The Evil Genius Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) I know classification isn't an issue but worth noting... I'd bet it's how the mods view a lot us too (temperamentally unfit). 😁 Edited August 12, 2022 by The Evil Genius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: I know classification isn't an issue but worth noting... Well… from what I’ve read the procedures of declassification are not binding on the president. which I mean we’re likely arguing about something that doesn’t even ****ing matter a - for it to matter you’d have to presume he actually did declassify them, on time, the correct way. I’d bet everything he didn’t do that because he never does anything correctly. He’s a walking mess of a person that just meanders through life like a pinball smashing into everything with no regard b - the consensus seems to be the statues in question don’t require the information to be classified c - if it’s true it’s all about nuke stuff then a good portion of it (if not all?) is exempt from his unilateral power to declassify anyways so it’s likely a waste to argue about it but there seems to be a bit of confusion on what the power is, and the stuff I read says it’s super broad with a few exceptions. So broad the rules behind it aren’t even binding on the president except where there’s a legal separation of powers involved Edited August 12, 2022 by tshile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) I suspect Biden at any time could also officially reclassify them and ask for the documents back. That said, I really really really want to see the Donald in an orange jumper. Would sending him to Gitmo be too over the top petty? 😁 Edited August 12, 2022 by The Evil Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86 Snyder Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 I’m 100% speculating, perhaps insanely (?!) but this seems like a good time to remind folks that Trump did not handoff the nuclear football to Biden at the inauguration because he did not attend the inauguration. Instead, he was at his home in Florida. The 2nd items listed on the search warrant are 2- Leatherbound box of documents 2A- Various classified/TS/SCI documents Did Trump not return the nuclear football? Source regarding handoff: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1254825 Contents of football here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, tshile said: which I mean we’re likely arguing about something that doesn’t even ****ing matter Exactly. Dude is getting looked at for possible Espionage Act infractions. For some people, you focus on any story but that one. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: I suspect Biden at any time could also officially reclassify them and ask for the documents back. That said, I really really really want to see the Donald in an orange jumper. Would sending him to Gitmo be too over the top petty? 😁 Seems fitting for an enemy fo the state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tshile Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) Hahah on WTOP they just said the last time we saw this (this level of classification and potential charges) was with the SAP/SCI level documents on Clinton’s e-mail server hahahaha Edited August 12, 2022 by tshile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmirOfShmo Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Interesting info related to the request by the DOJ to get surveillance video of MAL from June. JOHN SOLOMON AND KASH PATEL MAY BE IMPLICATED IN THE FBI’S TRUMP-RELATED ESPIONAGE ACT INVESTIGATION On June 22, Kash Patel announced that he had just been made a representative for Trump at the National Archives. (h/t to Suburban Gal for these links) I can tell you now that I am now officially a representative for Donald Trump at the National Archives. And I’m going to march down there — I’ve never told anyone this, because it just happened, and I’m going to identify every single document that they blocked from being declassified at the National Archives. The next day, Kash described that that letter, making him Trump’s representative to the Archives, “just came in, literally before I came on the show” the day before. As it happens, June 22 is also the same day that the FBI sent a subpoena to Mar-a-Lago for surveillance footage. On June 22, the Trump Organization, the name for Mr. Trump’s family business, received a subpoena for surveillance footage from cameras at Mar-a-Lago. That footage was turned over, according to an official. According to a John Solomon column that was actually the first to report details of this purported cooperation in June, the subpoena specifically asked for surveillance videos covering the room where Trump had stashed his stolen documents. Around the same time, the Trump Organization, which owns Mar-a-Lago, received a request for surveillance video footage covering the locker and volunteered the footage to federal authorities, sources disclosed. On June 24, two days after Kash and Solomon were given official access to Trump’s archives, Betsy Woodruff Swan reported that it wasn’t just Kash who had been given privileged access to Trump’s Archives. Solomon had also been made Trump’s representative at the Archives. That seeming coincidence — that the FBI formally asked for surveillance videos showing who had accessed Trump’s stash of stolen records on the same day that Kash and Solomon were officially added to the list of those who represented Trump’s interests with the Archives — may raise the stakes of Trump’s legal exposure significantly. https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/08/12/john-solomon-and-kash-patel-may-be-implicated-in-the-trump-related-espionage-act-investigation/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) I had not read this before (the part about surveillance video).. Edited August 12, 2022 by The Evil Genius 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Ball Security said: Just trying to catch up here. Are we now beyond the point of the DOJ/FBI committing an unforced error by “raiding” Mar-a-Largo? Ok, I was right to express