FrFan Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) I hope all these teams will bid against each others, so we get the best trade value. Edited October 30, 2023 by FrFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Not sure of the accuracy but... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 do it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 If Atlanta is willing to make this trade it means Ridder is healthy. No way they are doing it with TH behind center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Interesting if that pans out. I was not expecting Ownership to push for any trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Sweat for Kyle Pitts. I’m in. We’re going to get a 4th rounder and even I am going to hate it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 A conditional 3rd that can turn into a 2nd...meh I'm okay with it. For whatever reason, this defense is not performing up to the amount invested in it. Its time to blow it up and start over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzplay Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Out of the frying pan, into the fire for Sweat if he goes ro ATL. Smith is best suited as an OC under a strong HC. They win nothing under his leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Going Commando said: If we dump Young or Sweat for some crappy day two return, we have to spend another first just to have reasonable hope to make a lateral move to replace them. How is this not part of the resource management calculation? The Eagles lost Javon Hargrave and had to spend a top ten pick to replace him. The 49ers traded Deforest Buckner only to immediately replace him with a 14th overall pick in Javon Kinlaw, who is a bust, and eventually have to spend big to replace him with Hargrave. These are not cases of good asset management that we should be copying. You don't get better by dumping or letting your best homegrown players walk, only to spend the money you should have given them on some mediocre high dollar free agent on the OL like Mike McGlinchey or Jawaan Taylor. If you really want to improve the OL, then you should be using those first round picks you now have to spend on edge on OTs. I'd like to hear some specifics from folks who think we should trade Chase and/or Montez. Who do you all think we should give their money to instead? To me if we are going to pay 4 D-Lineman top tier money we need that unit to dominate. And they are not dominating. Spend the money on O-Line (albeit, there are no good free agents this year), TE, LB CB, WR. I do see your point. I looked at the O-Line free agents and this class is not good. Its worse than last year. O-Line realistically has to be addressed in the draft. If we don't get offered a 2nd rounder or better for Sweat I would feel I had to move him because you are right we could resign them both. But you don't want to have some capital in a good, but not great unit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, philibusters said: To me if we are going to pay 4 D-Lineman top tier money we need that unit to dominate. And they are not dominating. Spend the money on O-Line (albeit, there are no good free agents this year), TE, LB CB, WR. This is where I stand now as well. I have no issue with paying guys at the same position but you gotta produce. This "vaunted" DL simply disappears way too often in big games against quality opponents for me to justify keeping them together for longer. We need a reset on defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, ixcuincle said: do it Given the contract extension Rashan Gary just got, it becomes even more imperative to move Sweat. Don't want to pay that guy $25M+ a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I wonder how much interest Young will still garner. He was completely MIA yesterday and has a history of no showing vs quality opponents. And apparently teams are terrified his knee might blow up at any time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Just now, Warhead36 said: This is where I stand now as well. I have no issue with paying guys at the same position but you gotta produce. This "vaunted" DL simply disappears way too often in big games against quality opponents for me to justify keeping them together for longer. We need a reset on defense. They have produced. Chase and Montez already have 11.5 sacks between them and Chase is near the top of the league in basically every pressure statistic. They have been great this season, and the way we are supposed to operate is that when guys produce big seasons for us, they get paid. That's the deal. It's the whole reason we stupidly declined Chase's fifth year option. Why is the deal suddenly changing for them? Guys earn contracts based on what they do as individuals. You don't make decisions about what to pay them based on what their teammates or their coaches are doing. You base the decision on what they themselves have done and are capable of doing. Trading Montez or Chase at the deadline in a year where they are playing well seems so far off of Ron's philosophy and MO that I can only suspect that this is being driven by ownership. And that is unacceptable to me if true. If it turns out that Harris is forcing Ron to make changes to his roster midseason, then I don't want to see anyone giving Harris a pass for this. That kind of direct meddling with a roster midseason is absolutely never OK under any circumstances from ownership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: I wonder how much interest Young will still garner. He was completely MIA yesterday and has a history of no showing vs quality opponents. And apparently teams are terrified his knee might blow up at any time... I understand he is a gamewrecker but I see any