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4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

As for Standig's list, I'd add

 

I know Keim mentioned Tyson Campbell, Jabril Cox.  Sheehan mentioned Elijah Moore. 

 

My thought as I mentoned previously if Sheehan is right in that Elijah Moore fits the profile of the receiver they like, if I had to pick one dude who is the poor man's version (though not so poor) it would be Dyami Brown.

 

Dyami in round 3 or 4 could be a great addition. Deep threat to keep the defense honest. 

I'm not sure about the fit of Jabril Cox now that we have Jamin? In base, would it be SAM-Jamin MIKE-Holcolm WILL-Cox, and then in nickel, our starters would be Jamin and Cox? I think we actually have more need for a true stack and shed MIKE at this point and could see Bolton or Barnes in Rd 3. Barnes especially offers some positional flexibility, which we know Rivera loves. 

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I am not sure if this has been discussed but there are only 6 tackles in this draft. From the research I’ve done the 34 inch arm threshold holds true. That to me is why Leatherwood went so early. Sewell 33.5 but like Joe Thomas may be a freak. Cosmi, Jenkins, Eichenburg will all fall because they have guard arms. Only Spencer Brown, Forsythe, Little and D’ante Smith meet the threshold with what’s left.

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12 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

It would be killer to get him at 51.  I think he has the highest floor among the safeties and with a fairly high ceiling too.

Unfortunately I dont see him falling past 38 or so. I think we have to move up to get him.  I see him going Atlanta or Philly. If its Philly ill puke.

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2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

You thought Kyle Smith blew it on Terry McLaurin.  I recall you arguing with me on it.   From what I recall you thought Haskins was a fine pick -- Kyle was opposed to it even though they took him.  You thought they should have traded for Rosen but the FO disagreed with you on it.

 

I don't mean this to pick on you.  We all blow it on picks/choices.  I am just saying at least in a few loud examples that were tough to forget you weren't on the same page with Kyle from what I recall. 

 

I'd also hazard to guess Kyle had his finger prints on this draft.  Most of the player evaluations happen during the college season.  Kyle's specialty was SEC players ironically. And Kyle left his dude Gribble to run this draft.  Gribble was in charge of college scouting during the last draft, too.

 

Same thing came out when Scot left in 2017 he left around the same time Kyle did this year.  But by then the draft was very Scot influenced.  He said so at the time and so were some of the leaks from the FO.

 

I've owned McLaurin, lol, I'll own anything. I hated the Scherrf pick over Leonard Williams as well, that looks more like a push as well. 

 

As for McLaurin, HE IS AN OUTLIER, try to find guys with his profile who succeed, it's next to impossible, okay, that's stretching it, but WR's who didnt do anything in college, and McLaurin didn't do anything, turning into monsters in the NFL? I wouldn't be shocked at all if there are only 1 or 2 guys Iincluding McLaurin) who had a profile as unimpressive as his in terms of production who succeed in the last 40 years. I wouldn't be shocked if he's literally the only one. 

 

As for QB's, I wanted all of them in '18 (other than Allen), I wanted Kyler in '19, and I wanted Tua in '20. 

 

As for Kyle, that's kinda the whole point, he has the track record, why did we let him go? I disagreed with his moves, so what? What does that have to do with his talent? 

 

Anyway, whatever, if you want me to own my mistakes, I will happily do it, but I'll also have to list my hits:

RB:

I had Mixon, Cook, and McCaffrey all above Fournette in '17

I had Chubb higher than Jones, and Michel in '18

I had Sanders ahead of Monty and Jacobs in '19

I had the RB's Taylor, Swift, Dobbins, Akers last year, ahead of CEH predraft

 

WR? I nailed AJ Brown in '19, nailed pretty much all the WR's in '20, and had DJ Moore #1 in '18, and avoided John Ross in '17 while propping Juju. 

 

My '16 WR eval with dumpster level straight trash (1.Corey Coleman 2. Treadwell 3 Doctson). 

 

I have no problem owning my misses, I know some struggle with that, I am wrong all the time, especially on QB (I can sniff out the busts, mostly, but I can't identify the hits reliably). 

