The Official ES 2020 Free Agency Thread /Tracker... Kendall Fuller,OG Schweitzer, KP Louis, Thomas Davis, McKissic, TE Logan Thomas, OT Lucas, QB Kyle Allen (trd 5th Rd pick), RB P. Barber, LB Davis, Ronald Darby

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Amari Cooper is young. Del Rio drafted him if I’m not mistaken. A surgical route runner comped to Antonio Brown coming out. I think he’d do amazing things with Haskins and McLauren. 
 

He’s gonna take $20 million per year to sign. But it’s not a signing I’d be against. But it would probably prevent a Hooper signing. But could

let us go Olsen and TE in R3 since you likely aren’t drafting a WR with Cooper, McLauren, Sims, Harmon as your 1-4

[skinny21]

@JamesMadisonSkins Good call re. 2021 dollars.  Was looking at projected cap space on spotrac, but totally missed they have the 49 from this year rolling over.  I’ll amend when I have a chance.  

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Frankly if I could script an off-season on offense it would be:

 

Re-Sign Scherff RG

Extend Trent at LT
Re-Sign Flowers at LG

Sign Hooper for TE

Draft WR in R3 (Jefferson, Edwards)

Draft OT in R4 (Charles)

Draft TE in R5 (Parkinson/Moss/Sullivan)

And on defense I would complement by:

Re-structuring Kerrigan on a 3 year total deal

Signing Bradberry at CB

Signing Boston at FS

Guarantee Dunbar’s $4m and keep him for 2020

Draft Chase at 2 at DE

Draft LB in R4
Draft CB in R7

[Voice_of_Reason]

15 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I feel like he is a big drain on resources, but could be a good player for us. Not on board, but I can think of much worse moves. 

I don't think we're going to be players for Cooper regardless, because I think the 2 most obvious spots for him to land are to stay in Dallas or NE if Brady re-signs.  

 

That said, I also think it's really important to do better than Harmon across from McLaurin.  I like Harmon, he can play a lot of positions, he knows how to get open to some extent.  However, on a good offense, I think he's more of a backup and rotational guy.  For whatever reason, I see him as a somewhat more talented Ryan Grant.  And you need those guys.  But you need better guys to start.  

 

I don't think we're going to sign Cooper whether we want to or not, but I think the team REALLY wants to make sure there's "protection" for McLaurin on the other side so teams can't roll coverage to his side every play and he always has to beat a double team.  I don't think that's Harmon.  Sims working from the slot doesn't do that.  You need somebody outside on the other side to make sure the safety can't just rotate at the snap.  Which is why I think the team is going to go after somebody like Cooper, AJ Green or Anderson, who seem to be the 3 most proven guys of doing that, if you can count Anderson as "proven."

 

2 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

I don’t understand the infatuation with AJ Green. He’ll almost definitely underperform the contract he receives due to his inability to stay healthy. 

As I said above, I don't think the team will land Cooper.  A lot of people think Anderson is Richardson part 2.  That leaves Green.  He's not what he was, but he is probably good enough for 2 years to fill the role as you draft additional resources to replace him.  And I don't think he's going to get a monster contract.  A good one, but not monster.

 

I am personally in favor of the move, but not infatuated.  I DO think they have to get somebody opposite McLaurin though.  

 

One thing Bruce/Jay/whoever tried to do was set up an offense which ran through Reed, Crowder and CT after they let Garcon and DJax go.  With Grant, Doctson and whoever on the outside, but the focus was the shifty slot guy, the great TE and the elusive RB.  The problem with that philosophy is that all of the guys work inside, and you allow the defense to clog up the middle, and they stop the TE, slot guy and RB at the same time. So they can really play straight up on the outside on Grant and Doctson and ignore them because they weren't going to beat you.  Obviously, the other flaw in this plan is Reeed and CT couldn't stay healthy either, which was just doubling down on a stupid plan.  

