Trump on Trial (Trump indicted for a fourth time in Georgia. Expands his record of most indictments by a former president)

[Bang]

33 minutes ago, tshile said:

I would add - he should be forced to pay for the expense of transferring the documents back and forth, once it is certified. 

Hell, he's probably got copies, and he'll say so.
then sniff.

Lotsa sniffs.

 

~Bang

[China]

11 minutes ago, Bang said:

Hell, he's probably got copies, and he'll say so.
then sniff.

Lotsa sniffs.

 

~Bang

 

[TheDoyler23]

1 hour ago, China said:

Trump Declares, ‘I’m Allowed To Do Everything’ While Discussing Charges Against Him

 

Former President Donald Trump said in an interview aired Wednesday night that as president, he was “allowed to do everything” under the Presidential Records Act.

 

Behind this statement are probably like 5 lawyers telling him for the love of god don't say that. 

[Fresh8686]

11 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

*checks calendar

 

Boy, we sure did get lucky that today is "Everyone Is An Expert On Establishing, Securing, and Maintaining A SCIF" Day.

 

Eh, it's not that hard to build a SCIF.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 10, 2023 by Fresh8686

[Corcaigh]

Basically a big, heavy duty metal box. I’d be OK with Trump and his lawyers meeting in here at midday during the Florida summer.  

 

[Cooked Crack]

 

[LadySkinsFan]

Plenty of time!

[China]

Trump's lawyer suggested telling skeptics that it was normal procedure to have Trump's electors vote in states he didn't win, newly released memo shows

 

One of former President Donald Trump's campaign lawyers, in a previously secret memo, suggested telling people who were skeptical of a plan to overturn the 2020 election using fake electors that it was normal to have Trump's electors vote in losing states. 

 

The New York Times first obtained and reported on the memo Tuesday. 

 

The previously unknown campaign memo from December 2020 — penned by then-Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro — outlined a plan to overturn the 2020 election results.

 

Neither Chesebro nor representatives for Trump immediately responded to Insider's requests for comment on the memo.

 

According to the memo, the plan included having Trump-Pence electors in all six contested states send in certificates with their votes if one of the pending lawsuits looking into possible election interference was decided in the Trump campaign's favor.

 

Chesebro wrote in the memo that their electors' votes, which would be cast in December, as well as news of the plan, would leak before the presidential certification on January 6. 

"If the Trump campaign ends up deciding to have all of its electors vote on December 14, even in States in which Trump has not been declared the winner, presumably word of this will leak out prior to December 14," Chesebro wrote, adding that "there should be messaging that presents this as a routine measure that is necessary." 

 

He said that the Trump-Pence team should tell skeptics that they had their electors cast official votes in favor of Trump "to ensure that in the event the courts (or state legislatures) were to later conclude that Trump actually won the state, the correct electoral slate can be counted in Congress in January just as the Democrats did in Hawaii 1960, which ended up with Hawaii's electoral votes being awarded to Kennedy, even though the litigation was not resolved until after the electors voted." 

 

In 1960, Nixon won Hawaii by just 140 votes, Politico reported in 2022. A recount of the votes were underway when presidential electors met to cast their ballots. At the time, Politico reported, Kennedy's elector nominees from the state signed certificates at the same time Nixon's electors did, even though Hawaii's governor had certified Nixon's win.

 

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[Califan007 The Constipated]

Trump's lawyers are absolute idiots.

 

That is all.

 

(I just saw his lawyer's appearance on Face The Nation lol...hoo, boy).

 

 

[skinsmarydu]

They are indeed clowns.

And "ineffective counsel" could win an appeal later. 

[LadySkinsFan]

9 hours ago, skinsmarydu said:

They are indeed clowns.

And "ineffective counsel" could win an appeal later. 

 

Except that his lawyers are doing what he's told them to do. So that appeal might not fly. Because he could have stopped them. Just like J6, he could have called off his crowd instead of inciting them.

[LadySkinsFan]

The Republican White House lawyers that told Trump he lost the election could have gotten together after the Electoral College certified their votes and they could have held a press conference accepting the EC certification and declared, in public, that Biden won. 

