TheShredder Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: I don’t see Collins returning. Maybe but I don’t see it. I made a bold prediction sure to go wrong they would re-sign both Cole and Daron before TC. Don't you think they'll let Payne play out this year, then if he balls out they could non-exclusive tag him and see if they can make a deal or trade him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan4128 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, TheShredder said: Don't you think they'll let Payne play out this year, then if he balls out they could non-exclusive tag him and see if they can make a deal or trade him? Payne is a double team kind of DT that doesn't really show up on the stat sheet. If rumors are true and he's looking for Jon Allen type of money, I say let him play out this year and let him test FA. My guess is most teams will view him in the same light as we do. So, he'll either return on a reasonable contract with us or move on elsewhere. Honestly, guys like him are a dime a dozen. It'll more than likely depend on if he wants to remain here or move on. HTTR! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, TheShredder said: Don't you think they'll let Payne play out this year, then if he balls out they could non-exclusive tag him and see if they can make a deal or trade him? But I think they have to deal with Swear next season also, so I’m pretty sure they don’t want to have to handle both at the same time. Which is why Payne this year makes sense. But they are not going to pay him Jon Allen money. If that’s what he’s looking for then it won’t get done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 minute ago, skinsfan4128 said: Honestly, guys like him are a dime a dozen. It'll more than likely depend on if he wants to remain here or move on. I don’t think that’s fair. I think Payne is a lot better than a dime a dozen. But I don’t think he’s elite. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan4128 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: I don’t think that’s fair. I think Payne is a lot better than a dime a dozen. But I don’t think he’s elite. I get that some might think that. Payne takes on a ton of double teams that doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But honestly, is Payne anything game changing? Not as far as I've seen. And honestly, if reports are accurate, he certainly isn't worth Allen money. Run stuffing, double teaming DTs are littered throughout the league. And they can be had for pennies against the dollar. Guys like Allen are the ones you want to lock down for the big dollars. Payne is not Allen. And I like Payne, by the way. But he is replaceable. HTTR! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Payne is severely underrated by fans here. His biggest positive is that he plays and plays a LOT. Guy had a ton of snaps played last year and played at a pretty high level. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said: I don’t see Collins returning. Maybe but I don’t see it. I made a bold prediction sure to go wrong they would re-sign both Cole and Daron before TC. Saw that and I like it. Supposedly were turning down trade offers for Payne, which I really like. Having 3 very talented young DTs who know each other so well and push each other like they do, is just awesome energy to have in the middle of our defense. 4 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Payne is severely underrated by fans here. His biggest positive is that he plays and plays a LOT. Guy had a ton of snaps played last year and played at a pretty high level. I'm curious to see how his game changes when he only has to play 60-75% of snaps instead of 90%+. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 They've apparently turned down trades for Payne, so the picks were likely 4th round or worse as they'll eventually get an end of the 3rd comp pick if he walks. Just interested in speculating about their plan??? Usually guys in this scenario ball out. I like Payne as he is a non-stop, chase down the play, and doesn't miss games or downs. I feel like he's going to want his bag too, of coarse, but can't see anyone giving him big money. He's 7th in the league with 47 solo tackles and tied for 19th in sacks with 5. How much do you lose from replacing him with Mathis? Probably not a big enough dropoff to justify the expense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Warhead36 said: Payne is severely underrated by fans here. His biggest positive is that he plays and plays a LOT. Guy had a ton of snaps played last year and played at a pretty high level. It comes down to Payne or Sweat, I'm paying Sweat. It's a no brainer for me. I know both play different positions but let's see how the stats play out this year. I think Sweat outplays Payne hands down. Edited June 30, 2022 by RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 16 hours ago, FLSkinz83 said: I disagree. We have two starters and a rookie. Wise? C'mon man Bring in Star Lotuleilei. Yep. Wise is like the Jeremy Reaves of DLs. He's a guy you keep on the PS and call up sometime in the season when you are dealing with injuries. Same thing David Mayo. The most important get would be a proven LB who could start as needed. I don't trust Davis and they need someone in case he ****s the bed, kind of like how the Ravens had Bynes for when Patrick Queen shat the bed this season. I'd be fine if they brought a Darryl Roberts vet min type in to camp and they should also bring in a vet to compete for the 4th DT spot. If not Star, bring in a Danny Shelton type on a low ball deal to compete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) On 6/4/2022 at 11:18 PM, Koolblue13 said: What LBers are still available? I really want Collins back, but that probably won't happen until right before mini camps. Been looking around: Anthony Barr (got knee problems contemplated retirement) Joe Schobert (ex-Jaguar could be extra useful) A.J. Klein (x-panther good 3rd down) Edited June 30, 2022 by TheShredder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Is The Way Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 12 hours ago, skinsfan4128 said: I get that some might think that. Payne takes on a ton of double teams that doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But honestly, is Payne anything game changing? Not as far as I've seen. And honestly, if reports