 

I hope they don't try and make the mistake of trying to scheme up an offense with 1 WR, a good (but not yet great) slot guy, an old TE, and a role player, ie: McLaurin, Sims, Olsen, Harmon.  

 

If you're going to attack a defense, the best way is to keep them honest with speed/play making ability on the outside, which forces the safeties to at least honor the deep outside on both sides of the field, then you can work your interior routes with more space.  Also helps the run game.  

[KDawg]

You know what I’m absolutely fascinated in? Where Brady ends up.

 

Not so much for that team and Brady, but RE: New England. 
 

They’ll be stuck without a quarterback besides Stidham.

 

That makes them players in free agency (Brees, Rivers types... maybe a Tannehill type). But it also makes them a wild card in the draft to move up.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

9 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

He’s gonna take $20 million per year to sign. But it’s not a signing I’d be against. But it would probably prevent a Hooper signing. But could

let us go Olsen and TE in R3 since you likely aren’t drafting a WR with Cooper, McLauren, Sims, Harmon as your 1-4

I could absolutely live with McLaurin/Cooper on the outside, Sims in the slot, Olsen at TE, Guice/Love at RB (assuming health), and Harmon as a backup/possession guy in certain packages.

 

Then you draft a developmental TE to replace Olsen, in an ideal world.

 

However, I think Cooper is going to NE if Brady goes back there, or they figure out a way to keep him in Dallas, and Olsen will go to Seattle if they want him.    So, while I would be all about it, I doubt it happens.  

 

Which might lead us to AJ Green and Hooper, and I think I could live with McLaurin/Green, Sims, Hooper, and Guice/Love as well.  

 

What I wouldn't prefer is McLaurin/Harmon, Sims, Sprinkle, Guice/Love.  That is, in the kindest terms, uninspiring.  

2 minutes ago, KDawg said:

You know what I’m absolutely fascinated in? Where Brady ends up.

 

Not so much for that team and Brady, but RE: New England. 
 

They’ll be stuck without a quarterback besides Stidham.

 

That makes them players in free agency (Brees, Rivers types... maybe a Tannehill type). But it also makes them a wild card in the draft to move up.

I don't think Brady leaves NE.  Just a hunch.  These things tend to work themselves out.  While I think Belichick believes he could win with anybody, and in brief periods, he hasn't been wrong, (I don't remember the name of the guy who played the year Brady had the ACL, but he stunk, the Pats still went 10-6, and he made a ton of money from the Chiefs I think.  Matt Cassell maybe?  I don't care enough to look that up.) Kraft is not going to let Brady out of the building if Brady wants to return.  

 

Now what would be fascinating is if there is a power struggle and Kraft wants Brady, Bill says no, Kraft overrules him and Bill just quits.  Which seems unlikely, but I could see him doing.  

 

But the greatest chance is Brady stays in NE with Bill.  They sign 3-4 guys and compete for the SB.  Again.  Because, you know, it's the way of things.  

[Skinsinparadise]

1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

The more I read about this guy, the more he seems like a Paul Richardson clone.  If the team wants to really add a #1A WR accross from McLaurin, signing Anderson doesn't seem like accomplishes that goal.  He might develop into that, but it's not certain.  And I think because he's young, fast and athletic, somebody is going to overpay for his production.

 

I would be more included to sign AJ Green to a shorter term contract (assuming the medical checks out) and then draft a few guys to see if anybody pops.  Because assuming he's healthy, Green has good speed and runs good routes.  If you had skill positions of AJ Green, McLaurin, Simms, Olsen and Guice/Love (assuming either can stay healthy for more than 1 game), that's not bad as a base set of guys.  Clearly you'd like to get more speed at TE, (see post above), but if you're a defense, you'd have to pay attention to everybody because all of them can hurt you if you just roll coverage to one side or another.  It's not the KC Chiefs skill position group or anything like that, but it would be closer to 10-15 ranking in skill position groupings than 25-32.  

