The Official ES 2020 Free Agency Thread /Tracker... Kendall Fuller,OG Schweitzer, KP Louis, Thomas Davis, McKissic, TE Logan Thomas, OT Lucas, QB Kyle Allen (trd 5th Rd pick), RB P. Barber, LB Davis, Ronald Darby

[Voice_of_Reason]

2 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

Judging by the amount of quality receivers that came out of the ‘19 and ‘18 drafts plus the Quantity of good receivers this year, I’d rather take my chances in the draft than drop 17-20 a year on Cooper.

Counter argument: let’s just say you do get Trent moves, and have somewhere around $80m of cap space available.  You have to spend it.  There is a floor you have to get over.

 

And I’d much prefer to spend more money on better players than less money on average players.  We’ve had so much average for average, I want star,  blue chip players who fit the system and are in their prime.  

[PartyPosse]

8 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

It would be massively expensive but if you had Cooper/McLaurin/Sims/Hooper/(Guice/Love) as your weapons, that could amount to something....

 

And unlike previous groupings, these skill sets seem to compliment each other.  

This basically looks like the Falcons offense of two years ago.

[Voice_of_Reason]

3 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

This basically looks like the Falcons offense of two years ago.

That got them to the SB?

[PartyPosse]

3 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Counter argument: let’s just say you do get Trent moves, and have somewhere around $80m of cap space available.  You have to spend it.  There is a floor you have to get over.

 

And I’d much prefer to spend more money on better players than less money on average players.  We’ve had so much average for average, I want star,  blue chip players who fit the system and are in their prime.  

The floor is never for any single year but over a span of I believe 3 years. I’d rather roll the money over for next year.

 

also, I’d rather save the money and invest in the elite talents we have on defense. Spend big to keep Payne, Sweat, Young, Collins etc and a few select pieces on offense (Guice, Haskins, Terry, Sims, OL). Everything else can be plucked in FA and with mediocre yet affordable talent.

1 minute ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

That got them to the SB?

I mean sure, but the talent in Atlanta was better. Haskins isn’t quite Ryan, Terry isn’t Jones, Guice/Love aren’t Freeman/Coleman. They all may be eventually but..

 

[crabbypatty]

18 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

Judging by the amount of quality receivers that came out of the ‘19 and ‘18 drafts plus the Quantity of good receivers this year, I’d rather take my chances in the draft than drop 17-20 a year on Cooper.

 

You could do both. I am not a fan of cooper, but I have to admit he would open things up in the run game as well as help Terry and Sims.. I don't care for his disappearing act in games last year, but the guy gets open and can cause problems for defenses. If we add another premier WR along with Terry, with Sims and his speed in the slot, plus Harmon on the bench AND draft another guy in this deep WR draft?

You're looking at a very enviable WR corps. And if we get a decent tight end to go with it all?? We'd be in for some exciting times if DH pans out.

[actorguy1]

 

 

 

 

 

[HigSkin]

11 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

It would be massively expensive but if you had Cooper/McLaurin/Sims/Hooper/(Guice/Love) as your weapons, that could amount to something....

 

And unlike previous groupings, these skill sets seem to compliment each other.  

 

 

We may get our wish and get in on Cooper.  Should know by Saturday according to Schefter and others.

 

 

 

[Fresh8686]

 

 

[HTTRDynasty]

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[PartyPosse]

****, I’d take a flyer on that griffin guy. What’s the worst that can happen?

[HTTRDynasty]

 

The most overrated, underrated 2020 NFL free agents at every position

 

QUARTERBACK

OVERRATED: PHILIP RIVERS

Navigating the quarterback market in free agency is always tricky, since it's unlikely that several of the top QBs will actually hit the open market, but Rivers seems to be among the most coveted. At his best, Rivers has been among the top quarterbacks in the NFL, but he is coming off a season in which he posted an overall PFF grade of just 74.3, the 17th-best mark in the league. The 2020 season will see him turn 39, and Rivers has already started to show signs of decline, which makes the Chargers lifer a risky acquisition.

