brandymac27 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I wonder how long it's going to take until we start seeing significant sectarian violence between conservatives and liberals in this country. I'm not saying we'll have a second civil war (though that thought has crossed my mind), but I feel like this country is sitting on a time bomb and nasty words are going to become actions any day now. Well, to a degree, some of those words are already becoming actions. Look at some of the shootings that have taken place at some of the campaign headquarters. I guess we can only hope things don't get worse than they already are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Well, to a degree, some of those words are already becoming actions. Look at some of the shootings that have taken place at some of the campaign headquarters. I guess we can only hope things don't get worse than they already are. The only one I heard about was in Denver, though that is crazy enough by itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 America is basically done. Just let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 In 2013 we will see tax reform, entitlement reform and immigration reform. Bank on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 In 2013 we will see tax reform, entitlement reform and immigration reform. Bank on it. that's broad enough that 2012 actions would qualify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 America is basically done.Just let it go. I've seen this sort of idiotic drivel in quite a few places since the election. Plenty of people saying it, but nobody able to provide anything to back it up. Can you give me specifics on exactly how Obama winning means "America is basically done"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I've seen this sort of idiotic drivel in quite a few places since the election. Plenty of people saying it, but nobody able to provide anything to back it up.Can you give me specifics on exactly how Obama winning means "America is basically done"? There certainly is a lot of defeatism. If you go to the BGO Redskins board it's even more pronounced. I wonder how similar it is to 2004? I know when we re-elected Bush I thought that America was heading towards economic disaster though mad as Dems were in 2000 and 04, I don't think the America is dead meme was a part of our vocabulary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 There certainly is a lot of defeatism. If you go to the BGO Redskins board it's even more pronounced.I wonder how similar it is to 2004? I know when we re-elected Bush I thought that America was heading towards economic disaster though mad as Dems were in 2000 and 04, I don't think the America is dead meme was a part of our vocabulary. No, it happened in 04 too. I felt that way at some level. Definitely had my moments when I thought, "maybe I'm more like a Canadian.". I didn't go anywhere. This is normal reaction to a tough loss. Edit: although back then republicans were telling us we weren't real Americans and to get out if we were going to say anything bad about W. so, it was a little different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 No, it happened in 04 too. I felt that way at some level. Definitely had my moments when I thought, "maybe I'm more like a Canadian.". I didn't go anywhere. This is normal reaction to a tough loss.Edit: although back then republicans were telling us we weren't real Americans and to get out if we were going to say anything bad about W. so, it was a little different. Yeah, poor conservatives have no where to go. Where is their nirvana to escape Obama's socialism. Canada? Europe? China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCranon21 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 There certainly is a lot of defeatism. If you go to the BGO Redskins board it's even more pronounced.I wonder how similar it is to 2004? I know when we re-elected Bush I thought that America was heading towards economic disaster though mad as Dems were in 2000 and 04, I don't think the America is dead meme was a part of our vocabulary. I think some of my republican friends defrinded on facebook, which is sad. I actually try to have decent debate with them, but they are sore losers I see. But in the midterm 2 years ago, I got all sort of messages on my wall from them about how much they are taking back the country after the '12 elections. It's definetly a lot of defeatism. Also Burgold, I went over there to BGO and checked out the political threads over there. It seems like all of our right leaning friends went over there and took over that side. How do you do it over there I see ND, Sarge are there. (Not trying to derail the thread). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Also Burgold, I went over there to BGO and checked out the political threads over there. It seems like all of our right leaning friends went over there and took over that side. How do you do it over there I see ND, Sarge are there. (Not trying to derail the thread). When I first came to ES, the board was quite right leaning. It seems when the tough gets going the conservatives get going to another board It can be a little rough, but I like debate. Some of the rhetoric is way over the top. I figure if I present facts and my point of view that I can learn from them and they can learn from me. Mind you, I'm not sure how much they can hear me sometimes with all the shouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 that's broad enough that 2012 actions would qualify Leading Republicans understand that they have to get immigration reform done asap. Major corporation CEOs will put enormous pressure on political leaders to compromise on taxes and entitlement reform in order to avoid the problems they will face should we go past the fiscal cliff. All three will get done out of political necessity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Yahoo: FBI, CIA face questions about Petraeus affair WASHINGTON (AP) — The career of David Petraeus, the CIA director and a renowned military general, was derailed by allegedly vicious emails his paramour sent to another woman. Now the CIA, FBI and White House face questions from Congress about Petraeus' love life and how his emails came under investigation.Petraeus quit his post Friday after acknowledging an extramarital relationship. (More at link.) Oh, goody. Congress has decided to investigate people for having an affair. ---------- Yahoo: Florida Gov. Rick Scott says no to health care law Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott says he will not implement the state health insurance exchanges mandated in the 2010 federal health care law despite President Barack Obama's re-election.The Sarasota Herald-Tribune reports: Speaking on the New College of Florida campus following a meeting of the state's university governing board, Scott said it will cost taxpayers and business owners too much to expand Medicaid and set up health insurance exchanges as called for under the law. "No one has been able to show me that that health care exchange is going to do anything rather than raise taxes, raise the cost of our companies to do business," Scott said, adding that expanding Medicaid would also require tax increases. Scott is one of many Republican governors who have resisted the state programs required by the law before Election Day, but he's the first to voice continued resistance after the election. Like two more sentences at link. ---------- Gee, I wonder what these stories say, about the topic of the thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 When I first came to ES, the board was quite right leaning. It seems when the tough gets going the conservatives get going to another board It can be a little rough, but I like debate. Some of the rhetoric is way over the top. I figure if I present facts and my point of view that I can learn from them and they can learn from me. Mind you, I'm not sure how much they can hear me sometimes with all the shouting. I haven't given up representing the right Burg! Afterall someone has to keep the board from listing hopelessly and endlessly left. I do agree that at times the board devolves into shouting matches or many members simply talking past each other to get points across/heard. It doesn't always feel like it's productive but you take the good with the bad. You've always been a poster who seems to be able to hear the other side and keep emotions in check. I don't agree with you often but I respect you always. Ok, now time to post again in the media bias thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 When I first came to ES, the board was quite right leaning. It seems when the tough gets going the conservatives get going to another board It can be a little rough, but I like debate. Some of the rhetoric is way over the top. I figure if I present facts and my point of view that I can learn from them and they can learn from me. Mind you, I'm not sure how much they can hear me sometimes with all the shouting. I would say the board is about Huffington Post level, not quite DailyKos but the posts from there are tripling, whereas a few years ago people would point out MotherJones is not to post from as if it was Neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I would say the board is about Huffington Post level, not quite DailyKos but the posts from there are tripling, . . . I suppose it would be silly to ask you to back up your claim with some actual facts, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Looking at this thread, I think a better question might be: When the Republicans continue to obstruct, will their followers continue to claim that it isn't happening? It's interesting. Under GW Bush when the economy started to show trouble in 2007, the new Democratic House under that evil Nancy Pelosi passed a stimulus to try to help the economy and the President. And nevermind your feelings about its effectiveness or the effectiveness of stimulus in general, because thats beside the point if the Republicans could pass a bill to destroy the American Economy and pin it on Obama they would do it in a second. Tells you all you need to know. No wonder they lost the election and will most likely be extinct in 20 years. The country is determined to move on without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 It's interesting. Under GW Bush when the economy started to show trouble in 2007, the new Democratic House under that evil Nancy Pelosi passed a stimulus to try to help the economy and the President. And nevermind your feelings about its effectiveness or the effectiveness of stimulus in general, because thats beside the point if the Republicans could pass a bill to destroy the American Economy and pin it on Obama they would do it in a second. Tells you all you need to know. No wonder they lost the election and will most likely be extinct in 20 years. The country is determined to move on without them. I think some people had issue with how and where that stimulus money went to. People want to feel there was at least some value employed in the aftermath of firing up the fiscal printing presses. The economy over the next 4 years make put the brakes to people's elation over Obama's win. The numbers weren't a rebuke of either party. If the economy continues to tank I don't see any love for either party from the people at large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 How many trillions more have followed? are you claiming enough spending wasn't passed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I suppose it would be silly to ask you to back up your claim with some actual facts, wouldn't it? Holy crap, not a chance ES is HoffPost level, I am a Moderate and I LEFT the Huffingtonpost because it was so Left leaning!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 How many trillions more have followed?are you claiming enough spending wasn't passed? There are people out there who really think more spending is what's needed...incredibly. I don't know why Greece can't be used as a warning sign for us. Or Spain. All we're doing now is delaying the pain that's sure to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Never mind. Never ask a troll to shovel more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 There are people out there who really think more spending is what's needed...incredibly. I don't know why Greece can't be used as a warning sign for us. Or Spain. All we're doing now is delaying the pain that's sure to come. I actually think the only ones proposing more spending was the Romney campaign and their defense increases. Everyone else seems to be on board with a deficit reduction plan that involves spending cuts, though it's yet to be seen whether the GOP will agree to modest tax increases on the wealth to go with the cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I would say the board is about Huffington Post level, not quite DailyKos but the posts from there are tripling, whereas a few years ago people would point out MotherJones is not to post from as if it was Neutral. No way in hell. The main reason this board seems so left leaning is the fact that the GOP has been overtaken by the relgious right and/or Tea Party and has driven more moderate people like myself away. I've voted Republican in the past but it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to even stomach the thought of voting for anybody associated with the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Yahoo: FBI, CIA face questions about Petraeus affair(More at link.) Oh, goody. Congress has decided to investigate people for having an affair. ---------- Yahoo: Florida Gov. Rick Scott says no to health care law Like two more sentences at link. ---------- Gee, I wonder what these stories say, about the topic of the thread? For your first point, absolutely there should be an investigation. If the President's FBI was ALREADY investigated the General and his lack of security with his gmail account and what the biographer was doing, Congress needs to shed some light on this as well. If anything, Congress has been very unwilling the last decade to hold a President's feet to the fire with regards to indiscretions by law enforcement agencies. ---------- Post added November-11th-2012 at 01:23 PM ---------- Looking at this thread, I think a better question might be: When the Republicans continue to obstruct, will their followers continue to claim that it isn't happening? As I stated before, where the Republicans SHOULD obstruct (the drone policy in particular) they are noting more then rubber stamps. The process of developing the secret kill lists should be investigated, who is being targeted and how should be investigated, and why drones are such a tool used by this administration to wage undeclared wars SHOULD be obstructed. Instead its a rubber stamp. And ultimately the President controls things like drones, foreign policies, law enforcement, the military far more then he does an economy. And Republicans have sat on the sideline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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