 

Pull the rug from under Trump. Instead they stayed silent, stayed silent during and after J6. 

 

And we wouldn't have this Trump crap except I'm sure the classified documents charges, the fake electors, and maybe more would exist. But J6 wouldn't have happened.

 

These Republicans.

[tshile]

14 hours ago, skinsmarydu said:

They are indeed clowns.

And "ineffective counsel" could win an appeal later. 

These are his former (campaign) lawyers not his current (criminal defense) lawyers…

[China]

Trump's lawyers wanted Clarence Thomas to review their 2020 election lies, saying he was their 'only chance' of stopping Biden's victory

 

Donald Trump's lawyers — who were identified as co-conspirators in Trump's latest federal indictment — wanted Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to help them stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden's 2020 election victory.

 

That's according to emails previously obtained by the House select committee investigating the Capitol riot, as well as an internal campaign memo that The New York Times reported on this week.

 

"The point is to have the court say that probably the election was void, which should be enough to prevent the Senate from counting the Biden electoral votes from Georgia, right?" one Trump lawyer, Kenneth Chesebro, wrote in a December 31, 2020 email to other attorneys working on Trump's behalf to nullify Biden's victory.

 

Chesebro went on to say that "possibly Thomas would end up being the key here — circuit justice, right? We want to frame things so that Thomas could be the one to issue some sort of stay or other circuit justice opinion saying Georgia is in legitimate doubt."

Thomas is the circuit justice for Georgia, Alabama, and Florida, meaning he oversees emergency requests coming from those states.

 

"Realistically, our only chance to get a favorable judicial opinion by Jan. 6, which might hold up the Georgia count in Congress, is from Thomas — do you agree, Prof. Eastman?" Chesebro wrote in the email.

 

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[China]

Judge Limits Trump’s Ability to Share Jan. 6 Evidence

 

The federal judge overseeing former President Donald J. Trump’s prosecution on charges of seeking to overturn the 2020 election rejected his request on Friday to be able to speak broadly about evidence and witnesses — and warned Mr. Trump she would take necessary “measures” to keep him from intimidating witnesses or tainting potential jurors.

 

The caution from the judge, Tanya S. Chutkan, came during a 90-minute hearing in Federal District Court in Washington to discuss the scope of a protective order over the discovery evidence in Mr. Trump’s case, a typically routine step in criminal matters. Judge Chutkan said she planned to impose the order but agreed to a modification requested by the Trump legal team that it apply only to “sensitive” materials and not all evidence turned over to the defense.

 

She concluded the hearing with a blunt warning to Mr. Trump, and an unmistakable reference to a recent social media post in which he warned, “If you go after me, I’m coming after you!” — a statement his spokesman later said was aimed at political opponents and not at people involved in the case.

 

“I do want to issue a general word of caution — I intend to ensure the orderly administration of justice in this case as I would in any other case, and even arguably ambiguous statements by the parties or their counsel,” she said, could be considered an attempt to “intimidate witnesses or prejudice potential jurors,” triggering the court to take action.

 

“I caution you and your client to take special care in your public statements in this case,” she added. “I will take whatever measures are necessary to protect the integrity of these proceedings.”

 

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[mistertim]

If you want Donald Trump to talk about something, tell him he's not allowed to talk about it.

 

I wonder how long he'll be able to abide by these guidelines. I doubt it will last long.

[China]

The kingmaking Trump ally behind a cadre of rightwing judges

 

Donald Trump must have thought all his Christmases had come at once. As federal investigators explored his alleged hoarding of sensitive documents in 2022, Aileen Cannon, a judge nominated by the former president, was assigned the case.

 

It wasn’t just that Trump had appointed Cannon, who has since made rulings which would appear to help his defense. It was that Cannon was from an emerging rightwing cadre of the judiciary – a cabal of conservative judges created by Leonard Leo, the ultimate Republican kingmaker and a close Trump ally.