 

UNDERRATED: CASE KEENUM

Such is the state of the quarterback-driven NFL that none of the available starting-caliber players will truly be underrated. But you could find bargains once you get to the players who will be content with a backup role. Keenum, who spent 2019 with the Redskins, has plenty of poor play on his résumé but is just two seasons removed from an overall PFF grade of 81.4 and a trip to the NFC Championship Game. He may have exhausted starting opportunities but has real value as a backup, and a team wouldn't have to break the bank to acquire his services.

 

WIDE RECEIVER

OVERRATED: AMARI COOPER

Just as Henry is a fantastic tailback, Cooper is an excellent receiver and was a big piece of the Cowboys' offense. He is coming off the best-graded season of his career, and he will be just 26 years old next season. In theory, he is the perfect free-agent target for a receiver-needy team. But he never quite seems to put it all together as consistently as the very best receivers in the game. The 2019 campaign marked the first season that he finished with a top-10 PFF grade, and even then, he still finished ninth. Cooper probably will want a market-defining deal at the position, but over the course of a whole season, he hasn't played like he deserves one in the same way that others have.

 

UNDERRATED: BRESHAD PERRIMAN

In the last few games of Tampa Bay's 2019 season, the former first-round draft bust flashed the potential that made him such an enticing prospect. Thrust into the starting lineup because of injuries, Perriman recorded 100-yard games in the final three outings, and he didn't drop a single pass in any one of them. He still represents a long shot, but he is also just 26 years old and could be signed for a bargain price because of his career history to date.

 

TIGHT END

OVERRATED: AUSTIN HOOPER

Hooper notched 787 receiving yards last season with Atlanta, and while his overall PFF grade of 78.3 was certainly respectable, there is cause for concern in how that grade was produced. Much of his production came through simply taking what defenses gave him, but when he was targeted against single coverage, his grade dropped to just 66.5, almost 30 points lower than the league's better receiving tight ends.

 

UNDERRATED: HUNTER HENRY

Injuries have slowed Henry, and though he put up career highs in targets, receptions and yards in 2019, it was a significantly less efficient year than either of his first two seasons. He didn't look like quite the same dynamic player he did before injuries, and he wasn't particularly helped by Rivers' decline with the Chargers. If Henry can get back to his best, he has the potential to be one of the game's best. But the time to get him on a cheaper contract is now.

 

OFFENSIVE LINE

OVERRATED: BRANDON SCHERFF

Scherff has always been a good-not-great player at the NFL level, but it takes a lot for teams to move beyond the top-five-pick label, no matter how long ago that player's draft happened. Scherff gave up just one sack and 10 total pressures this past season in Washington, but he was penalized nine times. His overall PFF grade of 75.0 was good enough for seventh among guards league-wide. While Scherff is undoubtedly a fine player, he has rarely looked like a truly elite player at the position and might not be entirely worth the big-money deal he'll command.

 

UNDERRATED: STEFEN WISNIEWSKI

Wisniewski has been underrated for his entire career. All he does is come into the starting lineup for teams and perform at a solid level — and he often outperforms the player he replaced. He has now played for four different teams and started on two Super Bowl-winning offensive lines (earning grades above 65.0 in each game) despite having been a backup to start both seasons. He will assuredly be brought in by a team needing depth along the line once again, as he was with Kansas City, but he could easily start for several clubs.

 

LINEBACKER

OVERRATED: JON BOSTIC

We're slowly moving away from surface-level box-score analysis in the NFL. However, it can still have an irresistible allure, and a linebacker registering 100-plus tackles will entice some. But even when you use the “official numbers,” you'll see that a large number of those tackles were assists, and that alone should make you wonder about the accuracy of that data. That's precisely the case with the Redskins' Bostic in 2019. He took the opposing ball carrier to the ground 101 times last season, but 24 of those were charted as an “assisted tackle” in our grading system. He also missed 11 attempts and earned a PFF run-defense grade of only 50.7.