 

looking back more recently:

15: Loved Winston, was more circumspect on Mariota

16: Didnt Like Goff or Wentz

'17: Didnt like Trubisky, read way way way too much into Watson's velocity test, loved Mahomes

18: Ranked them: 1.Baker 2A Rosen 2BDarnold 4 Lamar Jackson 5 Josh Allen

19: Loved Kyler, hated Danny Dimes, was fine with taking Haskins at slot, didn't think he was bad or good, just a typical QB pushed up, reasonable value based on his '18 season.

20: ranked them Tua (if medicals checked out), Burrow and then Herbert

 

Go back even earlier: hated all '13 and '14 QB's in round 1.

'12: Loved Luck and RGIII, thought Tannehill was overrated, hated Weeden, liked Wilson and Foles and Osweiller as later values

'11: Hated all of them, though I liked Locker as a late 1st value, he went way higher than I expected. 

'10: Liked Newton and was the Notre Dame bust that Carolina took, Clausen that year, I'm a sucker for picks like that. I guess Mills is this years version, sort of. 

 

As you can see, no better and probably a little worse than NFL people at QB eval, though mostly I'm right about the busts, I loved Watson until the Velocity drill scared me off, I don't view that as a real miss exactly cause I still liked him, all the other guys I hated largely were busts other than Allen and Allen, like McLaurin is an outlier. Allen's the first guy I've EVER heard of who got more accurate as it got harder.

 

As for McLaurin, if you want to build your process on consistently hitting on outliers, there's a brooklyn bridge, and if you see right here, I own the deed.....

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3 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

 

Dyami in round 3 or 4 could be a great addition. Deep threat to keep the defense honest. 

I'm not sure about the fit of Jabril Cox now that we have Jamin? In base, would it be SAM-Jamin MIKE-Holcolm WILL-Cox, and then in nickel, our starters would be Jamin and Cox? I think we actually have more need for a true stack and shed MIKE at this point and could see Bolton or Barnes in Rd 3. Barnes especially offers some positional flexibility, which we know Rivera loves. 

 

Outside of getting Buechele which I know would be peak nirvana for @KDawg, I think his next biggest guy is Werner.  😀   And I like Werner's fit the best with Jamin.  Werner can play traditional Mike yet also isn't a liability in coverage.  

 

You can see in the footage of Rivera/Jamin talking when he made that pick that Rivera referred to a really good conversation he had with Jamin.  I saw somewhere else about how Rivera loved Jamin's focus on team versus himself.

 

Werner not only fits the Mike spot but he also I believe has those intangibles that Rivera digs.  I read multiple times that Werner specifically would be the type of guy Rivera really would like. 

 

Supposedly according to Keim they like both Jabril and Werner. 

 

I am a big Barnes guy and i think he'd fit perfectly as a tradtional Mike who could also cover.

 

I wonder about Bolton because of coverage issues.  But I also read he's a really neat guy, big time leader so Rivera might dig that. 

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57 minutes ago, Bifflog said:

 

I think there's a lot of underestimation of how much better 16 starts of Fitzpatrick should be than the combined 16 starts we got last season.  He was 5th in QBR in 2020, even if that's an aberration and he slips it'll still be a big upgrade.  I think we are primed for a very good year, and at the end of it will be a clearly attractive destination spot for a QB once the offense has been allowed to grow and show its potential under better QB play.

 

I would loved to have selected the future guy yesterday, but it wasn't set up to do so, we would have had to give up more than the Bears deemed worthwhile.  Even if you think they crushed it, if they thought the guy was worth moving to 7 or 8 they would have done that.

 

See this strikes me as fantasy. Fitzmagic has been playing since the days of Patrick Ramsey, back when I was still in my twenties (I'm 46 now). His profile is what it is, he's a gambler that is good for 5 TD days, and 4 pick days, he's good for heroic comebacks, and season killing picks, he's basically a more confident, but just as erratic Cousins, but with inferior overall talent, and way more confidence and probably intelligence. He also has had seemingly all of his seasons play out the same way: gets hot for a while, and cools down fast as defenses get used to the tape of what he does. 