 

I get the feeling Anderson is one of those guys who is going to benefit because of timing.  Good measurable, you can blame the QB situation with the Jets for some of the lack of production, and there aren't a lot of other options, so he becomes more attractive.  

 

Yeah could be.  Richardson was one FA I touted years back, I was dead wrong on him.   Anderson is lanky like Richardson but not as thin.  But he's somewhat the same type of player, home run hitter (better on that count than Richardson) but not a do it all type. 

 

If they are sold on Anderson, I wouldn't hate it though.  I would get the method to the madness of loading up on another deep threat in a Coryell style-play action offense.   As I've been mentioning a ton on the draft thread, WR is loaded in this draft.  Some say its historically loaded, I'd agree. 

 

As for the mentions here about Amari Cooper.  He's the only FA Wr that I love.   Stud.  But I presume he's getting at least 15 million.  Also if I recall he mostly plays X, same spot as McLaurin.  So someone would move over. 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

 

 

[KDawg]

Almost like Julie reads ES.

 

Though curiously no mention of 71.

[Est.1974]

Richardson had less than 20 starts and little more than 1,000 yards in his 4 years at Seattle before getting a deal here. 
 

Anderson has nearer 50 starts and over 3,000 yards in the same number of season.

 

He’ll make a very good #2 across from our #1 in situ Terry Mc.

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

6 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Almost like Julie reads ES.

 

Though curiously no mention of 71.

 

She mentioned Trent on the initial tweet.  National reporters have echoed they are trying to work things out with Trent.  So at the very least most scuttlebutt point to they are going to try to work things out with Trent versus trading him. 

 

As some of us mentioned many times on the Trent thread months back the idea that their trade leverage for Trent will increase as opposed to decrease (as Bruce supposedly told others behind the scenes) this off season seemed wildly off.    You got a loaded draft at LT.  FA.  And an older Trent.  So I think from a value stand point, you almost have to try to work it out with Trent.  Also if they take Chase versus trade down, it won't be easy to replace Trent via the draft at least. 

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

8 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

Richardson had less than 20 starts and little more than 1,000 yards in his 4 years at Seattle before getting a deal here. 
 

Anderson has nearer 50 starts and over 3,000 yards in the same number of season.

 

He’ll make a very good #2 across from our #1 in situ Terry Mc.

 

 

 

With Richardson the bet was his last season in Seattle was the portent to him rising further.  He was injured before that in the previous seasons.  That never happened -- the injuries continued here.

 

Anderson I agree is better than Richardson.  He's faster.  He's bigger.  He's the better deep threat.  He's a good player.  I just don't know if I'd break the bank for him because I don't see him as a #1.  So it depends on what they pay him.  If I recall he plays Z and that's the spot they are trying to fill.

 

He's had some off the field stuff.  So not sure what kind of locker room guy he is. 

 

The draft is so loaded at WR that I wouldn't break the bank for a WR but as I said I wouldn't hate it if they got Anderson, I'd get the method to the madness. 

 

 

[bakedtater1]

I still cant help but to think they'll bring in a veteran back up for Dwayne....soooo d Williams says haskins needs to put a mail box up there at head quarters...anyone got a visual on this said mailbox?

Id love to see bradberry here....i miss swearinger playing with his hair on fire lol

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

35 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Almost like Julie reads ES.

 

Though curiously no mention of 71.

 

[Malapropismic Depository]

This guy will be a Free Agent in 2 months.

Maybe a decent backup

 

 

 

[Est.1974]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Anderson I agree is better than Richardson.  He's faster.  He's bigger.  He's the better deep threat.  He's a good player.  I just don't know if I'd break the bank for him because I don't see him as a #1.  So it depends on what they pay him.  If I recall he plays Z and that's the spot they are trying to fill.

 

He's had some off the field stuff.  So not sure what kind of locker room guy he is. 

 

The draft is so loaded at WR that I wouldn't break the bank for a WR but as I said I wouldn't hate it if they got Anderson, I'd get the method to the madness. 