 

UNDERRATED: CORY LITTLETON

Over the past couple of seasons, Littleton has been one of the best coverage linebackers in the game. Only Lavonte David and Luke Kuechly had a higher PFF coverage grade than Littleton's 90.1 over the past two seasons. And in that span, he has notched 16 forced incompletions, the third-best figure among all linebackers. The Rams' Littleton carved a niche as a coverage specialist at a time when that has never been more valuable in the NFL.

 

CORNERBACK

OVERRATED: BRADLEY ROBY

A year ago, Roby took a one-year deal with the Texans in an attempt to have a strong season and return to free agency with a stronger market for his services. He will be only 28 years old next season, but his performance in 2019 was barely better than the previous year's, and it was short of his best play that came in 2017. That season's grade was largely built on an impressive number of pass breakups (15). In the two years since, he has tallied just 16 across more than double the amount of targets.

 

UNDERRATED: BYRON JONES

Cornerbacks who don't come down with interceptions will always be underrated, especially by teams that view dropped picks as missed opportunities rather than good coverage plays. Jones, who has spent all five years of his career in Dallas, has just two interceptions, and none in the past two seasons. But over that span, he does have the seventh-best PFF coverage grade (85.1) among all corners and 28 forced incompletions (tied for eighth).

 

SAFETY

OVERRATED: JIMMIE WARD

Ward is coming off a career year as part of a transformed 49ers defense. He was a legitimate playmaker this past season despite not making an interception, registering a 30-point jump in overall PFF grade from his previous two seasons. A former first-round pick, Ward clearly has talent, but paying for players coming off such an outlier contract year is risky at best.

 

UNDERRATED: ANTHONY HARRIS

You could make the argument that the same is true for Harris, but while Harris' 2019 was by far the best season of his career, he has consistently graded well any time he has seen the field for the Vikings. He was finally rewarded with a chance to start all season last year, and he finished with the best PFF coverage grade (91.6) among all safeties. He tallied six interceptions and five pass breakups in the regular season before picking off Drew Brees in the postseason.

 

[HTTRDynasty]

 

[KDawg]

I'd love to snag Anthony Harris, Amari Cooper, Cory Littleton in FA.

 

I would also enjoy many other things that will not come to fruition. 

 

But I'd love to snag those three. 

[Est.1974]

Jets dumpling T Johnson implies a)he was being vastly overpaid b)they are going to heavily invest in a FA CB.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

 

 

[HTTRDynasty]

4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Love this.  Load up on quality players at value in the secondary, draft Young, sign Littleton, and watch your defense take off.

[Skinsinparadise]

15 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

Love this.  Load up on quality players at value in the secondary, draft Young, sign Littleton, and watch your defense take off.

 

Yeah I'd also rather go multiple cheaper CBs than Bradberry.  I like Littleton but don't recall any rumors yet about them being interested unless I missed something but maybe they are keeping it under wraps

[HTTRDynasty]

8 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah I'd also rather go multiple cheaper CBs than Bradberry.  I like Littleton but don't recall any rumors yet about them being interested unless I missed something but maybe they are keeping it under wraps

 

Yeah, I was just projecting my desire to sign Littleton there. 

 

I wouldn't doubt it happening though.  Ron has stated multiple times that he's a strong believer in building the front 7 first and foremost, which jives with this recent report of signing lower tier CBs.  With him and JDR both having backgrounds as LBs, and their history coaching some of the best LBs of all time, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make that position their "splash" 2020 FA signing.

[KDawg]

11 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah I'd also rather go multiple cheaper CBs than Bradberry.  I like Littleton but don't recall any rumors yet about them being interested unless I missed something but maybe they are keeping it under wraps

 

I think Harris alone changes our secondary for the better. I'm still not against adding a corner, but Littleton + SDH + Harris is a COMPLETE coverage difference for us. 