 

We'll see how he does, but he's 38, and not a reliable QB. That's why he's never stuck in any one place very long at all. Enjoy the ride, but it's true, there are very few QB rooms as bad as ours, maybe Pittsburgh, if Ben Roth's arm is truly dead, Houston without Watson, just not a lot. We are not contenders, PERIOD, believing we are w/our QB's is absurd.

 

I will say that our defense is just good enough to keep us in any race, but our QB's are bad enough to insure we don't win enough of them to matter. 

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18 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

 

I've owned McLaurin, lol, I'll own anything. I hated the Scherrf pick over Leonard Williams as well, that looks more like a push as well. 

 

 

My point was I can't recall debating with someone on the draft thread more than you about supposed mishaps from this FO where I was basically defending Kyle Smith. Yet you are the one lamenting about Kyle Smith and suggesting how he wouldn't have made a pick like this?   It's cool but it hit me with some irony. 😀. Hence I couldn't resist to comment. 

 

I recall you were arguing against McLaurin and to some extent against Harmon, too.  I recall you accepted the Harmon pick easier but didn't care for it.   I don't think either one were outliers if context is factored especially McLaurin and i argued why at the time but don't want to relive it again.  On the QBs you were are on the other side of him on that, too.

 

But I hear you it sounds like your point is you've warmed up on Kyle Smith over time.  If so that's cool. 

 

My point wasn't about what you got right or wrong.  I've owned the ones I've gotten wrong too. I am not doing a comparison like that.  We've all got our nice hits and bad misses.   It's perfectly normal to miss.  Heck we aren't professionals and even the professionals miss a ton.   And I like it when people at least try to get it right whether they are successful or not.  It makes for fun conversation.  So don't take me wrong, i like reading your takes.   And disagreements are cool and even fun.

 

Bringing it back to Kyle, i'd be surprised if he wasn't high on the pick.  I sort of interviewed Scot McCloughan once (long story) and he told me their draft board is starting to form as early as the early fall of the college season and is well established by the time the season is over.  They tinker with it some more but most of the leg work is done.  Another personnel guy said recently their board is 85% or so formulated by the time the college season is over.

 

When Scot left in 2017, it came out that their board for that draft was mostly done and influenced by him.  The odds are good that their draft board with Tim Gribble in charge, same dude who was in charge last year of college scouting under Kyle has Kyle's finger prints heavily on it. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ball Security said:

I think I’d avoid the temptation of moving up to take Moehrig.  It’s enticing, but we still have many holes to fill and I’d rather save those bullets.....

 

 

Disagree.......we've gone FAR too long in need of a true FS. Moehrig is the consensus best FS in this draft. If we can move up without paying the kings ransom, we need to do it........

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Derrick Barnes was my pairing with Jamin in my original draft before all the scouting with Davis 2nd rd and Barnes 4th rd. We may have to do the same, and spend a 3rd a round earlier than my original projection, for Barnes.

 

Jenkins still sitting there is crazy to me. He's the smartest OT technician wise in this draft, with a mean streak.. I get the arm length trend, but someone is going to get a steal.

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36 minutes ago, Chump Bailey said:

Did not know this about Najee Harris. He grew up dirt poor and his family lived in homeless shelters periodically. Najee threw a draft party at the shelter he once lived in. Love to see young men overcome that and succeed. God bless him.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/najee-harris-throw-draft-party-homeless-shelter-pittsburgh-steelers-1587778

It's almost half as good as Kwity Paye's story

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5 minutes ago, IrepDC said:

Derrick Barnes was my pairing with Jamin in my original draft before all the scouting with Davis 2nd rd and Barnes 4th rd. We may have to do the same, and spend a 3rd a round earlier than my original projection, for Barnes.

 

Jenkins still sitting there is crazy to me. He's the smartest OT technician wise in this draft, with a mean streak.. I get the arm length trend, but someone is going to get a steal.

 

Yeah I didn't recall when I did my long post about Barnes on the draft thread that you touted him first.  But yeah like you, I am big on Barnes.  I think he'd fit perfectly with Jamin and we likely could get Barnes with the 4th round pick.  I think for Werner we might pull it off with our first third rounder but not sure if he's gone before that.  