 

Those links between Cannon and a network of figures and groups on the right and far-right of US politics are coming under increasing scrutiny as the Trump case moves forwards but also because they show the very real impact of Leo and his actions on the US judiciary.

 

Cannon rose to prominence after being handed Trump’s case in Florida, as investigators saw to gain access to boxes of documents found in his Mar-a-Lago club by the FBI. The judge, who was nominated by Trump and appointed in 2020, appointed a special master at the request of Trump’s lawyers, who was charged with vetting the seized records.

 

A federal appeals court later terminated the special master review, and scolded Cannon, saying she did not have the authority to prevent the justice department from accessing the materials found at Mar-a-Lago. Experts agreed.

 

Cannon remains in charge of the case, however, which is scheduled for May 2024. Trump was indicted in June and faces 37 federal counts, including 31 violations of the Espionage Act.

With Cannon’s profile higher than ever, her impartiality is being questioned. The judge’s financial disclosure form for 2021, which was reviewed by Accountable.US, a liberal leaning watchdog group that tracks government corruption, shows that she was reimbursed by George Madison University’s Antonin Scalia Law School for a six day trip to “colloquium seminar” held at a resort and spa in Montana in September.

 

The law school was renamed in after Scalia, a conservative supreme court justice in 2016 – months after his death – “the result,” the New York Times reported, “of a $30 million gift brokered by Leonard Leo.” George Madison University intended the Antonin Scalia school to become “a Yale or Harvard of conservative legal scholarship and influence”, the Times wrote.

The purpose of Cannon’s 2021 trip, according to her financial disclosure form, was to attend the “Sage Lodge Colloquium”, an annual conference held by the law school in the town of Pray, Montana. Newsweek reported that Cannon attended the colloquium again in 2022.

 

It is not clear why her hotel and travel was paid for. Organizations will commonly reimburse guest speakers or lecturers, but the agenda of that year’s seminar does not show Cannon doing any teaching or speaking.

 

Cannon was not required to state how much she was reimbursed by the law school, and there is no suggestion of any wrongdoing.

 

“Leonard Leo has written the playbook on judicial influence-peddling. It’s no surprise that Judge Cannon has benefited from Leo’s well-funded network,” said Kyle Herrig, senior adviser at Accountable.US. “Over decades, Leo has used shady tactics to curry favor with judges at all levels in service of his ultimate goal: to force an extreme, radical agenda on Americans.”

 

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[Larry]

I keep chuckling every time I see references to the Antonin Scalia School of Law.  (Which is at George Mason University.)  Because of the poster here who kept abbreviating it as ASSOL.  

 

[The Evil Genius]

Someone got into their adderall stash early.

 

 

Edited August 12, 2023 by The Evil Genius

[China]

Perfect phone call! 😀

[Corcaigh]

3 hours ago, The Evil Genius said:

Someone got into their adderall stash early.

 

 

I know it’s been going on for more than seven years now but I still can’t understand in what ****ing universe can nearly half the country think this guy is fit to be President.

[Larry]

1 hour ago, Corcaigh said:

I know it’s been going on for more than seven years now but I still can’t understand in what ****ing universe can nearly half the country think this guy is fit to be President.

It's the same one where a major political party can look at an epidemic that's killing 2,000 Americans a day. And there's a vaccine which has been shown in a double blind study to be 93% effective, and decide that opposing it is a winning political move. 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

 

 

 

 

Remember when everyone was afraid of DeSantis running for president because he was a "smarter version of Trump"?...Good times.

[Larry]

52 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said:

Remember when everyone was afraid of DeSantis running for president because he was a "smarter version of Trump"?...Good times.

 

Your point is that we shouldn't have worried about a "smarter version of Trump" winning the nomination?  

 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

5 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

Your point is that we shouldn't have worried about a "smarter version of Trump" winning the nomination?  

 

 

My point was that DeSantis wasn't a "smarter version" of a Hefty bag, nonetheless Trump lol...My point is that anyone thinking Trump supporters were wishing they had a smarter version of him wasn't paying attention. So spending time worrying about this Disney-fighting doofus was...well...good times.