Mad Mike Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 It is for the worst and of course it has become the strategy for dealing with "suspected" terrorists in the middle east and that is because a President from the Democratic Party has cemented every single anti terror tool the Bush/Cheney administration wanted and in many cases (Drones) have gone further then Bush/Cheney ever did.The next R administration will have free reign to do whatever it pleases with drones and Democrats will be unable to stop them because their guy is the one who cemented these policies. Could you imagine the outcry if a Bush administration had a "secret kill list" Well Obama's strong counter terrorism policies are why I was able to vote for him, especially the first time. While everyone else was hearing what they wanted to hear, I was listening to what he said, and I knew he was going to be aggressive on terrorism. Terms like "secret kill lists" and "suspected" terrorist are completely misused. The "suspected" terrorists in the ME are people we have tracked and seen working with AQ and other dangerous groups. This is a ******* WAR. A war we did not start. And in war, you don't have a trial for every targeted unit. And you certainly don't publish your target list. And no, the next Pres will not be able to do whatever he wants. If he abuses his power, he will be impeached. Those are the rules. And one more time because I have never been one to stop hammering home a point.... Pakistan doesn't like our use of drones... big surprise. They don't like our use of ground troops, manned air power, or anything else we do to hunt terrorists. Are we supposed to stop fighting AQ because some crazy ass country like Pakistan where parents can kill their children over "honor" doesn't like it? Really? We have all learned this lesson personally in one way or another... you can't please everyone. And pleasing the terrorist supporting radicals in Pakistan is not high on my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 And no, the next Pres will not be able to do whatever he wants. If he abuses his power, he will be impeached. Those are the rules. Well, that's only if he does something that really registers with people in the US or Congress. There are plenty of ways to abuse power under the rader, or in ways that congress might not care about or overly disagree with. (this isn't a criticism of Obama though, just a general thought) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Well, that's only if he does something that really registers with people in the US or Congress. And, as we've all seen, what "really registers with Congress" depends a whole lot on whether they're the same Party or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 https://twitter.com/politico Breaking News: Obama said Friday he’s invited congressional leaders to White House next week to begin negotiations over the fiscal cliff. 1:16 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Some pretty smart political maneuvering by O during his discussion today IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Some pretty smart political maneuvering by O during his discussion today IMHO. Yeah it sounded like he will press Congress to extend middle class tax cuts first and foremost before negotiations on other items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/politics/obama-fiscal-cliff/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 Boehner has to publically drop the Norquist pledge, because when he says "a plan Republicans can accept" the Norquist dark cloud hangs ominously over him with the rain drops of "no raise in taxes" dripping from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Yeah it sounded like he will press Congress to extend middle class tax cuts first and foremost before negotiations on other items. But he needs to let those on wealthiest Americans expire. Maybe even create another tax bracket or two for those above $1m and another for those above $2m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 But he needs to let those on wealthiest Americans expire. Maybe even create another tax bracket or two for those above $1m and another for those above $2m. There looks to be a big gap between what some in the GOP may want to do and what they can actually do considering the circumstances and commitments that were made. I do not think the GOP will allow itself to get maneuvered into situation where they are fighting for upper income tax cuts separately from the middle class tax cuts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist#Taxpayer_Protection_Pledge As of late 2011, 238 of 242 House Republicans and 41 out of 47 Senate Republicans had signed ATR's "Taxpayer Protection Pledge", in which the pledger promises to "oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rate for individuals and business; and to oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates." The big question for me is how the GOP will handle the pledge in light of upcoming negotiations. The easy answer is, do not break the pledge on taxes, look like you are negotiating, maybe have the talks break down, and find a way to blame the Democrats for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 The big question for me is how the GOP will handle the pledge in light of upcoming negotiations. The easy answer is, do not break the pledge on taxes, look like you are negotiating, maybe have the talks break down, and find a way to blame the Democrats for it. That strategy certainly has worked for them in the past, as this thread amply demonstrates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrmooref Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist#Taxpayer_Protection_Pledge The big question for me is how the GOP will handle the pledge in light of upcoming negotiations. The easy answer is, do not break the pledge on taxes, look like you are negotiating, maybe have the talks break down, and find a way to blame the Democrats for it. The President has supposedly already offered cut $2-3 dollars for every new dollar of revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 The President has supposedly already offered cut $2-3 dollars for every new dollar of revenue. Irresistible force meets immovable object "As of late 2011, 238 of 242 House Republicans and 41 out of 47 Senate Republicans had signed ATR's "Taxpayer Protection Pledge"" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Yeah it sounded like he will press Congress to extend middle class tax cuts first and foremost before negotiations on other items. And, as much as I think that's both what's right for the country and the most fair negotiating tactic, the Republicans cannot possibly allow that to happen. If the tax cuts for the top 2% come up for a separate vote, the Rs will unanimously vote in favor of it, the Ds will mostly (but probably not unanimously) vote against it, and it won't get passed. (And the voters will overwhelmingly agree with the Ds.) The tax cuts on the top 2% don't pass, unless there's a hostage (and political cover) involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 If the President gets to his final two years "lame duck" years with nothing to show for it we are all doomed. Reid didn't say there was "NO Reason" to pass a budget the year before the election for "NO Reason". They both start working towards 'winning' at all costs earlier and earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 If the President gets to his final two years "lame duck" years with nothing to show for it we are all doomed.Reid didn't say there was "NO Reason" to pass a budget the year before the election for "NO Reason". They both start working towards 'winning' at all costs earlier and earlier. If the democrats are not careful these next 4 years, they will be setting themselves up for what could be stunning defeats in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 If the democrats are not careful these next 4 years, they will be setting themselves up for what could be stunning defeats in 2016. If the Republicans couldn't defeat a President with a record as bad as the current President what makes you think they could win in 2016 no matter how bad it gets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 If the Republicans couldn't defeat a President with a record as bad as the current President what makes you think they could win in 2016 no matter how bad it gets? Simple: as of right now, there is not enough pain for people to give a damn as incredible as it seems to me. Only when a person has skin in the game so to speak and is directly impacted, which is what I think is going to occur after these next few years, attitudes will change and action will result. I don't want more pain for society, but think it's certainly plausible given the current environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Simple: as of right now, there is not enough pain for people to give a damn as incredible as it seems to me. Only when a person has skin in the game so to speak and is directly impacted, which is what I think is going to occur after these next few years, attitudes will change and action will result. I don't want more pain for society, but think it's certainly plausible given the current environment. Enjoy the echo chamber over the next four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I think what some are missing is that most dislike Congress more than the President and while they might have been able to stomach Romney the idea of Romney plus that House was too much for all but the furthest right. Combining corrupt ideologues with a chameleon like Mitt is a scary thought. In other words, until you fix your House you have little chance at the White House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Burgold makes a really good point. I never really looked at it from that perspective, but once I think about what he wrote, it makes Romney even scarier lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I think what some are missing is that most dislike Congress more than the President and while they might have been able to stomach Romney the idea of Romney plus that House was too much for all but the furthest right. Combining corrupt ideologues with a chameleon like Mitt is a scary thought. In other words, until you fix your House you have little chance at the White House. In order for that to happen the Right has to first accept that their house needs fixing, which at this point seems to be something that the leadership is accepting, but not quite a reality that the rank and file are ready to come to terms with. We were told ad nauseum that the mid-term elections of two years ago were a referendum on the Obama administration, so what was this election a referendum on? Moderates and the Left still blame the Right for being out of touch, for antiquated views of women, for an absurd stance on immigration and for not working for the good of the country but instead working only to make Obama a one term President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Looking at this thread, I think a better question might be: When the Republicans continue to obstruct, will their followers continue to claim that it isn't happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Looking at this thread, I think a better question might be: When the Republicans continue to obstruct, will their followers continue to claim that it isn't happening? More like Republicans are obstructing the WRONG things, and Democrats, who used to obstruct the right things, are now going along because their guy is doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 More like Republicans are obstructing the WRONG things, and Democrats, who used to obstruct the right things, are now going along because their guy is doing it The preceding attempt to claim false equivalency, and then claim that "therefore, it's OK when my side does it, because I claim that your side acts that way", has been brought to you by decades of right wing media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I wonder how long it's going to take until we start seeing significant sectarian violence between conservatives and liberals in this country. I'm not saying we'll have a second civil war (though that thought has crossed my mind), but I feel like this country is sitting on a time bomb and nasty words are going to become actions any day now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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