Fergasun Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 There is also a "due process" to reinstate an insurrectionist. Quote But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. So, I don't see how SCOTUS can remove such disability either. That would be uncomstitutional. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmirOfShmo Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) Edited December 20, 2023 by EmirOfShmo 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: Thus allowing their Party to nominate a candidate who cannot legally run in the general. I'm a Democrat, and I approve of this message. 1 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Mitch could have given this exact speech before the Colorado Supreme Court to bolster their decision disqualifying Trump for participating in an insurrection: Mitch McConnell says Trump is responsible for provoking riot after Senate votes for impeachment acquittal | CNN Politics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Texas atty general threatened to not allow Joe Biden's name on their ballot if the Colorado ruling is allowed to stand. 🤠🤡 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, Jumbo said: Texas atty general That would be the criminal known as Ken Paxton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Just now, The Evil Genius said: That would be the criminal known as Ken Paxton. Yeh, couldn't remember the chud's name which happens with me sometimes when someone is as stupid and vile as kenny. Abbot is such a rancid douchebag, too. Too much of Texas is like Florida's inbred cousin. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 I was browsing legal corners the Internet and I came across an article that said the criminal trials of Trump should be pushed forward and completed before the trial because he has the power to stop them. via Patterico Quote If there is a reason a defendant might not be triable after a certain date, for any reason, it is good (and non-political) for the justice system to try that defendant before that certain date. It’s just like when a statute of limitations is coming up. It’s good to file the charge before the statute of limitations runs. And no matter how many partisans line up to tell you that there is no rule of law justification for doing so, there is. So you can ignore the partisan yammering as so much background noise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 37 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said: Biden campaign should start looking for used Trump branded clothing with the "Made In China" tags and start using them in ads when get rolling. "American First? Looks like this guy never lived up to his own motto." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 7 hours ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: Tripping hard… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearfeather Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 I don't like this decisions chances of holding up with the Supremes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Spearfeather said: I don't like this decisions chances of holding up with the Supremes. I wish Diana, Mary, and Flo could decide. 1 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, Spearfeather said: I don't like this decisions chances of holding up with the Supremes. Based on what? Not sarcasm, I think there is a good discussion to be had on different merits, standing, etc. And it's interesting watching the legal people go back and forth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 @TheGreatBuzz @Spearfeather There's the facts and then the law. Courts intepret the law and apply. The facts to the law. I think the Colorado decision is solid and appropriate. The Trump voters will see it as the biggest affront to Democracy ever. I don't see how the SCOTUS could overturn without upending the Fourteenth Amendment itself, which they might do. Due process only protects against life, liberty, etc. The right to be on a ballot is not really a core Constitutional guarantee. The Constitution itself says that states run their elections and the 14th Amendment says insurrectionists can be disqualified. I think a State Court is very much an appropriate place to challenge a qualification to be on the ballot under the Constitution. Does a state need a defined process? So a state would deprive a voter of a process to enforce the 14th Amendment? The State Supreme court upheld the judge finding of facts. If they overturn this by saying "people can vote for whom they want' than the age and natural born qualificiations can also be thrown out. So, I think it is a tricky case to get to the result most of SCOTUS may want. Even though due process seems decent path... it's not clear to me it is. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearfeather Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, Fergasun said: The Constitution itself says that states run their elections and the 14th Amendment says insurrectionists can be disqualified. Who's been charged and/or found guilty of insurrection ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Spearfeather said: Who's been charged and/or found guilty of insurrection ? Where does it say in section 3 of the 14th Amendment that someone has to be charged and found guilty? That is what makes it a mess for not being clearer. Also, there hasn't been what happened on J6 in the United States since when? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, Spearfeather said: Who's been charged and/or found guilty of insurrection ? It simply says "shall have engaged in insurrection." There's nothing in the text that says "convicted of insurrectionist crimes". In fact just being in the Confederate legislature got someone disqualified in the 1860s. And people are trying to read things into the actual Constitutional text. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Because of the presumption of innocence in this country I don’t think you can legally be found to have engaged in resurrection unless you are convicted of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbyrwock Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 minute ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Because of the presumption of innocence in this country I don’t think you can legally be found to have engaged in resurrection unless you are convicted of it. Nailed it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jabbyrwock said: Nailed it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Quote % who approve / disapprove of the Colorado Supreme Court ruling U.S. adults: 54% / 35% Honestly better than I expected. 🤭 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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