CapsSkins Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 CF93 seems kinda naive to me about how the real world works, and I'm not trying to be condescending but that's the best way of putting it. When you make a high-profile hire, aka one that's written about, and that person turns out to get raided by the DEA, it's not a good look. And it can hamper your credibility when you're preaching high-character and integrity. "Yeah, yeah, Ron's all about character but his right hand guy was moonlighting as the football El Chapo so how important is character, really? How good a judge of character is Ron, really?" Jay Gruden was asked on radio about the importance of the head athletic trainer to the head coach and he said the position was as important as the offensive or defensive coordinators - lots of relying on that individual and working closely with them. RV was Ron's guy. Ron was brought to turn around the culture. This is a black mark on that mandate, however much it is or isn't his "fault". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 What the ol River Boar knew is relevant. If he knew his hand picked trainer was into some criminal business then he should be fired immediately. Im guessing we all agree on that, it’s not exactly controversial. If he did not, and I assume he didn’t, than it’s a mistake he has to own. Trusting the wrong person once isn’t the worst thing, but forgiving is not forgetting. Nothing that generates negative headlines is ever really forgotten. Certainly not by your boss. If anything else untoward occurs, people will imagine they see a pattern. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 He worked nine years with Rivera, and his position is at the top of the football team crew. I can be wrong but It's difiicult for me to believe that Ron didn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 hour ago, FrFan said: He worked nine years with Rivera, and his position is at the top of the football team crew. I can be wrong but It's difiicult for me to believe that Ron didn't know. There's not nearly enough information about what the trainer is accused of to make a judgement like that. What if he only started some shady operation during the pandemic? He might have been a boy scout for all those years Ron worked with him before. Let's wait and see what he's done, when he started doing it and why before we gather our torches and pitchforks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 It’s not a great look for Rivera and the team however you slice it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 41 minutes ago, Gurgeh said: There's not nearly enough information about what the trainer is accused of to make a judgement like that. What if he only started some shady operation during the pandemic? He might have been a boy scout for all those years Ron worked with him before. Let's wait and see what he's done, when he started doing it and why before we gather our torches and pitchforks. DEA investigation of Washington’s trainer is related to disbursement of prescription drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Ron doesn't seem shady to me. Shady people like Vermillion don't tip their hand to people with integrity. Maybe Ron knew and looked the other way. Time will tell. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Sounds like their is a culture of the trainers improperly handing out painkillers and a lack of oversight of the activity of the training staff. It's something that we need to get cleaned up, but it also sounds like this is a broad problem in the league and a status quo for how training staffs tend to operate. I think it's possible for Vermilion to be a good trainer whom everyone liked and trusted and still have a problem with improperly handing out painkillers given that it's likely common practice for NFL training staffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Obviously, I don't know Ron so I really have no clue - but I find it difficult to believe he'd be cool with his top trainer committing prescription fraud. Doesn't make any sense to be okay with or turn a blind eye to that sort of activity. Too much to lose, with nothing to gain for Ron. When I say it's a bad look for Ron, I'm simply talking about the hire in general. That he thought highly enough of the guy that he felt the need to poach him from Carolina. From what little is out there, it seems there is wild variance in opinions of the guy. He's not someone that everybody loves and trusts. He came in and ran off Dr. Robin West, Smith apparently didn't trust him. So yeah, it's a bad look - at minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RansomthePasserby Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Seems like you should stay far away from crime if your name makes you sound like a Harry Potter villain. The guy was honored as the NFL Athletic Training Staff of the year in 2016 and has been in the league for 30 years, maybe he’s good at hiding his shady business from his peers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) I see I'm not the only poster to have issues with @Cooleyfan1993. His position on the mulligan Hopkins got when the Giants jumped offsides was bizarre, this one is as well. Of course it was a bad look that the guy who was supposed to change the culture hired a guy who turned out to be a criminal. There is no other way to look at it. I have no idea why a person holding a position like head trainer for an NFL team would risk it all. Just so so stupid. Edited October 8, 2021 by Darrell Green