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5 hours ago, Dont Taze Me Bro said:

 

So you're not acknowledging that the team requested review of medical records to prove no wrong doing of the team in the handling of TW's head growth situation?  And that once the Redskins requested this, TW immediately shut it down.  

 

I blame the guy for being a ****ing liar and a ****.  So he can toss the organization under the bus and when they request a review to clear their names, he shuts it down because he knows it would only prove he was lying, and that's ok with you?  Don't confuse my stance on TW being a ****ing **** with defending the FO, cause that isn't so.  

 

Curious, are you transitioning to be TW's partner to have his man babies?  Cause you all over that guy's jock.

F this organization!  It's the worst run in professional team sports!

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6 hours ago, mistertim said:

This FO is masterful at creating situations where nobody wins.

 

 

Quote of the thread right there lol...

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League rules allow teams to decide whether they want to pay players on the non-football injury list. Considering Williams held out for five months before returning to the team last week and has essentially vowed to never play for Washington again, the Redskins could select not to pay him, keeping him from collecting any of his $10.8 million base salary for 2019.

 

The Redskins did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Williams should still get credit for this season toward fulfilling his contractual obligation to the Redskins. That's an important consideration because the primary reason he came back right before the Oct. 29 trade deadline was to ensure this year would be counted under his contract. It means he will have one year left under the deal after this season, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent after the 2020 season.

 
 

According to a person with knowledge of the situation, the Redskins will let the NFL decide whether this season should be counted under Williams’s contract. The Redskins conceivably could attempt to toll Williams’s contract and have it cover the 2020 and 2021 seasons instead of this season and next season. Williams and the NFL Players Association could challenge such an attempt.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/11/07/redskins-place-trent-williams-non-football-injury-list-meaning-he-wont-play/

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8 hours ago, nonniey said:

Whether Trent is a douche bag or not is rather irrelevant is it not? Question is is the team run well? The answer is, not only is it not run well, it has to be considered to be the most inept and toxic ran organization in all of sports. You know it, and the rest of the world knows it (and has for some time). Frankly if I'm Chase Young or anyone else that would be picked in the top 10 I'd tell the Redskins don't draft me because I'm not going to play for them. 

If Bruce is still here, I hope that’s exactly what happens.

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Here is an excerpt form Mike Jones USA interview with Williams today.   Snyder flew him to Houston to get a second opinion so that is why he did not bad mouth

Snyder with the interview he did a few days ago.  This article says Snyder had to deal with cancer before (I think his wife had cancer) so he was empathetic with Williams

situation.   Here are the direct quotes:

 

In January 2019, Williams had a biopsy of the growth. He said he received a call while at the Pro Bowl informing him that it was indeed cancer. At that point, according to Williams , Redskins owner Daniel Snyder flew him on a private jet to Chicago for an examination, to his hometown of Houston for a second opinion and then back to Chicago for surgery. 

 
Williams said he was told the cancer cells were weeks away from penetrating his skull.
 

“It was a scary situation,” he said of being diagnosed with Dermatofibrosarcoma Protuberans, a soft-tissue sarcoma that develops in the deep layers of skin.

Williams told USA TODAY Sports the dismissive nature with which Allen reacted to the matter soured him on the franchise. Although Snyder, himself a cancer survivor, had been supportive, Allen’s response and the team doctors' misdiagnosis — coupled with a long track record of medical mishaps, including repeated setbacks and post-surgery infections and/or corrective surgeries of McCoy, quarterback Alex Smith and running back Derrius Guice — prompted Williams to request a trade. 

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Even before the Washington Redskins officially ruled out Trent Williams on Thursday for the rest of the 2019 season, the schism between the player and team had been widening.

 

The Redskins’ request for a third-party investigation into the medical care of the left tackle only further damaged the already fractured relationship between the two sides. The seven-time Pro Bowl left tackle, who on Thursday was placed on the season-ending reserve/non-football injury list by the franchise, said the move and ongoing media leaks have only validated his beliefs that he can’t trust his employers.

“If I felt like they were genuine, I’d be all for it,” Williams told USA TODAY Sports. “They’re not doing it to find out what went wrong. They’re doing it to cover their butts.

 

"Mine isn’t the only situation they got wrong. There are a lot of situations they could have looked into. Why didn’t they do it before now? Why didn’t they do it in (quarterback) Colt (McCoy’s) case? And they keep putting out these false reports. That’s never helpful. I just feel like regardless of what the findings of the investigation are, they’re going to try to find a way to paint me negatively and make themselves look better.”

 

Redskins general manager Bruce Allen did not immediately respond to a request from USA TODAY Sports on Williams' allegations.

Williams spoke to USA TODAY Sports prior to Thursday's move—though he later said he was surprised by the decision—but he cited a deep dissatisfaction with the franchise as well as uncertainty about his future.

Williams stayed away from the organization for months dating back to spring because he no longer trusts team doctors and officials, he said. He maintains he asked team doctors numerous times in the last six years about a growth on his head and told them he feared that it was cancerous. Doctors repeatedly classified the growth as a cyst, Williams said. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, CowboyKillerz said:

Soooo.... Are they looking for ABs helmet to fit the guy and put his ass to work yet or wtf?!

There are currently 31 others helmets that would fit him :ph34r:

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Williams also said he thought recent leaks and stories about him were planted by the organization, out of a desire to make him look greedy. He acknowledges there were talks about a new contract at one point, but that wasn’t the reason for his unhappiness.

