Rufus T Firefly Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Which even for Snyder, is a big ass chunk to swallow on top of a new HC contract. Tough ass decisions coming up for lil' Danny that will make or break the RGIII era in Washington IMHO. Hail. Not really no coaches make it to the end of their contracts any more, so paying off the end of a deal for a guy you fire is part of doing business. 1 year on the contract, even a big contract, is extremely minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 As much I'm against giving up picks, IF Gordon is back on the table at season's end, I'd be trying my damndest to bargain the Browns into something. For the equivalent in the draft on a proven young wideout like that your looking at a high draft pick as it is. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I wouldn't mind seeing us make a play for Jeremy Maclin or Hakeem nicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prototype Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 We'd might want to consider finding a decent No. 2 receiver. Hankerson has a LCL injury, and the dude was already stiff at making football moves in the first place. He's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 We'd might want to consider finding a decent No. 2 receiver. Hankerson has a LCL injury, and the dude was already stiff at making football moves in the first place. He's done. Honestly I'd be looking at a WR in free agency and the draft. Then focus on improving the OL. Nicks and Mack for about 11-12mil a season combined would make life much better for Griffin and this offense. You have to protect your investment and make life easier for him. Then draft a slot guy/playmaker type of role. QB: Griffin RB: Morris, Helu, Thompson/Jamison FB: Young TE: Reed, Paulsen, Paul WR, Garcon, Nicks, Rookie WR(pipe dream here would be De'Anthony Thomas to PR/KR/Slot WR) Hankerson, Robinson, Williams? That's a hell of an offense for a young QB. Sign Mack as I said above and add Winston for pretty cheap and the OL is upgraded alot on that alone. We'd be weak at G but maybe Gettis or Hurt can step up there, I know not likely. Then you still have 5-6 picks or so to focus on the defense and BPA or depth. FA: Mack, Nicks, Winston, Mundy?, Would love Byrd but hes too expensive. Another Vet safety would be nice. Redskins resign: Hall, Riley, Jackson, Barnett, Biggers as the main guys. These guys should all be pretty cheap but are effective starters imo (except Barnett and Biggers but that is cheap, decent depth with a year of familiarity with the players) Goodbye: Rak, Morgan, Moss, Meriweather, Fletcher Release: Carriker, Bowen, Meriweather (whatever it takes), Maybe Chester if cost effective Trade Cousins for whatever you can get, lets say a 3rd/4th. In the draft you are looking for ILB, DT, DE, G, WR and if a can't miss Safety prospect falls to you then you take him but I would rather find some veteran S to play with the young guys, preferably one that doesn't dolphin dive tackle. That of course all works well with a new GM, and coaching staff. This team would be pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayAction Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 No picks for free agents IMHO. Skins are already short one first round pick in the draft and have holes from the first and second round picks used in the trade for RG3. Add in the second round pick wasted in the Philly trade and that's a lot of young talent missing from the team. Skins need to look at where they can acquire the best talent at the cheapest price. They also need to take into account whether a rookie can contribute in the position right away or whether a free agent is better suited to improvement in team play. Some free agent positions though are way too expensive for top free agents (Fitz at WR IMO, and usually CBs). I could see using the 2nd round pick on a quality CB even though he would ideally take some time to develop into the full time starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoli Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Address the defense first please. I think the offense is passable without grabbing a Fitzgerald etc. Defense gets carved up by sub-par qbs like ponder its a damn shame. DEFENSE PLEASE. There isn't an offense that I would have the slightest amount of confidence that we could slow down. Teams just have their way with us right up the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I think Cousins is staying in DC unless you can get at least a 2nd for him. Maybe you pull the trigger on a 2nd/3rd combo ... but I can't see the team trading him away for what they essentially spent on him two years ago. If you are set on trading Cousins, I would look for at least a 2nd and 3rd in return. That would go a long way in bolstering our draft stock within reality ... I would also assume you could get that kind of return from a team that envisions that it is "close" and just needs a QB that can step right in, a rebuilding team that may want to avoid spending their early 1st on a QB reach if there is a run at the top ... or even a playoff team with an aging vet that may want to groom a replacement. The last option being the least likely since Cousins would likely be ready immediately and said team could just draft a protege to groom for a couple years ... Candidates, off the top of my head: Browns, Jaguars, Texans, Rams, Cardinals, Vikings, Bears (IF IF IF they don't re-sign Cutler) Things will change ... but there are quite a few teams that you could argue desperately need QBs ... and we could have one ready to step in. I don't think it would be out of the realm of possibilities if we got the Texans 2nd and 3rd rounder for Cousins. Those would be early selections, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martytheman Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I think Cousins is staying in DC unless you can get at least a 2nd for him. Maybe you pull the trigger on a 2nd/3rd combo ... but I can't see the team trading him away for what they essentially spent on him two years ago. If you are set on trading Cousins, I would look for at least a 2nd and 3rd in return. That would go a long way in bolstering our draft stock within reality ... I would also assume you could get that kind of return from a team that envisions that it is "close" and just needs a QB that can step right in, a rebuilding team that may want to avoid spending their early 1st on a QB reach if there is a run at the top ... or even a playoff team with an aging vet that may want to groom a replacement. The last option being the least likely since Cousins would likely be ready immediately and said team could just draft a protege to groom for a couple years ... Candidates, off the top of my head: Browns, Jaguars, Texans, Rams, Cardinals, Vikings, Bears (IF IF IF they don't re-sign Cutler) Things will change ... but there are quite a few teams that you could argue desperately need QBs ... and we could have one ready to step in. I don't think it would be out of the realm of possibilities if we got the Texans 2nd and 3rd rounder for Cousins. Those would be early selections, too. The only problem with that is there are alot of good qb's eligible for this year's draft, that's gotta hurt KC's tradeability (if he is even on the block) a 2nd for him would be great, a 2nd and a 3rd would be highway robbery IMO. we'd be looking at 2,2,3,3,4,5,6,7 that would go a long way to filling alot of holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 No superstars on my list. Just look at decent, up and coming, or above average players out of these positions: MLB, RT, RG, WR, DL, S. Safety would be last depending on the Rambo and Thomas' development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I know this is a FA thread, but in responding to Martytheman ... maybe 2nd and 3rd for Cousins would be robbery ... maybe you get a 2nd and a 3rd from teams picking later in the rounds or a 2nd and 4th from teams that have Top 10 picks. A team like Minnesota might feel like they're close ... and might feel like they've already been down that "reach on a 1st rounder" road with great failure ... and might be willing to pony up a 2nd and 4th to grab Cousins. With two 2nds, a 3rd and two 4ths ... you could make up a little for not having a 1st. If you can address RT, ILB, CB, OG, WR, etc. in FA it would really allow you to take a progressive route into the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 Per Rotoworld: 8/20/2011: Signed an eight-year, $128.5 million contract. The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus and first-year roster bonus of $8 million. Fitzgerald is eligible for an annual $250,000 workout bonus in years two through eight. 2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15) 2014: $12.75 million 2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus) 2016: $15 million 2017-2018: $14.75 million 2019: Free Agent In other words, no chance though I am not sure how the option bonus works and what they lose if he is released. Scheffter reported a few weeks ago they would look to trade him this offseason but that contract will be tough for a team to absorb in addition to giving up picks/players I'd rather have Michael Floyd, anyways. It'd cost us a pick, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Nicks and Mack for about 11-12mil a season combined I think you're dreaming. Vincent Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, Percy Harvin, Mike Wallace. All those guys had issues, either with health or attitude, or suspension. And each of them got 11-12 mil per year. Nicks is a better receiver than any of them, and an injury riddled season isn't going to drop it to nothing. Trying to come up with comparable Cs, the guys who I think of are Nick Mangold (7.2 mil per year) or Chris Myers (6.25). Being a good deal younger than Myers