that belief based on the information available the first couple of days of this. i prefaced everything with there needs to be another shoe dropping. There was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Momma There Goes That Man Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 hour ago, 86 Snyder said: and then Biden can just say he classified them again. “stand back mom. We’re having a telekinetic battle of mind classification” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tshile Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: Ok, I was right to express that belief based on the information available the first couple of days of this. i prefaced everything with there needs to be another shoe dropping. There was. Well and people are getting a bit carried away. people seem to be jumping to the conclusion that there will be charges, an arrest, a trial, a possible conviction, and potentially jail time im not saying none of that will happen. But I am not convinced there will even be charges, much less the rest of it. without all of that I’m not convinced this moves the needle much in terms of politics. Anyone who knows a real trump supporter has seen first hand how they handwave away every criticism. I expect this to be no different. I’m not even sure much changes other than more outrage if he winds up in prison. That’s how a cult works. And this isn’t a cult of 10-30 people. It’s 30-40% of the country. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, tshile said: Well and people are getting a bit carried away. people seem to be jumping to the conclusion that there will be charges, an arrest, a trial, a possible conviction, and potentially jail time im not saying none of that will happen. But I am not convinced there will even be charges, much less the rest of it. without all of that I’m not convinced this moves the needle much in terms of politics. Anyone who knows a real trump supporter has seen first hand how they handwave away every criticism. I expect this to be no different. I’m not even sure much changes other than more outrage if he winds up in prison. That’s how a cult works. And this isn’t a cult of 10-30 people. It’s 30-40% of the country. yep. On Twitter the prevailing thought on all the right wing threads is that the DOJ and FBI can’t be trusted and this is all a witch hunt. Which is fine. That’s expected. but the main thing is that this can’t give reasonable Rs or independents a way to go back to him over the “raid” as they are pushing. And I think the recent developments the last 14 hours do that which is good news, even if no charges or any other consequences come out of this. You may have further severed their ability to return to him in 2024 too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmirOfShmo Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) There must be some compelling video - in addition to info from the mole at MAL - that shows someone(s) looking at the stored docs. Side note because I love this movie: Edited August 12, 2022 by EmirOfShmo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Darrell Green Fan Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: yep. On Twitter the prevailing thought on all the right wing threads is that the DOJ and FBI can’t be trusted and this is all a witch hunt. Which is fine. That’s expected. but the main thing is that this can’t give reasonable Rs or independents a way to go back to him over the “raid” as they are pushing. And I think the recent developments the last 14 hours do that which is good news, even if no charges or any other consequences come out of this. You may have further severed their ability to return to him in 2024 too My thoughts exactly. I share your views that I don't believe I'll ever see Donald Trump sent to prison And obviously as we're seeing the base will never waver regardless of what he does But his base isn't enough voters to win him any election, He needs to pull in moderate republicans and independents. I don't see that happening now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 hour ago, The Evil Genius said: That said, I really really really want to see the Donald in an orange jumper. that would be great. Combined with his chosen skin color he would literally disappear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullnelson9999 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 3 hours ago, FLSkinz83 said: Oh yea. Republican policies are why California has crumbled. LOL. But you're not actually providing any analysis. You're just repeating talking points you've heard other people say. Do tell us what you really think of California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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88Comrade2000 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said: My thoughts exactly. I share your views that I don't believe I'll ever see Donald Trump sent to prison And obviously as we're seeing the base will never waver regardless of what he does But his base isn't enough voters to win him any election, He needs to pull in moderate republicans and independents. I don't see that happening now Anybody that voted for Biden, they are now going come back to Trump? I don’t think so but that doesn’t mean they would vote for Biden again. I don’t see anyone really excited for 4 more years of Joe. They may just stay home. If it’s Trump vs Biden; there really is an opening for 3rd party/Independent candidate like there was Ross Perot in 92. Trump is going to announce his run shortly. Trump maybe indicted for multiple things; he will never get convicted. Edited August 12, 2022 by 88Comrade2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLSkinz83 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, fullnelson9999 said: But you're not actually providing any analysis. You're just repeating talking points you've heard other people say. Do tell us what you really think of California. There's been a steady population decline for years. That's not a talking point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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