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The Trump Riot Aftermath (Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes found guilty of seditious conspiracy. Proud Boys join the club)

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Darrell Green Fan

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3 hours ago, FootballZombie said:

 

It would be unprecedented for a former prez, and unprecedented events should be met with long odds.

 

 

That being said just the fact that people in so many related orbits have acknowledged the possibility is pretty telling. Either pointing out ways where you can directly link Trump himself to the issues at hand or others working to get ahead of the story by explaining bad things will happen if he is in fact indicted, which lends itself to the idea that these people see it as an actual possibility.

 

The other thing to consider is I am sure the FBI does not want to repeat the Hillary situation where they drastically effect an election, so the idea that I have been seeing that an indictment would not take place until after the midterms makes a lot of sense to me.

 

 Yeah but we've had a whole lot of things with Trump that we're unprecedented.  I mean I get why they would be reluctant to do it but again the DOJ had made it pretty clear that he wants to send a message that nobody's above the law. You also want to send a message so that nobody else tries to do this.

 

There was never a doubt that they were going to wait until after the midterms, but I would be very surprised if they don't indict him

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Larry

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1 minute ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Whether or not Trump gets indicted probably hinges on if he did anything untoward with those documents. I doubt they go after him for just possessing them. If he shared / sold information…


Pretty sure that I'd be willing to at least entertain a case where the government argues that mere possession of those documents, demonstrates intent to sell. 
 

It ain't because he loves reading so much. I guarantee you he can't even tell you what's in them. Except maybe the ones that have sex scenes. 
 

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Although I do also remember, back under "Lock her up!", an article claiming that while the law might say so, that in practice, since WW2, the only people who saw jail from mishandling classified information, involved people personally handing large quantities of intel, which had been intentionally stolen, to people who the defendant knew was an agent of a foreign government. 
 

One example I remember being cited. Some retired general handed over stacks of classified materials to the woman who was ghostwriting his memoirs. He lost his security clearance. But no prosecution or jail time. 

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FootballZombie

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2 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Whether or not Trump gets indicted probably hinges on if he did anything untoward with those documents. I doubt they go after him for just possessing them. If he shared / sold information…

 

I don't think so.

 

Even if they can't find a lick of evidence to bring forth further charges, based on what we already know we are looking at:

 

-Illegal Possession

-Refusal to return government property when directed

-Lying to the government about possession in sworn testimony = obstruction of justice

-Improper storage of national defense docs in an unsecured location

-Illegal transportation of national defense docs

 

We are talking about over 100 secret docs and 11,000 government docs. That it a boatload and its more than enough to warrant an indictment. Could the punishment be massively widdled down? Sure, but conviction under a lot of the espionage statutes would ban him from holding office ever again.

 

 

On top of that, This might not even be the only indictment Trump gets slapped with. We already know the head of the DOJ put out a memo and advised not to indict Trump for his role in Jan 6th before the Nov midterms as they don't want to impede the democratic process. Its very possible this dude gets hit with an indictment from this that could include charges such as:

 

-Seditious Conspiracy

-Insurrection

-Obstructing an official proceeding

-Conspiracy to defraud the US

-Obstruction of Justice

 

 

Furthermore, although the other ones get the headlines, Those possible indictments are probably not the biggest threat to Trump. The state of Georgia is doing its own investigation after the egregious actions conducted there for some time and its very possible they bring up criminal charges against Trump as well. They have been working their way up the ladder, informing parties of an ever increasing scope of investigation for criminal activity, converging a special grand jury for a year and now they are virtually at Trumps doorstep as they are investigating his closest actors for criminal activity. The possible charges here carry hefty penalties as well.

 

 

Then there is the Wire fraud investigation, where he collected $250M from supporters but utilized it in different ways than advertised

Then there is the New York Civil and Criminal cases that are still ongoing.

and there are more beyond that, but at some point listing all these out becomes pointless.

 

After the midterms, this dude could be staring down multiple indictments.