are accurate, he certainly isn't worth Allen money. Run stuffing, double teaming DTs are littered throughout the league. And they can be had for pennies against the dollar. Guys like Allen are the ones you want to lock down for the big dollars. Payne is not Allen. And I like Payne, by the way. But he is replaceable. HTTR! That's what I believe they are going to do with Mathis. He plays the exact same way as payne and if he looks competent I think they let payne test FA next offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 9 hours ago, RWJ said: It comes down to Payne or Sweat, I'm paying Sweat. It's a no brainer for me. I know both play different positions but let's see how the stats play out this year. I think Sweat outplays Payne hands down. I dunno. Sweat has yet to live up to his abilities, will be more expensive, and has shown to be immature. If Young/Sweat don’t have a breakout season this year it’s time to change things up. Payne is solid. He allows you to ignore the middle of the line and concentrate on other things. I wouldn’t pay him too if the market money, but I’d pay him good money. It could be they just do nothing and then choose which one they want to sign next off-season. But I kindof think ideally they would get it done this year that way they know they have that locked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 14 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said: But I think they have to deal with Swear next season also, so I’m pretty sure they don’t want to have to handle both at the same time. Which is why Payne this year makes sense. But they are not going to pay him Jon Allen money. If that’s what he’s looking for then it won’t get done. Maybe Payne and Sweat are competing against each other this season for a long term contract in DC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, kingdaddy said: Maybe Payne and Sweat are competing against each other this season for a long term contract in DC? Yeah, it’s very possible. Though maybe not necessarily a direct competition because of both of them ball out they could sign both, or if both disappoint, they could sign neither. The difference is, of course, Sweat is under contract for 2023, and Payne is not. But if you’re going to extend him you’d prefer to do it prior to his 5th year option year. But you don’t have to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 One trade or free agent acquisition for all 32 NFL teams before 2022 training camp WASHINGTON COMMANDERS: SIGN LB JOE SCHOBERT Schobert, 28, is just two years removed from signing a five-year, $53.75 million contract with the Jaguars yet remains unsigned since being released by the Steelers in March. Washington is counting on a second-year leap from Jamin Davis but would benefit from a veteran presence at linebacker. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-one-trade-free-agent-acquisition-all-32-teams-training-camp-2022#WSH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Feels like the team should look at extending Fuller this offseason. You could make the argument St Juste is the succession plan there, but personally I think it makes more sense for him to (hopefully) supplant Jackson after this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 50 minutes ago, skinny21 said: Feels like the team should look at extending Fuller this offseason. You could make the argument St Juste is the succession plan there, but personally I think it makes more sense for him to (hopefully) supplant Jackson after this year. He's under contract for 2 more years. Next off-season, if they want to extend him, they can. This year, there's not point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said: He's under contract for 2 more years. Next off-season, if they want to extend him, they can. This year, there's not point. That’s so strange, I would have sworn we signed him to a 3 year deal. And that’s not just because 3 years has sort of been SOP (Roullier, Samuel, Thomas, Jackson, etc), or I got him mixed up with someone else… I’ve thought it since we signed him. Well alrighty then. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cooleyfan1993 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) @Skinsinparadise isn’t App State in Colorado? (I’ve always thought it is, could be very wrong. Entirely possible I’m wrong, as until recently I thought Villanova was in VA) or Ron was out in Denver checking on Chase Young, since he’s still there continuing his rehab? EDIT: never mind. App state is in NC. Edited July 1, 2022 by Cooleyfan1993 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said: @Skinsinparadise isn’t App State in Colorado? (I’ve always thought it is, could be very wrong. Entirely possible I’m wrong, as until recently I thought Villanova was in VA) or Ron was out in Denver checking on Chase Young, since he’s still there continuing his rehab? EDIT: never mind. App state is in NC. Could be as to Chase, good call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 27 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said: or Ron was out in Denver checking on Chase Young, since he’s still there continuing his rehab? Something Chase related makes sense to me. Like shuttling out team doctors to get a first hand examination of his progress and figure out the next few steps in recovery. Its not exactly like they could look at an Xray, they may need to test things like elasticity and feel swelling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 hours ago, FootballZombie said: Something Chase related makes sense to me. Like shuttling out team doctors to get a first hand examination of his progress and figure out the next few steps in recovery. Its not exactly like they could look at an Xray, they may need to test things like elasticity and feel swelling. Or just shuttling Chase back and forth. Could be anything. But Chase is a theory which fits the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said: Or just shuttling Chase back and forth. Could be anything. But Chase is a theory which fits the facts. Complete waste of money to fuel a private jet for a check up. Why not send the Dr on a first class ticket commercial flight and save the ~20k unless it was an emergency or multitasking Edited July 1, 2022 by TheShredder cost 20k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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