Fan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Ron went through one hell of a painful year and it wouldn't shock me if his buddy helped him out. I think most of us would have been fine doing the same. I have taken prescription drugs without a prescription myself. It's not something I'd crucify anyone for, but it is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Ron went through one hell of a painful year and it wouldn't shock me if his buddy helped him out. I think most of us would have been fine doing the same. I have taken prescription drugs without a prescription myself. It's not something I'd crucify anyone for, but it is illegal. Yeah I think we need to fully understand the charges before commenting on the trainer. But again this is obviously a bad look for the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 33 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said: But again this is obviously a bad look for the team. Oh yeah, absolutely. Especially since it's always something with this team, even after turning the corner allegedly. No more sexism or racism, just selling drugs now. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 29 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: No more sexism or racism, just selling drugs now. Well, at least there's profits in that... maybe not as much as selling stale airline peanuts and expired leftover FIFA beer, but it's something. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: Well, at least there's profits in that... maybe not as much as selling stale airline peanuts and expired leftover FIFA beer, but it's something. and our winning is getting closer to the field. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 33 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: No more sexism or racism, just selling drugs now. It's all in the game, yo. btw, I am still picturing "head trainer" giving advice. "No, here, let me show you" looking like Andy Dick's character in Old School 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said: Oh yeah, absolutely. Especially since it's always something with this team, even after turning the corner allegedly. No more sexism or racism, just selling drugs now. I know who sparked this 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 https://viconsortium.com/vi-crime/virgin-islands-police-officers-family-members-sought-leniency-as-vipd-officer-receives-14-year-prison-sentence-for-role-in-massive-drug-trafficking-operation One of the cops on island got pinched with 720lbs of coke in Miami and all the other cops wrote letters to go easy on him. Does this make you think there might be a lot of coke in the Caribbean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapsSkins Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said: I have no idea why a person holding a position like head trainer for an NFL team would risk it all. Just so so stupid. Ye$ it i$ $o $trange that he'd choo$e to do $omething like that, who can $ay what the impetu$ wa$? 😉 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 9 hours ago, FrFan said: He worked nine years with Rivera, and his position is at the top of the football team crew. I can be wrong but It's difiicult for me to believe that Ron didn't know. People live with spouses carrying on affairs right under their noses. Executives right now are dealing with drug and gambling addictions their companies don’t know about. Others are embezzling money from their employers and have been for some time. The idea that people close to us can’t do these things without us knowing, is a happy lie. Something we like to think is true. Easier to sleep when you think you’ve got a firm grip on things. It’s never been true. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Destino said: People live with spouses carrying on affairs right under their noses. Executives right now are dealing with drug and gambling addictions their companies don’t know about. Others are embezzling money from their employers and have been for some time. The idea that people close to us can’t do these things without us knowing, is a happy lie. Something we like to think is true. Easier to sleep when you think you’ve got a firm grip on things. It’s never been true. Yeah I'm with you, no way Ron brings him to DC, or kept him on his staff in either places, if he knew. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 (edited) On 10/8/2021 at 9:48 AM, Koolblue13 said: Oh yeah, absolutely. Especially since it's always something with this team, even after turning the corner allegedly. No more sexism or racism, just selling drugs now. I couldn't agree more. It's always something. Have you read about the John Gruden fiasco? He's on the hot seat now, because of an old racist email that he sent a team executive, when he was working as a broadcaster. The name of that team exec? Bruce Allen. I **** you not..... Edited October 9, 2021 by Skinsfan1311 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 41 minutes ago, Skinsfan1311 said: I couldn't agree more. It's always something. Have you read about the John Gruden fiasco? He's on the hot seat now, because of an old racist email that he sent a team executive, when he was working as a broadcaster. The name of that team exec? Bruce Allen. I **** you not..... I didn't, but gee am I so very shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: I didn't, but gee am I so very shocked. Makes me wonder if the NFL found that email when they were investigating the team..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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