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@The Consigliere Yeah man, it’s really all about expectations you bring into it as a fan and “prognosticator.”  It’s a fair point to say we should have grabbed Fields. We had our chance, the FO obviously wasn’t sold, time will tell on that. Regarding Jamin, that’s also fair that many had him ranked lower most likely due to only 11 games started. 
 

But, look at the other side of things for a sec. We got the guy we wanted, and had rated higher than most. Our coach and defensive coordinator are both former LB’s. So regardless of what the outside world thinks, we got a guy they really believed in, for both today and the future, at a position of total need. 
 

We are a lot better today than we were yesterday imo. Dude is a beast currently and I suspect over time will only get better. 

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1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

I'd be okay with another man coverage specialist CB. Can slide Fuller to the slot.


Nelson, FA having being released from the Steelers, would be ideal for this if we don’t draft an outside CB.

 

Get a Safety in the draft, sign Nelson. Or if we get nothing in the draft, sign Nelson and Boston in FA.

Just now, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:


Nelson, FA having being released from the Steelers, would be ideal for this if we don’t draft an outside CB.

 

Get a Safety in the draft, sign Nelson. Or if we get nothing in the draft, sign Nelson and Boston in FA.


or as I should have also said, just draft Molden.

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14 minutes ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said:

@The Consigliere Yeah man, it’s really all about expectations you bring into it as a fan and “prognosticator.”  It’s fair point to say we should have grabbed Fields. We had our chance, the FO obviously wasn’t sold, time will tell on that. Regarding Jamin, that’s also fair that many had him ranked lower most likely due to on 11 games started. 
 

But, look at the other side of things for a sec. We got the guy we wanted, and had rated higher than most. Our coach and defensive coordinator are both former LB’s. So regardless of what the outside world thinks, we got a guy they really believed in, for both today and the future, at a position of total need. 
 

We are a lot better today than we were yesterday imo. Dude is a beast currently and I suspect over time will only get better. 

 

I'd add and this is coming from one of the bigger Fields fans here.  We don't know how high they are on Fields.  It sound like they liked him but not to the extent they'd move heaven and earth to get him.  If they thought he was the next Mahomes, they might have been more aggressive.

 

I get the get a QB or bust mindset.   But its not like they are all the same like every hyped QB is equal and you must go get them since the draftniks like them.

 

JP Fiinlay seems convinced they are in the market next year to trade for a veteran. Some are expected to hit the market.  He ran that by Keim today and Keim had that same sense.

 

It's been said for awhile guys like R. Wilson and Rodgers were more likely to hit the market next year not this one.   For cap reasons among other things.  Yes, we aren't on eithers short list now.  But if this is a loaded roster that might change next year.   

 

3 minutes ago, IrepDC said:

Give an extra check to defenders from big conferences who played on the smaller schools. They went up against NFL talent and schemes every week.

 

That was why I ranked Davis and Barnes so high.

 

I was high on Davis for somewhat of a longish time (though not as long as some other players I liked) after Jeremiah kicked it off.    I got to Barnes much later in the process.  I spent a weekend watching mid round type LBs and he stood out to me among that group.  He and Monty Rice. 

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13 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah I didn't recall when I did my long post about Barnes on the draft thread that you touted him first.  But yeah like you, I am big on Barnes.  I think he'd fit perfectly with Jamin and we likely could get Barnes with the 4th round pick.  I think for Werner we might pull it off with our first third rounder but not sure if he's gone before that.  

 

You touted Jamin before I did. I was more focused on Collins with the potential of getting him more lean for our scheme. Most of our conversations you were promoting Davis but mainly because I originally had him as our "sleeper" 2nd round pick. The secret got out so we had to take him round 1, and Arizona made the choice for us. We both saw Davis as a top LB for a while, regardless of round.

 

Werner is good, but I worry about him costing too high of a pick. We could go OT, WR and/or FS then circle back to LB with Barnes imo.