[Skinsinparadise]

8 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

I think Harris alone changes our secondary for the better. I'm still not against adding a corner, but Littleton + SDH + Harris is a COMPLETE coverage difference for us. 

 

I am on board with all of that.  Though judging at least by twitter it looks like the competition will be stiff for all the top line players.  It might be lucky if we land one of them let alone multiple top line players.  As Keim and others have alluded to this isn't a destination spot for FA's anymore.  Granted money though talks.  For example, I was reading about how Amari Cooper loves playing in Dallas and that included him loving Dallas' facilities.  The Redskins facilities in contrast might be the worst in the league or close enough.

 

I suspect we land one of the top line FA simply by outbidding all others.  But wonder if we land more than 1 of the top line guys.

9 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

Yeah, I was just projecting my desire to sign Littleton there. 

 

I wouldn't doubt it happening though.  Ron has stated multiple times that he's a strong believer in building the front 7 first and foremost, which jives with this recent report of signing lower tier CBs.  With him and JDR both having backgrounds as LBs, and their history coaching some of the best LBs of all time, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make that position their "splash" 2020 FA signing.

 

Yep I've said it on multiple threads myself about his stress about MLB.  Just saying we've been linked to multiple FA players but I've yet to see Littleton.  It could be a blow the radar type of move.  It's often the agents of said players who leak the interest. 

[KDawg]

Just now, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I am on board with all of that.  Though judging at least but twitter it looks like the competition will be stiff for all the top line players.  It might be lucky if we land one of them let alone multiple players.  As Keim and others have alluded to this isn't a destination spot for FA's anymore.  Granted money though talks.  For example, I was reading about how Amari Cooper loves playing in Dallas and that included him loving Dallas' facilities.  The Redskins facilities in contrast might be the worst in the league or close enough.

 

I suspect we land one of the top line FA simply by outbidding all others.  But wonder if we land more than 1 of the top line guys.

 

So, to be transparent...

 

I don't think we land Hooper or Cooper.

 

I think Harris should be our top priority. Littleton next. Cooper after that. Then Hooper.

 

I'm undecided on FA OL because I'm not sure what happens with our dudes, so that jumps in there somewhere if we don't get the good stuff. Likely above Littleton.

[kingdaddy]

If I'm Del Rio and RR I sit down with Landon and ask him which of the free agent free safeties he thinks would be best for the team/who he wants to run with back there. Then go hard after that guy. We need to compliment the Collins signing with a legit partner for him in my opinion.

 

[Skinsinparadise]

Just now, KDawg said:

 

So, to be transparent...

 

I don't think we land Hooper or Cooper.

 

I think Harris should be our top priority. Littleton next. Cooper after that. Then Hooper.

 

I'm undecided on FA OL because I'm not sure what happens with our dudes, so that jumps in there somewhere if we don't get the good stuff. Likely above Littleton.

 

I am on board with Littleton, Hooper, Cooper, Harris. I am not even bothering to rank them because I suspect we'd be lucky to get one of them.   If I recall I was the first or one of the first to hype Harris on this thread, so yeah I am certainly on board with him -- don't recall any linkages rumor wise with the Redskins and Harris, yet.

 

I put more stock with rumors of teams to FAs as opposed to the draft because reputedly its the agents leaking the interest and it behooves the agents to create a bidding war.  So if the Redskins poked around, it wouldn't behoove the agent to be quiet about it.  Yet, the Redskins could always just purposely lay low with the agent and lets say this weekend surface hard for certain targeted players.  For example, I recall last year the leak with Redskins were into Landon Colllins and CJ Moseley.  Both targets ended up correct. they got outbid for Moseley.

 

 

[Est.1974]

I’ll continue to plug Daryl Worley as a lower tier CB we should target.

 

At safety, Tre Boston is the easy name to throw out there, but I like Adrian Phillips and I wonder if Sean Davis is worth taking a look at. IR’d last season but very solid in his previous seasons in PITT.