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Convicted felon Donald Trump on Trial (Found guilty on 34 felony counts. 54 criminal count still in the air)


Cooked Crack

Will Trump be convicted in any of his cases?  

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  1. 1. Will Trump be convicted in any of his cases?

    • Yes. He's going 4 for 4. (including Georgia)
    • He's going to lose 3
    • Two for sure
    • He's only going to get convicted in one
    • No. He's going to skate

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15 minutes ago, Jabbyrwock said:

 

I understood it to be a guy selling coffee mugs.

 

Same.  It's Biden poking fun at the Let's Go Brandon stuff, which was juvenile to begin with and easily mocked.  I follow politics pretty closely, it never occurred to me that it was in any way a reference to Trump's legal issues.  

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Apparently, Trump's lawyer Lauro, in making the media rounds over the weekend violated a local rule of the court.  I'm thinking Trump's team is going to get a stern talking to when they have the hearing on Friday:

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said:

Delay delay delay

 

 

Prosecution shot a hole in Defense counsel's argument that Prosecution isn't cooperative in speaking to resolve issues. Prosecution's response clearly must have spoken with the Defense regarding their availability.

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2 hours ago, Cooked Crack said:

Delay delay delay

Yup. 
 

They’re working with what they got. Delays, generic be arguments about first amendment and politicization of DOJ. 
 

that’s really all they seem to have at the moment. 

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27 minutes ago, tshile said:

Yup. 
 

They’re working with what they got. Delays, generic be arguments about first amendment and politicization of DOJ. 
 

that’s really all they seem to have at the moment. 

 

We will all note that all of these tactics are not legal arguments designed to win on the merits in court.  They are procedural and political tactics aimed at poisoning the well of public opinion and delaying a ruling so Trump can win the election and pardon himself.  A cynic might think that Team Trump knows they are buried from a legal perspective. 

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1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

We will all note that all of these tactics are not legal arguments designed to win on the merits in court.  They are procedural and political tactics aimed at poisoning the well of public opinion and delaying a ruling so Trump can win the election and pardon himself.  A cynic might think that Team Trump knows they are buried from a legal perspective. 

Exactly. And that is my assumption. 
 

to borrow a tired and overused saying - it doesn’t seem they have the facts or the law on their side so they pounding the table.  
 

i predicted this is what they would do because I doubted they had a case. I’ve pointed out along the way they are continuing to do it because I still doubt they have a case. 
 

and just to point out the delay tactic isn’t something that’s a trump thing. It’s a very common tactic in both civil and criminal litigation/trials. There are many reasons why it may be to one sided advantage to delay. You can take it to mean they don’t have a case or are guilty, and many times that’s probably true, but there are other reasons as well. 

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1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

We will all note that all of these tactics are not legal arguments designed to win on the merits in court.  They are procedural and political tactics aimed at poisoning the well of public opinion and delaying a ruling so Trump can win the election and pardon himself.  A cynic might think that Team Trump knows they are buried from a legal perspective. 

It's funny that he thinks he can win. 66% of the country hates him with a strong passion.

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2 minutes ago, @DCGoldPants said:

Too moble

Haven't you seen Trump's ability to run down the final couple steps of a ramp after baby-walking most of the way?  That's pure athleticism.

Plus the signature stink-face move just seems at home with a sex-offender like Trump.

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1 hour ago, Skintime said:

It's funny that he thinks he can win. 66% of the country hates him with a strong passion.


OMG, he can definitely win. Do not get complacent. 
 

This is not a national election. This is going to come down to 80,000 low information voters in 4 states. Passion does not matter. Be afraid. 

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10 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:


OMG, he can definitely win. Do not get complacent. 
 

This is not a national election. This is going to come down to 80,000 low information voters in 4 states. Passion does not matter. Be afraid. 

People said the same thing in 2015.
Full on Cult of Personality, and 4 yrs to figure out how to steal it, for real this time.

Don't ever underestimate fascists.

~Bang

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58 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

This is not a national election. This is going to come down to 80,000 low information voters in 4 states. Passion does not matter. Be afraid. 

And some states that changed their rules and made it easier to overthrow the results next time. 

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Previously Secret Memo Laid Out Strategy for Trump to Overturn Biden’s Win

 

The House Jan. 6 committee’s investigation did not uncover the memo, whose existence first came to light in last week’s indictment.

 

A lawyer allied with President Donald J. Trump first laid out a plot to use false slates of electors to subvert the 2020 election in a previously unknown internal campaign memo that prosecutors are portraying as a crucial link in how the Trump team’s efforts evolved into a criminal conspiracy.

 

The existence of the Dec. 6, 2020, memo came to light in last week’s indictment of Mr. Trump, though its details remained unclear. But a copy obtained by The New York Times shows for the first time that the lawyer, Kenneth Chesebro, acknowledged from the start that he was proposing “a bold, controversial strategy” that the Supreme Court “likely” would reject in the end.

 

But even if the plan did not ultimately pass legal muster at the highest level, Mr. Chesebro argued that it would achieve two goals. It would focus attention on claims of voter fraud and “buy the Trump campaign more time to win litigation that would deprive Biden of electoral votes and/or add to Trump’s column.”

 

The memo had been a missing piece in the public record of how Mr. Trump’s allies developed their strategy to overturn Mr. Biden’s victory. In mid-December, the false Trump electors could go through the motions of voting as if they had the authority to do so. Then, on Jan. 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence could unilaterally count those slates of votes, rather than the official and certified ones for Joseph R. Biden Jr.

 

While that basic plan itself was already known, the document, described by prosecutors as the “fraudulent elector memo,” provides new details about how it originated and was discussed behind the scenes. Among those details is Mr. Chesebro’s proposed “messaging” strategy to explain why pro-Trump electors were meeting in states where Mr. Biden was declared the winner. The campaign would present that step as “a routine measure that is necessary to ensure” that the correct electoral slate could be counted by Congress if courts or legislatures later concluded that Mr. Trump had actually won the states.

 

But the indictment portrayed the Dec. 6 memo as a “sharp departure” from that proposal, becoming what prosecutors say was a criminal plot to engineer “a fake controversy that would derail the proper certification of Biden as president-elect.”

 

“I recognize that what I suggest is a bold, controversial strategy, and that there are many reasons why it might not end up being executed on Jan. 6,” Mr. Chesebro wrote. “But as long as it is one possible option, to preserve it as a possibility it is important that the Trump-Pence electors cast their electoral votes on Dec. 14.”

 

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