 

 

agree with all of this SIP.

 

I recall really wanting us to get Robert Woods. He’d had 4 just and so better than average seasons with the Bill. He’s done alright since on what now looks like a bargain of a deal. Got the same feeling with Anderson.

 

dare say it might come to pure cash. He’s looking for 10mil p/y. That’s borderline the very max for me, probably just over. But paying now will dovetail nicely into these WR rookie deals expiring. 
 

still think we get some mid round value in the draft too assuming we stick at #2 for Young. I mean, if we trade out, we might purge the draft so who knows.

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

6 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

agree with all of this SIP.

 

I recall really wanting us to get Robert Woods. He’d had 4 just and so better than average seasons with the Bill. He’s done alright since on what now looks like a bargain of a deal. Got the same feeling with Anderson.

 

dare say it might come to pure cash. He’s looking for 10mil p/y. That’s borderline the very max for me, probably just over. But paying now will dovetail nicely into these WR rookie deals expiring. 
 

still think we get some mid round value in the draft too assuming we stick at #2 for Young. I mean, if we trade out, we might purge the draft so who knows.

 

 

 

Just found this on Anderson, interesting.

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-the-jets-failed-to-take-advantage-of-robby-andersons-greatest-asset

ANDERSON ISN'T JUST A ONE-TRICK PONY

Last offseason, my colleague, Austin Gayle, wrote an article claiming that Anderson was a prime breakout candidate in 2019. That didn't exactly pan out, but the main crux of the argument revolved around the expanding route tree that we saw from Anderson in the 2018 season — he relied less on vertical routes like go routes and hitches and saw much more action in the intermediate range. That progression continued in 2019. 

Robby Anderson on passes 10-19 yards downfield

Season	Receiving grade	% of receiving yards
2016	53.2	18%
2017	64.4	20%
2018	84.2	40%
2019	82.5	39%

After being used primarily as a deep specialist early on in his career, Anderson has expanded his repertoire over the last two seasons. He has roughly doubled the percentage of his yardage coming in the intermediate range (10 to 19 yards downfield), and his receiving grade on targets in that range has bumped north of 80.0 in each of the past two seasons. 

He's seen similar increases in production on horizontal-lead passes like crossing routes and slants. Anderson has raised his reception total and receiving yardage total on those horizontal-lead passes each year since 2016, bringing in 32 such catches for 391 yards this past season. He has the speed and ball-tracking ability to be an effective field-stretcher regardless of whether or not he can do the other things needed to be a top option, but the fact that he has started to build his route tree beyond go routes and hitches in recent seasons is promising for his prospects as a legitimate No. 1 option in the passing game.  

[Skin'emAlive]

Bobby has hamstring issues. That never goes away. He’s unreliable 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[Est.1974]

Isn’t Slay wanting 17mil+ p/y

[Skinsinparadise]

Redskins tight end Jordan Reed remains in the concussion protocol nearly six months after suffering the injury in the third preseason game of 2019. Reed is expected to be cleared soon, according to a person familiar with situation who spoke on a condition of anonymity, but is expected to be released once cleared.

The Athletic first reported Reed still being in the protocol.

The Redskins’ new regime, led by coach Ron Rivera, began reshaping the roster last week. The team would save $8.5 million against the cap by releasing Reed before June 1 as he has two years remaining on a five-year, $46.75-million deal, according to salary website Over The Cap. He carries a $10.3-million cap number for 2020 if he remains on the team. Reed would need to be removed from the concussion protocol before being released, or else he and the team would need to reach an injury settlement, which is unlikely when dealing with concussions.

 

 

Redskins release cornerback Josh Norman and wideout Paul Richardson Jr.

Reed, 29, has been the model of unfulfilled potential in Washington as injuries have derailed his career. He’s been plagued with foot, toe and hamstring ailments, in addition to a seventh documented concussion. which caused him to miss all of 2019. Reed played a career-high 14 games in 2015 and hasn’t come close to approaching the 87 receptions for 952 yards and 11 touchdowns from that season. He made his lone Pro Bowl in 2016 after playing 12 games with 66 receptions for 686 yards and six touchdowns.

