TradeTheBeal! Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Admiring the “I might be forced to consider this as politically motivated” gaslighting. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, FLSkinz83 said: Just so I'm clear on things.....California was doing great and then Arnie took over and it went downhill, but Brown and Newsom came along to restore it? Tl:dr yes. Longer explanation, there is a lot of nuance. Arnie came to power because Gray Davis was recalled due to the fake enron power blackouts. Arnie then failed mainly because GOP policies at the state level generally are poorly received by both the public and the people asked to enact them. Arnie made the public sector his enemy, and like all leaders with a workforce that now despises him, he failed because of it. Arnie also very early on blew a $4 bil hole in the state budget by eliminating the car tax and not making it up with something else. Not ironically, he embraced the no tax but always spend GOP philosophy of the late 90s early 00s and surprise surprise he had budget holes all over the place. That said, one of the best things to happen at the end of Arnie's rule (and because of Arnie's ****ty run as governor) was Prop 25. It shifted the required 66% of the state legislature to approve a new state budget to just majority approval. It probably should be stated again that I'm a state insider with some unique access to state workings. As a public servant I'm exposed to a lot of this stuff and literally sat next door to the Capitol for 15+ years and had meetings with high level state executives. So I do know a little about what I am talking about. Ot at least enough to be dangerous. 😁 Back on topic.... 😆 Edited August 12, 2022 by The Evil Genius Typos typos and more typos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Question, can someone be president if they can't get a top secret clearance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, spjunkies said: I'm with you, but slippery part is he was in a position to declassify the documents so it might be difficult to prosecute, unfortunately. This isn’t aimed directly at you, but I don’t see the argument here. It’s not like the POTUS can just declare something declassified (a la Michael Scott) and the documents can be released. There would need to be a ton of agreement from various stakeholders and accompanying signatures for something like this. The declassification of sensitive documents is one of those things where a ton of bureaucracy makes sense. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Just now, spjunkies said: Question, can someone be president if they can't get a top secret clearance? my understanding is they get one by virtue of being president they aren’t subjected to what the rest of us are 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Also i thought i read that some of the alleged documents cannot be declassified. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, spjunkies said: Question, can someone be president if they can't get a top secret clearance? I would have said “no” prior to 2016 but then they gave Trump and his family a clearance anyway so I guess it doesn’t really matter. No way anyone of us would have been granted a clearance with all of those skeletons in our closet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CobraCommander Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 One of the things they apparently took was "Information and the French President". Oh la la, gonna check french news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Heisenberg said: It’s not like the POTUS can just declare something declassified (a la Michael Scott) and the documents can be released actually, with a few exceptions, yes he can.. Quote First, let’s focus on the absolute portion of near-absolute power. The 1988 Supreme Court case Navy v. Egan confirmed that classification authority flows from the president except in specific instances separated from his powers by law. And here is where things get theological: A president can make most documents classified or declassified simply by willing them so. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-raid-classified-nuclear-documents/671119/ now nuke stuff is one of the few exceptions, but my point is that beyond those exceptions yes the president can declassify things as he sees fit. 4 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: Also i thought i read that some of the alleged documents cannot be declassified. There are exceptions to what the president can declassify. spies and aspects of nuclear secrets are part of those exceptions the link I just posted goes into it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, spjunkies said: I'm with you, but slippery part is he was in a position to declassify the documents so it might be difficult to prosecute, unfortunately. 11 minutes ago, Heisenberg said: This isn’t aimed directly at you, but I don’t see the argument here. It’s not like the POTUS can just declare something declassified (a la Michael Scott) and the documents can be released. There would need to be a ton of agreement from various stakeholders and accompanying signatures for something like this. The declassification of sensitive documents is one of those things where a ton of bureaucracy makes sense. 9 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: Also i thought i read that some of the alleged documents cannot be declassified. Reposting this as it seems relevant: 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 I guess the "I declassified everything" defense is off the table then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, gbear said: I guess the "I declassified everything" defense is off the table then. But only in a legitimate court. and I hate to break it to everyone the court of public opinion may have more sway in this matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Just now, gbear said: I guess the "I declassified everything" defense is off the table then. I'd suspect Garland and Company chose the correct charges to alleviate that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86 Snyder Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Heisenberg said: It’s not like the POTUS can just declare something declassified (a la Michael Scott) and the documents can be released. There would need to be a ton of agreement from various stakeholders and accompanying signatures for something like this. The declassification of sensitive documents is one of those things where a ton of bureaucracy makes sense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Just now, The Evil Genius said: I'd suspect Garland and Company chose the correct charges to alleviate that. I would assume it was one of, if not the, first hurdles they factored in when planning this out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Just trying to catch up here. Are we now beyond the point of the DOJ/FBI committing an unforced error by “raiding” Mar-a-Largo? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) I'd bet Trumpy is mad now at Turtle for blocking Garland's SCOTUS nom. 😁 Edited August 12, 2022 by The Evil Genius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ball Security said: Just trying to catch up here. Are we now beyond the point of the DOJ/FBI committing an unforced error by “raiding” Mar-a-Largo? Depends on your IQ. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Just now, PleaseBlitz said: Depends on if you're Q. Ftfy. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Even if he had declared them declassified, he can't just announce that into the air? I'd think there would have to be a paper trail showing he had done so, for that defense to hold any water at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 In summary, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Forehead said: Even if he had declared them declassified, he can't just announce that into the air? I'd think there would have to be a paper trail showing he had done so, for that defense to hold any water at all. I guess that was my point. I’d have to imagine there would need to be signatures and what not to verify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 These last two pages delivered the goods. Good job by everyone involved. The four or five pages before that…man, I hate this ****ing place sometimes. 😆 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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