apparently been doing, according to sources.

Some of the militants have reportedly been spotted eating at area restaurants during the standoff, as well.

The militants have been allowed to come and go freely from the nature preserve in the absence of a law enforcement presence, but at least one of them, Brian “Booda” Cavalier, failed to return after a newspaper report revealed he had lied about serving in the U.S. Marines.

Oshaugnessy had apparently argued with some of the participants about the presence of women and children at the wildlife refuge, where militants apparently hoped to draw federal agents into a gun battle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Larry]

Sounds like somebody needs to deliver some Snickers bars. 

[PleaseBlitz]

That's really the direction I lean, too. 

 

Somebody, earlier, compared this to a bunch of college students taking over the Dean's office. 

 

Yeah, it's illegal.  But as long as nobody gets hurt, then you chalk it up as an exercise of the right to protest.  Maybe you prosecute them for some misdemeanors, and sentence them to some community service.  (Cleaning the place back up.) 

 

Yes, I could see the argument that the fact that they did it while carrying guns makes things different, and that sending a harsher message is appropriate, too. 

 

 

Agree entirely.  This is exactly like Occupy Wall Street (the DC version of which I walked through every day that summer) except Yall Qaeda brought guns.  They haven't USED the guns, they just have them with them, which is probably totally legal.  I hate being in the position of sort of defending these dinks, but nobody was suggesting that we kill the Occupy Wall Street kids.

 

Edit:  Maybe Sarge was, if he was around then.

Edited January 8, 2016 by PleaseBlitz

[twa]

deadly force should be reserved for those idiots interrupting your dinner.

[Koolblue13]

wait wait wait, they are just coming and going? Guys are going into town and eating at restaurants? One dude drank away the donation money? Is this for real?

 

These guys are Neil from the Young Ones.

 

At least people cared about the Occupy movement. A lot of people took it seriously.

 

Not this. Maybe they've inconvenienced some bird watchers, but from the sound of it, they can just go right in and do what they want anyway.

 

This couldn't be sadder if they wanted it to be. The public will get bored, if the jokes ever run out and the media will drop it. These clowns will go home and it'll be like it never happened.

 

and tshile wanted an airstrike.  OLS 

[tshile]

Alternet - Oregon Militia Makes Plea for Snacks, PETA Responds With Yummy Vegan Jerky

 

At least, that seems like a reasonable conclusion to be drawn from the group’s widely publicized Facebook appeal for the most basic of supplies, including “cold weather socks, snacks, energy drinks, equipment for cold weather, snow camo, gear.”

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:lol:  snow camo :lol: 

[@DCGoldPants]

Deadly force isn't needed. But the local gov/FBI shouldn't allow people to just come and go. The people that walk off should have been picked up and charged with something, even if it is minor. Honestly, find some lame charge that comes with losing the right to own a firearm. Don't think the The Lautenberg Amendment applies here. But I'm sure they could find something. At least make it a really expensive court case for these people.

 

How about we drop a dome on them?

[tshile]

and tshile wanted an airstrike.  OLS

wants*

present tense

[PCS]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-idUSKBN0UL2IW20160108

 

 

 

Oregon occupation leader rejects sheriff's bid to end standoff

The leader of a group of armed protesters occupying the headquarters of a federal wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon met briefly with a local sheriff on Thursday but rejected the lawman's offer of safe passage out of the state to end the standoff.

Ammon Bundy and other occupiers left the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in two vehicles and traveled to a neutral location along a remote Oregon roadside to meet for about five minutes with Harney County Sheriff David Ward.

During that meeting, which was attended by two Reuters reporters, Ward told Bundy that he was seeking a peaceful resolution to the nearly week-long standoff and offered to escort the occupiers out of Oregon.

But Bundy, saying that the sheriff had not addressed the occupiers' grievances, declined.

"We plan on staying," Bundy told reporters following a meeting. "I'm not afraid to go out of state. I don't need an escort."

 

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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/police_shut_off_power_at_far_e.html

 

 

 

Police shut off power at BLM fire station near refuge

Police have disconnected the electricity to a building in Frenchglen -- at the far end of the nature reserve -- to prevent militants from moving to a new place, according to sources close to the investigation.