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Love Terrace Marshall

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-draft-day-2-mock-buccaneers-snag-quarterback-kyle-trask-in-second-round

 

2021 NFL Draft, Day 2 mock: Buccaneers snag quarterback Kyle Trask in second round

Published: Apr 30, 2021 at 11:31 AM
 

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With Round 1 of the 2021 NFL Draft in the books, here's a look at how Rounds 2 and 3 could play out in Cleveland on Friday night, beginning at 7 p.m. ET (NFL Network/ABC/ESPN).

Want to create your own mock for Day 2 of the 2021 NFL Draft? Check out PFF's draft simulator to play out countless scenarios for every team spanning all seven rounds.

 
Pick
33
 

Jacksonville Jaguars

Jacksonville Jaguars
 
 

Christian Barmore

Alabama · DT

Barmore is a talented, three-down defender with a chance to instantly impact the Jaguars' defensive front.

 
Pick
34
 

New York Jets

New York Jets
 
 

Tyson Campbell

Georgia · CB

The long-and-fast Campbell has upside, but needs polish. That said, he fits the mold of what new Jets coach Robert Saleh likes in cornerbacks.

 
Pick
35
 

Atlanta Falcons

Atlanta Falcons
 
 

Trevon Moehrig

TCU · S

The Falcons are in need of a potential playmaker at safety, and Moehrig fits that profile.

 
Pick
36
 

Miami Dolphins

Miami Dolphins
 
 

Liam Eichenberg

Notre Dame · OT

With Robert Hunt bumping inside to guard, Eichenberg could step right into the starting RT spot.

 
Pick
37
 

Philadelphia Eagles

Philadelphia Eagles
 
 

Asante Samuel Jr.

Florida State · CB

Samuel gives the Eagles the versatility to line up outside or defend the slot, which they should find valuable.

 
 
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Pick
38
 

Cincinnati Bengals

Cincinnati Bengals
 
 

Teven Jenkins

Oklahoma State · OT

With Jenkins falling out of Round 1, the Bengals would be wise to snap him up as their right tackle of the future.

 
Pick
39
 

Carolina Panthers

Carolina Panthers
 
 

Elijah Moore

Mississippi · WR

The Panthers will be hard-pressed to pass on this talented, tough wideout with the polish to find early snaps on that offense.

 
Pick
40
 

Denver Broncos

Denver Broncos
 
 

Azeez Ojulari

Georgia · Edge

With Von Miller's contract expiring after the 2021 season, Ojulari would make perfect sense as the heir apparent.

 
Pick
41
 

Detroit Lions

Detroit Lions
 
 

Aaron Robinson

UCF · CB

The Lions need to find help quickly in their secondary. Robinson provides an athletic inside/outside option.

 
Pick
42
 

New York Giants

New York Giants
 
 

Carlos Basham Jr.

Wake Forest · DE

Savvy power rusher with good hand usage and the ability to pressure the pocket that the Giants are looking for.

 
Pick
43
 

San Francisco 49ers

San Francisco 49ers
 
 

Nico Collins

Michigan · WR

Big ball-winner with surprising build-up speed. Collins is a quality scheme fit for Kyle Shanahan's offense.

 
Pick
44
 

Dallas Cowboys

Dallas Cowboys
 
 

Richie Grant

UCF · S

Grant gives the Cowboys an immediate upgrade at safety as they continue to bolster that side of the ball following the first-round selection of Micah Parsons.

 
Pick
45
 

Jacksonville Jaguars

Jacksonville Jaguars
 
 

Pat Freiermuth

Penn State · TE

The Jaguars need a tight end. Their new tight ends coach, Tyler Bowen, just happened to come from Penn State. Do the math.

 
Pick
46
 

New England Patriots

New England Patriots
 
 

Ifeatu Melifonwu

Syracuse · CB

Melifonwu has been a riser during the draft process thanks to his length, size and overall toughness.

 
Pick
47
 

Los Angeles Chargers

Los Angeles Chargers
 
 

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah

Notre Dame · LB

It seems hard to believe a player with JOK's upside could fall to here, but the Chargers warmly welcome his versatility and explosiveness.

 
Pick
48
 

Las Vegas Raiders

Las Vegas Raiders
 
 

Joseph Ossai

Texas · Edge

Pass rush must be addressed ASAP. Ossai is a little raw, but he flashes and has the long-limbed, high-motor attack favored by this brain trust.

