Cooked Crack Posted July 17, 2021 Author Share Posted July 17, 2021 Going to guess @EmirOfShmo did not mean to use the laugh emoji on that last post. Either that or he cold as hell. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Just want to say that the US has 10x the population of Canada, so you can make any chart look wonky. Still, it’s embarrassing…and unfortunate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmirOfShmo Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Cooked Crack said: Going to guess @EmirOfShmo did not mean to use the laugh emoji on that last post. Either that or he cold as hell. Your guess is correct. Sorry, I've since adjusted my response. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skinsmarydu Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-americans-are-refusing-to-get-vaccine-because-of-biden/ar-AAMjiLe?ocid=winp1taskbar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve09ru Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/60-people-being-admitted-uk-hospitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/ curious is we start seeing this here as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmirOfShmo Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, steve09ru said: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/60-people-being-admitted-uk-hospitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/ curious is we start seeing this here as well Article didn't say which vaccine the 60% received. Any other info on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, steve09ru said: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/60-people-being-admitted-uk-hospitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/ curious is we start seeing this here as well This is to be expected - as more people get vaccinated, especially in high risk groups, more of the cases etc. will shift towards vaccinated people. In the UK, 95% of people over 60 or 65 (can't remember) have been vaccinated). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Yeah, I think something like 5% of people, the vaccine doesn't work. If the "5% of the vaccinated" group is as big as the "unvaccinated" group, then you'd expect equal numbers of infections from each group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Don't do as we say (on air). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steve09ru Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Sticksboi05 said: This is to be expected - as more people get vaccinated, especially in high risk groups, more of the cases etc. will shift towards vaccinated people. In the UK, 95% of people over 60 or 65 (can't remember) have been vaccinated). Makes sense with there being a greater vaccination rate that hospitalizations would go inline with that. This is through June but >70% of hospitalizations were under 65 (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/996218/2021-06-23_COVID-19_Press_Conference_Slides_-_for_publication.pptx.pdf). Currently 54% of the UK is fully vaccinated (90% adults) with 47% of including the vaccinated group. I guess I just expected to see a lesser number within those who have been vaccinated. 2 hours ago, EmirOfShmo said: Article didn't say which vaccine the 60% received. Any other info on this? The UK has four vaccines approved for use: Pfizer-BioNTech, Oxford-AstraZeneca, Moderna and Janssen; three of which require two doses for maximum protection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Why won’t Americans get vaccinated? There is a new and defining divide between Americans who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 and those who claim they will reject vaccination. There is a political component to choosing and rejecting vaccination. In the latest Economist/YouGov poll, Republicans are much more likely to reject the vaccine. More than a quarter of Republicans (29%) say they will not get vaccinated. Just 4% of Democrats say this. But there are other differences as well. Vaccine rejection is higher among whites than it is among black and Hispanic Americans, higher in the Midwest and South than elsewhere in the country, and it is also greater among those with less education. White people with less than a college degree are more than ten points more likely than white people with a college degree to say they will not be vaccinated. Their positions may never change. There is little this group believes could make them change their minds. People who won’t get vaccinated are worried about side effects, microchips and political motivations… but not COVID-19 Why is this? First, 90% of those who reject vaccination fear possible side effects from the vaccine more than they fear COVID-19 itself. Second, only 16% of them believe most of the new cases of COVID-19 are occurring among the unvaccinated. For the most part, they think the virus is spreading equally among the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, or they admit they just don’t know. In contrast, more than three in four of the fully vaccinated know that new infections come mostly from those who have not yet received the vaccine. Click on the link for more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 The tl:dr version of that is that a lot of white people in the south and midwest are absolute ****ing morons. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Fox has quietly implemented its own version of a vaccine passport while its top personalities attack them Tucker Carlson has called the idea of vaccine passports the medical equivalent of "Jim Crow" laws. And other Fox News personalities have spent months both trafficking in anti-vaccine rhetoric and assailing the concept of showing proof of vaccination status. But Fox Corporation, the right-wing talk channel's parent company, has quietly implemented the concept of a vaccine passport as workers slowly return back to the company's offices. Fox employees, including those who work at Fox News, received an email, obtained by CNN Business, from the company's Human Resources department in early June that said Fox had "developed a secure, voluntary way for employees to self-attest their vaccination status." The system allows for employees to self-report to Fox the dates their shots were administered and which vaccines were used. The company has encouraged employees to report their status, telling them that "providing this information to FOX will assist the company with space planning and contact tracing." Employees who report their status are allowed to bypass the otherwise required daily health screening, according to a follow-up email those who reported their vaccination status received. "Thank you for providing FOX with your vaccination information," the email said. "You no longer are required to complete your daily health screening through WorkCare/WorkMatters." Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 28 minutes ago, steve09ru said: Makes sense with there being a greater vaccination rate that hospitalizations would go inline with that. This is through June but >70% of hospitalizations were under 65 (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/996218/2021-06-23_COVID-19_Press_Conference_Slides_-_for_publication.pptx.pdf). Currently 54% of the UK is fully vaccinated (90% adults) with 47% of including the vaccinated group. I guess I just expected to see a lesser number within those who have been vaccinated. The UK has four vaccines approved for use: Pfizer-BioNTech, Oxford-AstraZeneca, Moderna and Janssen; three of which require two doses for maximum protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dont Taze Me Bro Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 3 hours ago, steve09ru said: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/60-people-being-admitted-uk-hospitals-had-two-covid-jabs-adviser-2021-07-19/ curious is we start seeing this here as well Article has been updated since you posted this. They corrected the initial statement of 60% having two dose vaccines to 60% being hospitalized were unvaccinated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Trump's rhetoric on vaccines takes a dramatic turn for the worse On March 1, as public access to COVID-19 vaccines became more common, Donald Trump appeared at a far-right gathering and eventually said the right thing. After insisting that he wanted credit for the development of the vaccines, the former president told a CPAC audience, "So everybody, go get your shot." About a week later, the Republican issued a related statement that meandered, and was annoyingly whiny, but which was nevertheless pro-vaccine: Trump called the shots "beautiful" and suggested that "everyone" would be receiving them. As we discussed at the time, much of the former president's statement was pitiful -- his goal was clearly to seek acclaim for himself, prioritizing his ego over public needs -- but the underlying point remained the same: Trump framed the distribution of vaccines as fundamentally a good thing. Four months later, the Republican's message has taken a dramatic turn for the worse. Trump issued this written statement yesterday: Quote "Joe Biden kept talking about how good of a job he's doing on the distribution of the Vaccine that was developed by Operation Warp Speed or, quite simply, the Trump Administration. He's not doing well at all. He's way behind schedule, and people are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don't trust his Administration, they don't trust the Election results, and they certainly don't trust the Fake News, which is refusing to tell the Truth." Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 "Flagging" misinformation isn't enough: COVID is resurging because the right gobbles up lies On Thursday, Surgeon General Vivek Murthy did something no surgeon general has done before: He issued a warning — not about what people are consuming with their bodies — but with their minds. "I am urging all Americans to help slow the spread of health misinformation during the COVID-19 pandemic and beyond," Murthy asked in the health advisory titled "Confronting Health Misinformation." At a White House press conference Thursday, Murthy reserved his harshest criticism for tech companies, who he said "allowed people who intentionally spread misinformation — what we call disinformation — to have extraordinary reach" and whose algorithms are "pulling us deeper and deeper into a well of misinformation." White House press secretary Jen Psaki said: "We've increased disinformation research and tracking within the Surgeon General's Office. We are flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation." This advisory may not seem like it, but it's a very big deal. From the highest levels of the federal government, such a warning is an official recognition of how, now that vaccines are widely available, COVID-19 spreading should be understood more as a social phenomenon than a biological one. Murthy also wisely centered how much this false information is being deliberately spread by bad actors and zeroed in on the fact that the tech companies are letting lies spread on social media because it's profitable to do so. But that last point really underscores why the spread of disinformation is such a sticky problem, and why fact-checking and better health information is probably not enough to convince people, especially Republicans, to get vaccinated. Misinformation isn't really the cause of people refusing the COVID-19 vaccination. It's just the excuse people are wielding to justify an extremely stupid choice to risk their own health to demonstrate their tribalist loyalties to the Republican Party and their hatred of the Democrats. In this particular chicken-and-egg situation, the rejection of the vaccine comes first, and the lies are spread to rationalize a decision that's already been made. Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Stark Health Department, insurers handing out $50 for those getting vaccination shots Seeking to boost the county's lagging vaccination rate, the Stark County Health Department, in conjunction with some of Ohio’s largest health insurers, is giving out a $50 prepaid Visa gift card to those who roll up their sleeves for a COVID-19 vaccine during mobile clinics this week and next. Those covered by Aetna, Buckeye Health Plan, CareSource, Molina Healthcare, MyCare Ohio, Paramount, UnitedHealthcare and Medicaid are eligible. This is the third round of mobile vaccination clinics that the health agency has dispatched around the county in hopes that convenience will trump hesitancy. The clinics will offer the Pfizer-BioNtech vaccine, which has been approved for those 12 and older. Children between 12 and 17 must be accompanied by an adult. Chris Cugini, a communications specialist at the county health agency, said that 12 people received their first shot at the three mobile clinics held July 14 in Brewster, Pike Township and Waynesburg. “Every person we get vaccinated at this point is a win,” Cugini said. “Slow and steady wins the race.” He said the $50 incentive will help boost turnout, but he thinks that the convenience of the mobile clinics is really what attracts people. Everyone who receives a shot at the clinics, regardless of health plan, will receive a $10 BellStores gift card. Cugini said that 49.7% of the eligible population in Stark County has been fully vaccinated, and 53% of the eligible population has had at least one shot as of July 18. Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 14 hours ago, China said: The system allows for employees to self-report to Fox the dates their shots were administered and which vaccines were used. In short, they're not tracking of encouraging vaccination. They're encouraging people to lie about their vaccination status. (And feeding the company liability protection if the place turns into a super spreader. "Oooh, they all said they were vaccinated.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 We live in a country where we have to pay people $50 to get a vaccine against a virus that has killed over 600,000 people and counting thus far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 More explanation of the misinterpretation of decent percentages of infected or hospitalized being vaccinated. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 States are sitting on millions of surplus Covid-19 vaccine doses as expiration dates approach Millions of unused Covid-19 vaccines are set to go to waste as demand dwindles across the United States and doses likely expire this summer, according to public health officials. Several state health departments told STAT they have repeatedly asked the federal government to redistribute their supply to other countries, many of which are facing a third wave of the Covid-19 pandemic. Officials in Washington have rejected those requests, citing legal and logistical challenges. “We’re drowning in this stuff,” said Robert Ator, a retired colonel in the Arkansas Air National Guard who is leading that state’s Covid-19 vaccine distribution drive. “It’s starting to get a bit silly and we want to make sure we’re being good stewards.” Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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