and not limited to ZBS probably means he is more likely to get Mangold numbers, likely higher by hitting the market and thru inflation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Well let's see. On offense, we have 4, maybe 5 guys of a top tier standard. Trent, Pierre, The Butler, the developing Reed, and the QB in the right circumstance. (DY as a FB too if you want to count him.). On defense, we have Hall and Kerrigan when fully healthy. Last season's run-in masked a ton and fooled us all. Hail. improve one spot and that can actually make the players around them seem better. I think the interior O-line is actually making each other worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The only problem with that is there are alot of good qb's eligible for this year's draft, that's gotta hurt KC's tradeability (if he is even on the block) a 2nd for him would be great, a 2nd and a 3rd would be highway robbery IMO. we'd be looking at 2,2,3,3,4,5,6,7 that would go a long way to filling alot of holes. Perhaps, but he also has a body of work at this level, which bodes well for us if we do plan on trading him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 A classic case of ESOveratingourownItis. Happens to many from time to time but the more the games roll, the more it passes with time. Thankfully not terminal in all but the most homorific of cases. Hail. I'm sorry I've read this board and all I've ever seen in ESUnderattingourownitis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAILSKINSNYC Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I would not trade for Fitzgerald. I would look at James Jones or Eric Decker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I'm sorry I've read this board and all I've ever seen in ESUnderattingourownitis No way this can be true. People always think our average players would pull 3rd round picks if we traded them. It's been an epidemic here for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 No way this can be true. People always think our average players would pull 3rd round picks if we traded them. It's been an epidemic here for years. I believe that's more underrating a value of a draft pick or at least how GMs value them than overrating a player. Frankly, I think every veteran player in the NFL is worth more than a sixth or seventh round draft pick, if they're actually worth trading for. and anyway, they're always asserting we'd be better off without them or they'd be easy to replace, which is far better proof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 It would be a bad idea even if we only had to give up a 7th, imo. Yes, we have to keep in mind that we have Trent and Griffin on deck, too. That would all but cripple our chances to re-sign one of them. Maybe both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I look at our entire roster, and who, in an ideal World, you'd want starting going forward, and this is all I got: Robert, Trent, Garcon, Morris, Young and Reed on offense. (Maybe Hurt and Gettis at guard too.). Hall and Kerrigan on defense. (Hopefully adding Amerson, Chase, Jenkins, Rambo and Thomas to that over time. But as of right now, just those two.). The lack of top tier talent to take this on to the next level is criminal 4 years in. We have good young depth. But with the best will in the World, they aren't guys that you'd consistently want starting if you REALLY want to take this on. This roster is still a sub-standard mess when it comes to REALLY competing with the top teams. Hail. I'd add Cofield to the list on D... if he moves to DE with the acquisition of a NT, or if we were to switch to a 4-3. Jackson and Orakpo are solid to good players depending on how that shakes out. Depending on Carriker's health and contract, he could be solid or better at end. And then there's Robinson... but that's just one more with potential like the others you brought up. Really? A stud at NT and MLB would elevate the D immensely (if we re-sign some key guys). Unfortunately, the odds of us adding one, let alone both, are very slim. So I'm really hoping Robinson can be the answer in the middle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 'K, having finally gotten a chance to sit down and look at this in depth, here's my current view on things if we really want to take this on. Of the players currently on the books, this is who I'd ideally keep: Offense. (Ages at the start of the 2014 season.). Starters, Backups. Third String. WR. Hankerson. 25. Williams, N. 23+/ Lewis. 25+. RT. Compton, T. 25. RG. Hurt. 26+. Gettis. 25+. C. Lichtensteiger. 29. LG. LeRibeus. 25+. LT. Williams, T. 26. WR. Garcon. 28. Robinson, A. 25+. TE. Reed. 24. Davis. 28. Paulsen. 27. QB. 10. 24. FB. Young. 27. RB. Morris. 25. Helu Jr. 25. Jamison. 22. 4 new starters needed (3 OL<RT, C, LG>/ #2 WR); 2 backups. (LT/ Slot wideout.), Defense. RDE. Baker. 26+. Worthington. 27. NT. Nield. 