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Per Schefter: Su'a Cravens Considering Retirement

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I feel like this is a typical blown out of proportion Redskins classic. Kid probably came out feeling like **** realizing that he is in the league for just a year and had a concussion, torn bicep and now a knee injury, and said to the coaches something like "hey maybe this is not for me, I might better retire while I can still walk and talk". They told him to relax and it's gonna be fine and he was like "ok cool". 

 

I can seriously imagine this being exactly like this. Tipical Redskins BS, everything somehow becomes public and goes to the media. Conversations between four eyes get to the espn in a matte of minutes. 

 

If the guy actually decides to retire, I wish him all the best. He plays hard and mostly good when he was is healty and I respect that. I see a lot of people are hating on him, even tho I've seen better performance from him last year out of position, than 90% of the players on that defense. I don't care that he makes millions, If he thinks that his body can't handle it, he would be better of quiting. No money will fix him if he can't walk and talk like a normal person.

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2 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Alright Bill Nye, show me your science that proves otherwise.  

Its not science that proves otherwise, which I'll link some studies and a scholarly article, but rather studies that are NOT cherry picking results to get funding and headlines for a socially charged issue. It absoluely ahould be studied, hell I have had at least 4 serious concussions myself. 

 

The problem is like when people are discussing suicide rates of vets. They claim they are much higher than non vets. In reality it is because most vets are men and men have higher suicide rates, when adjusted for that fact the suicide rates are the same as non vets! 

 

I just hate bad pseudoscience. Especially the kind that is made into a movie - for money. You think the movie producers were concerned about the science? That being said I am concerned about concussion and hope they do everthing they can short of destroying the game to help. 

 

 

Here are two good articles, one on the hype before science nature and the second one scholarly:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2017/07/the_press_is_overhyping_the_latest_study_on_cte_in_the_nfl.html

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24412888

 

And last one that is so w ell written and breaks down CTE from its early 20th century punch drunk boxer days  to modern era adoption of the term, even though they are truly not two linked phenomena. 

 

If you only read one, read this one:

http://www.jimschnabel.com/how-real-is-cte/

 

 

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1 minute ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

Yep, we don't have the full story. 

 

I think one of thr tweets was that it was deeper than physical injuries which makes me think hes suffering from mental illness as well. if thats the case, take the time you want.

 

if it is just injuries, i get that too. 

 

 

But overall, I'm not sure he's built for this life. He was very sensitive on twitter  about fans after every game. He made a scene over the "I can't see" think. Maybe lack of maturity 

 

Just recently he flipped out about his car from Eastern Motors on twitter, and that one tweet is a post of him DM'n a pornstar. 

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If he wants to retire he, by all means should, and quickly.  It's best for Su'a and the team.  It's unfortunate, but he never really had a spot honestly.  We were desperately trying to fit a square peg in a round hole at various positions due where we drafted him.  Also, I remember the concussion episode last year and feel he had grave misgivings then.  If your heart is not in it, don't do it; it just will not go well, especially in the NFL.  If it is true that the Redskins actually talked him out of it shame on those team officials.  That is a really bad look for us and, to me, almost crossing an ethical line, the pick be damned.  I hope that proves not to be the case, and wish Su'a the best if he moves on.  If fact, IF he was talked out of it we really hurt ourselves as far as picking up a player and/or cuts. Just not good all the way around.    

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2 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

Keep putting your foot in your mouth.  See if you can fit the whole thing.  It's pretty impressive.

 

I'm not sure what point you think you're making, but I don't mind being the jumping off point for it. Those guys are tragic examples of the tolls this game can take on players' health. Even more tragic is that those guys didn't know the dangers they were signing up for in their day. The small silver lining is that players nowadays know a lot more about the risks of the game, partially because of the suffering of those who came before them.

 

Which brings us back around to Cravens wanting to retire--as I said, due to the health risks of the game, I can empathize with him and even respect it. That doesn't mean I don't also get to feel disappointment in him as a player and a draft pick. That's part of my relationship with the team and with the players, as a fan. I can separate and understand my emotions, and the reason I have them. Some people can't, or only feel one thing about the situation--that's not my business. You can feel free to feel whatever you want.

 

In fact, I wonder how the FO/coaches who talked him into staying can look themselves in the mirror (even if it makes sense strategically) knowing that if he has CTE in the future, they'd be partially to blame for talking him into continuing taking the risks. But that's another conversation. 

 

My point was that we can feel these things for them as people, but we can also be disappointed in them as players because our fandom is why we're invested in them in the first place. They're modern gladiators in a way, and as an example fortunes are being made in the fantasy football industry off of the stats these guys put up. It's led to a change in how many fans see the players--and it sounds like to you, that's a bad thing. I understand that. I don't read very many fluff pieces about the players interests or families or personal stories anymore. Some, but not like when I was younger and became more invested in the individual players. Now I root more for their performance and W's than for personalities. Turnover is high, injury rate is high, to be honest the scumbag rate isn't high but the media coverage would have you think it is...I find it much easier and more enjoyable to put my hopes in the players as performers and potential winners than as people I want to root for. That's just me. 

 

Like I kinda said, in the modern game that's part of what the players sign up for and part of what they get paid for. I wasn't talking about the health risks, although there's more awareness about that than ever and if they choose to play and take the paycheck, they ARE signing up for that as well. I was talking about the players being seen as objects of entertainment rather than 'just' people, by fans.

 

It's incredibly naive to think that almost anyone here will care about Cravens' life after retirement. He'll just be another wasted draft pick, even if fans acknowledge it was his right to retire, even if they acknowledge it may have been the smart thing to do. Even if they empathize. We're still fans and we still mostly care, first and foremost, whether a guy is a good player and a good use of team resources.

 

I hope I explained my POV clearly enough, you seemed to either misinterpret it or take offense to it the first time around. 

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13 minutes ago, Gamebreaker said:

 

Being pissed that a second round pick wants to retire after one season is understandable. But being pissed doesn't justify all kinds of behavior or comments. 

14 minutes ago, Gamebreaker said:

 

Being pissed that a second round pick wants to retire after one season is understandable. But being pissed doesn't justify all kinds of behavior or comments. 

People are venting on a message board. I'll allow it to a certain extent. You are right though it doesn't make suaa bad person. Lord knows I was a commitment phobe in my early 20s

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Mentally he's already checked out and it's not fair to the other 10 players on defense if you got one guy who clearly isn't willing to give 100% for his team. No disrespect to him as it's his body but I want 53 players on my team that want to be there as opposed to having to be convinced to. Even if he does come back he's already given teams the blueprint on how to shake him off his game. 

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4 minutes ago, Gamebreaker said:

 

Exactly who the hell are you to determine what opinions are approved for football fans? Maybe this conversation is a little too mature for you. 

Though I agree wth you here, weren't you doing the same thing on the page previous when you called people's opinions in su quitting sad and pathetic? 

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Just hope it doesnt change his desire on the field or his work ethic to be the best safety he can be. It he starts half-assing it we might as well roll with Deshazor. 

 

Not frustrated with the player as much as I am frustrated that this team never being able catch a break. Junior Galette the past 2 years, Phil Taylor this year, now this. Annoys the hell out of me.

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10 minutes ago, Mooka said:

Starting to think that Scoty Mac was fired for straight incompetence. 

The 2016 draft is looking like a complete stinker. So far the only guy who's playing is Fuller whom we drafted with a torn knee.  

Sadly it sure isn't looking too damn good right now.  Kind of shocking really.  I think JDoc will be good, but who really knows. Not good at all. 

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