 
Pick
49
 

Arizona Cardinals

Arizona Cardinals
 
 

Javonte Williams

North Carolina · RB

If Williams is still on the board for Arizona, it'll be hard to pass up on a runner most mention in the same breath as back-to-back first-round picks Najee Harris and Travis Etienne.

 
Pick
50
 

Miami Dolphins

Miami Dolphins
 
 

Baron Browning

Ohio State · LB

Browning has plenty of tools to work with, as well as experience playing inside and outside linebacker.

 
Pick
51
 

Washington Football Team

Washington Football Team
 
 

Terrace Marshall Jr.

LSU · WR

The only reason Marshall's still available here is the medical concern. The talent is likely too much for Washington to pass on.

 
Pick
52
 

Chicago Bears

Chicago Bears
 
 

Amari Rodgers

Clemson · WR

The addition of Rodgers would give Justin Fields a reliable slot target to grow with.

 
Pick
53
 

Tennessee Titans

Tennessee Titans
 
 

Jevon Holland

Oregon · S

After snagging Caleb Farley in Round 1, the Titans continue correcting their coverage issues with a safety who can step in and cover the slot from time to time.

 
 
 
 
Pick
54
 

Indianapolis Colts

Indianapolis Colts
 
 

Samuel Cosmi

Texas · OT

With loads of starting experience at left tackle, Cosmi could compete quickly for the LT spot vacated by Anthony Castonzo's retirement.

 
Pick
55
 

Pittsburgh Steelers

Pittsburgh Steelers
 
 

Creed Humphrey

Oklahoma · C

Three-year starter at Oklahoma with good athleticism to go with plus core strength. Following the first-round selection of Najee Harris, this is Step 2 in Pittsburgh's quest to fix the running game.

 
Pick
56
 

Seattle Seahawks

Seattle Seahawks
 
 

Milton Williams

Louisiana Tech · DT

Serious-minded defensive tackle whose insane testing numbers could foreshadow what's to come with more work.

 
Pick
57
 

Los Angeles Rams

Los Angeles Rams
 
 

Alim McNeill

N.C. State · DT

Big, athletic nose who can come in and challenge for a starting job on Day 1 with the Rams.

 
Pick
58
 

Kansas City Chiefs

Kansas City Chiefs
 
 

Dyami Brown

North Carolina · WR

Explosive deep-ball threat with average hands. Brown has the ability to step in and contribute as yet another field-stretcher in this video game offense.

 
Pick
59
 

Cleveland Browns

Cleveland Browns
 
 

Levi Onwuzurike

Washington · DT

The wait is over for the powerful interior defender, as the Browns fortify their front.

 
Pick
60
 

New Orleans Saints

New Orleans Saints
 
 

Kelvin Joseph

Kentucky · CB

There are some concerns surrounding his football character, but he's very talented and this is a big need for the Saints.

 
Pick
61
 

Buffalo Bills

Buffalo Bills
 
 

Divine Deablo

Virginia Tech · S/LB

Deablo is a hybrid box defender with excellent size who is much better playing downhill than chasing in coverage.

 
Pick
62
 

Green Bay Packers

Green Bay Packers
 
 

Nick Bolton

Missouri · LB

Physical and instinctive, Bolton gives the Packers a presence in the middle of the defense with early starting potential.

 
Pick
63
 

Kansas City Chiefs

Kansas City Chiefs
 
 

Dillon Radunz

North Dakota State · OT

I'll call him a tackle for now, but he could end up playing guard on the next level. Either way, it's more help up front for Patrick Mahomes.

 
Pick
64
 

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
 
 

Kyle Trask

Florida · QB

It might be hard to pass up on a need pick here, but Trask could be worth the shot, as his style fits well with Tampa's receiving corps.

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If Moehrig is gone, how would people feel if  we dropped the pick on Tufanga out of USC? SS but has the tools to play FS. Lacks elite speed which seems to be the major knock on him, but he's really fun to watch. Has a bit of Sean Taylor-esque violence to his hits.

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