team coming to an agreement with him being extremely difficult due to the knee. He is going to want a long term deal with a lot of guaranteed money and teams are going to want to give him a short term deal/low guaranteed money due to the knee. Let us not be the team dealing with the BS and let's trade him too. Our downside case here is that there are a number of starting caliber mid level pass rushers who are FAs who will cost half or less than these guys - Epenesa, Armstrong, Z. Smith, Floyd, Davenport, etc. Can scoop two of these guys up if needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Keim with Nicki from the WP on a podcast said three teams have interest in Sweat. Interest in Chase not that hot. Sheehan this morning doubled down on what Russell and Finlay have hinted which is there are off the field issues involving Chase. But he wasn’t specific. Sheehan is a big Chase guy generally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Going Commando said: They have produced. Chase and Montez already have 11.5 sacks between them and Chase is near the top of the league in basically every pressure statistic. They have been great this season, and the way we are supposed to operate is that when guys produce big seasons for us, they get paid. That's the deal. It's the whole reason we stupidly declined Chase's fifth year option. Why is the deal suddenly changing for them? Guys earn contracts based on what they do as individuals. You don't make decisions about what to pay them based on what their teammates or their coaches are doing. You base the decision on what they themselves have done and are capable of doing. Trading Montez or Chase at the deadline in a year where they are playing well seems so far off of Ron's philosophy and MO that I can only suspect that this is being driven by ownership. And that is unacceptable to me if true. If it turns out that Harris is forcing Ron to make changes to his roster midseason, then I don't want to see anyone giving Harris a pass for this. That kind of direct meddling with a roster midseason is absolutely never OK under any circumstances from ownership. Their sack totals are inflated by some of the really bad teams they've played. They consistently no show against good teams or in big moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayAction Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Going Commando said: Trading Montez or Chase at the deadline in a year where they are playing well seems so far off of Ron's philosophy and MO that I can only suspect that this is being driven by ownership. And that is unacceptable to me if true. If it turns out that Harris is forcing Ron to make changes to his roster midseason, then I don't want to see anyone giving Harris a pass for this. That kind of direct meddling with a roster midseason is absolutely never OK under any circumstances from ownership. Under any circumstances? If Harris has already decided that Ron will be fired at the end of the season then it makes sense to set up a new GM for success. Having said that, I hope Harris has at least discussed this with some GM consultant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Keim with Nicki from the WP on a podcast said three teams have interest in Sweat. Interest in Chase not that hot. Sheehan this morning doubled down on what Russell and Finlay have hinted which is there are off the field issues involving Chase. But he wasn’t specific. Sheehan is a big Chase guy generally Loverro has as well. Those + the stability of his knee make me think we don’t want to be the sucker handing him a long term deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmandoug1 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Chase did nothing yesterday.....got stood up or pushed out of the play consistently. Montez had one sack 9 hours after Hurts dropped back. Trade Sweat for the third and possible 2nd. Next man up.....Toohill seems to have the best motor out of all of them. He has 4 sacks on a tenth of the plays they have. Let's play the rookies and see where we stand. Season seems to be slipping away anyway. JMHO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzplay Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) To quote Keim from two off-seasons ago on RR's handling of the OL: "botched". Fast forward to this off-season. The strongest weaknesses on an already woefully subpar OL are the pieces RR thought it best to add. It's unbelievable Edited October 30, 2023 by skinzplay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Their sack totals are inflated by some of the really bad teams they've played. They consistently no show against good teams or in big moments. Ya wasn't Young's two sack game last week against a replacement dude off of the couch. All I saw yesterday was him losing contain and/or hugging the opposition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Falcons have an extra 3rd or 4th rounder coming in from the Calvin Ridley trade. I would be pushing them in a trade for more than just a 3rd. 1 minute ago, rumplestilskin said: Ya wasn't Young's two sack game last week against a replacement dude off of the couch. All I saw yesterday was him losing contain and/or hugging the opposition. Playing safe to not get injured. Ship him out too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Little interest in Chase is fine by me. I'd much rather the next staff get their hands on him and decide what they want to do with him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: Playing safe to not get injured. Ship him out too. This is what I speculated as well. He looked like he was sandbagging. You didn't see that normal Chase Young energy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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