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Darrell Green Fan

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10 hours ago, Larry said:


Pretty sure that I'd be willing to at least entertain a case where the government argues that mere possession of those documents, demonstrates intent to sell. 
 

It ain't because he loves reading so much. I guarantee you he can't even tell you what's in them. Except maybe the ones that have sex scenes. 
 

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Although I do also remember, back under "Lock her up!", an article claiming that while the law might say so, that in practice, since WW2, the only people who saw jail from mishandling classified information, involved people personally handing large quantities of intel, which had been intentionally stolen, to people who the defendant knew was an agent of a foreign government. 
 

One example I remember being cited. Some retired general handed over stacks of classified materials to the woman who was ghostwriting his memoirs. He lost his security clearance. But no prosecution or jail time. 

 This is simply not true.  We all should know the name Reality Winter by now.  This is just one of many examples of people serving serious time for far less than what Trump has done  

 

Reality Leigh Winner (born December 4, 1991)[5] is an American former enlisted US Air Force member and intelligence specialist. In 2018, she was given the longest prison sentence ever imposed for unauthorized release of government information to the media[6] after she leaked an intelligence report about Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.[7] She was sentenced to five years and three months in federal prison.[8]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Winner#:~:text=Reality Leigh Winner (born December 4%2C 1991) is,five years and three months in federal prison.

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16 hours ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

 

FBI: "Trump took highly classified documents, refused to return them, and kept them in an unsecured location where many unauthorized people could have had access to them. This is an extremely dangerous situation which could result in great harm to the country."

 

Trump: "I'M NOT MESSY, YOU ARE!"

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2 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

FBI: "Trump took highly classified documents, refused to return them, and kept them in an unsecured location where many unauthorized people could have had access to them. This is an extremely dangerous situation which could result in great harm to the country."

 

Trump: "I'M NOT MESSY, YOU ARE!"

MAGA: The FBI is corrupt!!

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IF the government allows themselves to be deluded into thinking he 'just possessed them" then we deserve every bad thing that happens next. Every single thing he's done in his entire adult life has been immoral and selfish. The nature of what he took should absolutely 100% demonstrate intent to harm this country. What, h's got sentimental value attached to nuclear secrets?
This would akin to looking down the barrel of a gun and pulling the trigger to clear the round in the chamber.

 

~Bang

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2 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:


It took 2 weeks for Team Trump to file the motion. The DOJ has already reviewed all of the materials. 

 

Yes, but as the reports have indicated, this will slow down the investigation because:

 

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The federal judge enjoined the Justice Department from using the seized materials for any “investigative purpose” connected to its ongoing inquiry of Mr. Trump’s handling of sensitive government records until the special master’s work was completed.

 

So while it won't stop anything, it will delay it.   The indication was that the DOJ wasn't going to bring charges until after the election do to their policy, so if the Special Master completes their review before the election, it probably won't make any difference.  

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1 hour ago, China said:

 

Yes, but as the reports have indicated, this will slow down the investigation because:

 

So while it won't stop anything, it will delay it.   The indication was that the DOJ wasn't going to bring charges until after the election do to their policy, so if the Special Master completes their review before the election, it probably won't make any difference.  

I would think the investigation into TFG and other people (I'm surmising) would continue. I thought the original filing (getting the docs back) was the 1st step in a bigger investigation that includes TFG and other people. The redacted portions of that filing contain some serious ****.

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2 minutes ago, EmirOfShmo said:

I would think the investigation into TFG and other people (I'm surmising) would continue. I thought the original filing (getting the docs back) was the 1st step in a bigger investigation that includes TFG and other people. The redacted portions of that filing contain some serious ****.

 

Well, of course this is one of several investigations, and no it won't stop, just slow down. 

 

I'm sure Trump's lawyer is being investigated for obstruction for signing a document saying all classified materials were returned when they weren't.  And maybe other people in his circle are under investigation for mishandling the documents as well.

 

And this is entirely separate from the Jan. 6th investigation, for which Pat Cipollone testified to the grand jury on Friday.

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