26. LDE. Jenkins, J. 26. JACK... Jenkins, B. 24. ILB. Riley Jr. 26. Robinson, K. 25. Kehl. 30. MIKE. Compton, W. SAM. Kerrigan. 26. Jackson. 28+. CB. Hall. 30+. Crawford. 24. SS. Thomas. 25. Gumbs. 26. FS. Rambo. 24. CB. Amerson. 22+. Minnifield. 25. 6 starters (Both DE's, although Cofield could be kept for one. Currently have him gone to increase cap space)/ NT/ Key pure edge rushing backer and stud ILB/ Vet. FS to help Thomas through what in effect will be his rookie year); 3 Back-up's. (Vet. Mike 'backer/ Vet. Corner, although I'm not opposed to Wilson being back for another year/ Vet. SS. Worse case Doughty back for one last year.). Specialists. PK. Forbath. 27. KO/K. Potter. 24. (I'd have him back on the roster now,), P. LS. Sundberg. 27. The basis is there, It's just quality starters we're sorely lacking. Although of course all this is predicated on the Shanahan era ending. Not least with FreddyDelights return. Not locked at the FA lists as of yet, but I'd be very grateful if someone could give a rough estimate of the additional cap savings on the guys cut and how/ if it would impact from the 2015 cap and beyond. A possible 10 new, quality starters, be they through FA or the draft; is a big task all ways round. Not least financially. But that's the scandalous state of affairs Shanahan has left us at 4 years in IMHO. Hail. *Edit* I fully appreciate filling all these holes might well take more than one off-season. This is just who I'd ideally keep as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 'K, having finally gotten a chance to sit down and look at this in depth, here's my current view on things if we really want to take this on. ... I don't think you're far off, though I think that there are a few man-crushes that you give too much credit to. (We're all guilty of this) Especially for you, there is a very odd oversight, in that you didn't list QB. I'm assuming you want to keep Robert? Now, I'm operating under a completely different assumption. I think Mike and Kyle are back, but Haz and Burns are gone. I could be wrong, but that's what my gut is telling me. I'm not passing judgement on the decision, I'm just saying what I think will happen. Offensively, I don't think you can change out 4 of the 5 starters and not get your QB killed early in the season. All the teams I've seen do it have not had a lot of success. I also don't know that Hurt has shown anything near enough to be considered a starter. Though, we might see him later this year, if he's healthy, and word is that he's practicing. I'm guessing that Chester and Polumbus are replaced, and possibly Monty. But I think Steiger and Williams stay on the left side. I also think Josh L. is probably gone. He's working out to be the biggest draft bust of the Shanahan era. (Highest pick that hasn't panned out.) Unless he shows something, I think he's a bust, and is off the roster. Davis is gone regardless of who the HC is. You don't fall asleep in meetings in a contact year. Period. I don't care about Shanahan's doghouse. That's unprofessional, and doesn't help the team. I like to try and be reasonable, but honestly, I'm disappointed Shanahan didn't just outright release him. Defensively, I don't think Riley is a starter. But, eh, I also don't think you are going to find 11 new starters on defense. I think it's too soon to say that Thomas can recover and start. He wasn't that high a draft pick, and that's asking a lot. I think Barry stays, he's a very solid producer. You need those types of guys. I think he's out of position at NT. But, he's also their best option there right now. Hopefully he won't be next year. (No, Baker and Neild are not better) And you can slam the roster all you want. It's so infinitely better than the complete garbage, top to bottom that was here before Shanahan got here. And to make that roster even worse, it was expensive garbage that was signed long term. At least they have a bunch of kids that can develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Bowen does not need to be cut Rak should be back. Hell, I expect he'll either be franchise or transitioned Why in the world do you think they keep Davis? And honestly some of your logic is a little off, not taking into account actual roster spots and coaching history. You have six OL listed with three starters needed and you say a backup LT is needed. We will most likely carry one swing backup T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins and Lions Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Dream scenario is that we throw at Has and switch back to a 4-3. Rak and Kerrigan would automatically improve and Cofield is already a solid DT. Probably won't happen though. Free agency should look for a playmaker as there aren't many OL or DL that I think would be a fit. Eric Decker, Jeremy Maclin, Kenny Britt, Hakeem Nicks, Anquan Boldin are all available. Don't expect to get any of them but no harm in trying to make a run at one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.