Tight end was a huge hole for the team last season as Vernon Davis dealt with his own concussion that limited him to just four games. Davis officially retired this offseason. The team has acknowledged the position needs to be addressed before 2020.

“You don’t have to be a Phi Beta Kappa to know our tight ends aren’t what we expected them to be, if we didn’t have the two guys who we thought were (going to be) prominent,” senior vice president of player development Doug Williams said two weeks ago.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/02/17/jordan-reed-still-concussion-protocol-expected-be-released-after-being-cleared/?utm_campaign=wp_redskins&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

[Skinsinparadise]

29 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

Isn’t Slay wanting 17mil+ p/y

 

Wouldn't surprise me.  I think though Bradberry and Jones are getting top money in FA, too.  Bradberry was already quoted somewhere about wanting a big payday.   Good corners hitting FA typically adds up to good money.  

 

With Slay turning 30, and you lose a draft pick, hard pass from me. 

 

 

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah could be.  Richardson was one FA I touted years back, I was dead wrong on him.   Anderson is lanky like Richardson but not as thin.  But he's somewhat the same type of player, home run hitter (better on that count than Richardson) but not a do it all type. 

I don't know much about Anderson, honestly. I haven't watched him.  I know his reputation and his stats.  

 

I think 2 things really impacted Richardson's time here: 1. He was never healthy.  Like, from day 1 he was hurt.  2. (And this might be related to #1) they never used him the way he needed to be used, which was to stretch the field with speed to clear short and mid-range routes.  Now, if that's because his injuries took away his speed, I get that.  But it was weird that they paid a guy to take the top off the defense, and he was running 8 yard hitches all the damn time.  I can give injury as an excuse for some of that.  However I think there's a component of just bad use/coaching in there as well.  AND they signed him knowing the injury history, on a team filled with injury history.  Which is actually the reason I was very "meh" on the signing. However's idea it was.  

 

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

If they are sold on Anderson, I wouldn't hate it though.  I would get the method to the madness of loading up on another deep threat in a Coryell style-play action offense.   As I've been mentioning a ton on the draft thread, WR is loaded in this draft.  Some say its historically loaded, I'd agree. 

As long as he was used properly and he isn't paid like a guy who's a top 5-10 guy at the position, I guess it's fine.  The question is one of potential.  He might have potential, but he hasn't done it yet.  So if you're sold on potential, fine.  

 

Honestly, I'd prefer to get a guy who's done it already, and then draft a couple folks who could grow into the role down the road.  As a side note, it's really a bummer we don't have a second round pick.  Though, if Jack can get Sweat to be a monster pass-rusher, it will be worth it.  But that second, which is almost an extended first because of how early it is, could be so useful at a number of positions.  I actually really like targeting offensive skill positions early in the second round.  WE, TE, RB.  Traditionally you get really good value there.  The first typically sees a run on QBs, OL, DL, DB.  And on the defensive side, specifically pass-rushers.  So you typically have some really good offensive skill positions available in the top of the second.  Which of course means this year every WR in the draft will be selected in the first round.  Because that's just how it works.  

 

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

As for the mentions here about Amari Cooper.  He's the only FA Wr that I love.   Stud.  But I presume he's getting at least 15 million.  Also if I recall he mostly plays X, same spot as McLaurin.  So someone would move over. 

 

Yeah.  He's really good.  He basically saved the Cowboy's 2018 season single handedly.  I just don't think he's coming here.  I think he's Dallas or NE.  

[duffy]

25 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Redskins tight end Jordan Reed remains in the concussion protocol nearly six months after suffering the injury in the third preseason game of 2019. 

 

 

Sad story. Really wish him the best of luck in recovery. I hope he's played his last game in football. There's no need for him  to continue doing damage.