Frenchglen residents said they saw police disconnecting power from the U.S. Bureau of Land Management Fire Guard Station, which is on the south end of the reserve. The fire station is about 40 miles from the headquarters, where members of the Bundy family and other militants have occupied buildings since Saturday.

 

 

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[Koolblue13]

wants*

present tense

That is one of the most absurd things I have ever read on the internet.

[The Evil Genius]

I'm still waiting for one of the tools to come out and yell, Live from New York..it's Saturday Night Live.

 

I mean..this is an SNL skit, right?

Edited January 8, 2016 by The Evil Genius

[Larry]

Deadly force isn't needed. But the local gov/FBI shouldn't allow people to just come and go.

I like the suggestion, but can that be done, without combat?

I confess, I had a mental image that this place was miles from any habitation. One of those "ranger station" places that has an eight mile, two-rut, driveway. Set up one police car, five miles from their "encampment" or whatever they're calling it, and just arrest anybody who drives up the road.  (And keep a drone overhead, watching to see if anybody tries to go around it, or to assemble a force to attack the roadblock.) 

 

But then I read about this rival group that showed up, and set up camp "across the street", which now makes me think that what we've got here is a parking lot next to a public road. 

 

[PleaseBlitz]

I like the suggestion, but can that be done, without combat?

I confess, I had a mental image that this place was miles from any habitation. One of those "ranger station" places that has an eight mile, two-rut, driveway. Set up one police car, five miles from their "encampment" or whatever they're calling it, and just arrest anybody who drives up the road.  (And keep a drone overhead, watching to see if anybody tries to go around it, or to assemble a force to attack the roadblock.) 

 

But then I read about this rival group that showed up, and set up camp "across the street", which now makes me think that what we've got here is a parking lot next to a public road. 

 

https://www.google.com/earth/

 

It's in the middle of ****ing nowhere, Oregon.

[Larry]

https://www.google.com/earth/

Thank you for informing me that it is on Earth. I was unsure about that.

[tshile]

That is one of the most absurd things I have ever read on the internet.

 

You should get out more then, take some wrong turns on the internet once in a while and see where it takes you.

 

[PleaseBlitz]

Thank you for informing me that it is on Earth. I was unsure about that.

 

 

I was simply pointing out that you didn't have to live with your confusion on this subject; answers are extraordinarily easy to find if one takes the requisite 30 seconds to do so.  

[Chew]

Do these guys really have the balls to open fire on federal authorities??

[Larry]

Do these guys really have the balls to open fire on federal authorities??

I would not jump to the conclusion that they would not. (It seems to actually have been their plan, such as it was.)

[Koolblue13]

You should get out more then, take some wrong turns on the internet once in a while and see where it takes you.

 

Allowing a cat to perform brain surgery, because it's wearing glasses and has an upside down astrophysics book in front of it, would make more sense, than an airstrike. If for no other reason than it's a federal bird reserve (which is two reasons).

 

I hope you've come to your senses and this is sarcasm from you, but judging from your opinion earlier in the thread, I'm not sure.

[Corcaigh]

 an airstrike. If for no other reason than it's a federal bird reserve (which is two reasons).

 

Maybe instead of snacks, deliver tons of bird food.

 

[tshile]

I hope you've come to your senses and this is sarcasm from you, but judging from your opinion earlier in the thread, I'm not sure.

Been consistent through the whole thread.

Treat them the same way we'd treat any armed group taking over a federal building, demanding the release of prisoners, and threatening law enforcement.

[Chew]

Send in the rabbit of Caerbannog

 

 

[@DCGoldPants]

So, Bundy left the location and has been allowed to return? WTF?

 

These guys want something to happen. They recruited people they could sacrifice for their cause. But they need the authorities to use force 1st, otherwise any argument they have becomes null in their attack on law enforcement. So much for blue lives matter if that happens.

[zoony]

Wow, a Young Ones reference. This thread is now complete

Also, I'm old. Fml

[Jumbo]

Alternet - Oregon Militia Makes Plea for Snacks, PETA Responds With Yummy Vegan Jerky

 

 

 

 

:lol:  snow camo :lol:

  

 

 

Snow camo? Hell, just borrow the white sheets from their white supremacists buds and save a dollar (and put the money towards snacks).