“I had a lot of anger about my situation,” Williams said. “I felt like they could have worked something out if they really wanted me. But the breaking point was how things played out with my health and how I felt like I was mistreated. I put this organization first for so long, but they never took it seriously, and I do stand for something, and I felt like it’s not just a stand for me, but for future players as well. Because let’s be honest, they’ve got a bad track record.”

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/08/trent-williams-the-bridge-has-definitely-been-burned/

 

 

 

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Well, Williams trade value went from falling to swan diving in the last few hours. 

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14 minutes ago, rumplestilskin said:

I wonder if Trents two suspensions for substance abuse was putting the team first.

I wonder why he declined to have the union and NFL investigate his medical records and is worried about other stuff coming out?  There is no

other reason for backing off the Redskins investigation request to the NFL.  If he wants to make Allen look bad, then you agree to comply with the investigation.

If you say the doctors got other players injuries wrong too, then why would you not want to help them too by agreeing to do the investigation?

Something smells rotten in Denmark.

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Man, someone needs to tell Trent to stop talking...he's being reactionary and doing himself no favors.

 

"The Redskins’ request for a third-party investigation into the medical care of the left tackle only further damaged the already fractured relationship between the two sides.

The seven-time Pro Bowl left tackle...said the move...only validated his beliefs that he can’t trust his employers.

 

“If I felt like they were genuine, I’d be all for it,” Williams told USA TODAY Sports. “They’re not doing it to find out what went wrong. They’re doing it to cover their butts."

 

The Redskins' reasons for requesting the 3rd party review are one million percent irrelevant. That's the whole point of an independent 3rd-party review, not to mention it's in the CBA that the players' representatives agreed to. I feel like Trent doesn't understand how these 3rd party independent reviews work and what they're meant to achieve, and that the players union who has had his back in all this will be part of the review process.

 

Not to mention, I thought he didn't want to take part in it because he didn't want to relive the experience and feared having his medical records made public. At least that's what tge NFLPA said on his behalf. Now?...Now he's saying he'd gladly take part in the review but he feels the Redskins' motives aren't sincere. No mention of the pain of reliving the experience....no mention of worrying his private medical records will be leaked.

 

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"Williams stayed away from the organization for months dating back to spring because he no longer trusts team doctors and officials, he said. He maintains he asked team doctors numerous times in the last six years about a growth on his head and told them he feared that it was cancerous.

 

[...]Williams said in 2016, three years after he claimed he first raised the issue, he asked team doctors to send him to a dermatologist but was again told that the growth was a cyst."

 

That would line up with Casserly's timeline of 3 years ago. However, later he also acknowledges that the doctors DID make appointments for him to see a specialist lol....case in point:

 

"The talk about me missing appointments? I’ll tell you what it was. It was scheduled for a Thursday, and I went on a Friday. I just had gotten it off by a day, one time.”

 

 

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"In 2017, he said, he asked doctors while scheduling knee surgery if they could remove the growth since he would be sedated, but “they said it wasn’t that serious.” The following year, he again asked about the removal of the growth during two separate procedures (one on his thumb and another on his knee), he said, but was told to wait for the offseason."

 

I could very well be wrong here, but I was thinking that when you're going under for surgery, the surgeons don't say "Welp, since he's under anyway what else can we work on?" lol...they may do that when the additional work is in the same location as the surgery--like cleaning up something from a previous surgery in a player's right knee when they're operating on his right knee anyway. But two different types of surgery at two completely different locations on his body?...That might also require two separate surgeons? I don't think that's how it works. But again, I could very well be wrong.

 

There is soooooo much in his interview with Jones that doesn't help him at all--not gonna address it all--but Trent's been shooting himself in the foot a few times since returning to the Skins. Someone needs to point this out to him and come up with a better strategy.

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Here's more from it for those who don't want to pull the whole article

 

...Williams told USA TODAY Sports the dismissive nature with which Allen reacted to the matter soured him on the franchise. Although Snyder, himself a cancer survivor, had been supportive, Allen’s response and the team doctors' misdiagnosis — coupled with a long track record of medical mishaps, including repeated setbacks and post-surgery infections and/or corrective surgeries of McCoy, quarterback

 

Alex Smith and running back Derrius Guice — prompted Williams to request a trade. 

The Redskins were reluctant to meet those demands. The organization did not trade him at last week's deadline, so Williams reported to team headquarters to avoid losing an accrued season toward free agency. However, he has yet to step foot on the field after not passing a physical because his helmet caused discomfort at the area from where his tumor was removed.

 

Williams said he believes Allen was behind the many media reports that linked his dissatisfaction with the team to his contract status while downplaying the medical concerns or pinning blame on him for missteps. When former Redskins general manager and current NFL Network analyst Charley Casserly relayed the same school of thinking last week, Williams’ frustrations were renewed. 

 

“They started putting poison pills out there, that it was just about the money," Williams said. "The talk about me missing appointments? I’ll tell you what it was. It was scheduled for a Thursday, and I went on a Friday. I just had gotten it off by a day, one time.”

 

Casserly had no comment when asked by USA TODAY Sports about Williams' remark.

 

Williams doesn’t deny that he asked for a contract extension early this offseason. He told USA TODAY Sports that at one point he engaged Allen in a two-hour conversation about his contract.

 

“I knew I was coming up on a year with no guaranteed money, and I wanted to open the conversation about them making me a Redskin for the rest of my career,” Williams said. “I understand that either a team wants the player and will extend him, or they’ll send him somewhere so they can get some value for him. I told Bruce, ‘I understand that we’re in a rebuild and if you don’t want to dump any more money in the O-line, I’d like to go somewhere that I’m wanted.’ I still felt like I’ve got 5-6 more healthy years left of quality football.”

 

Williams said Allen denied his request. People familiar with the Redskins’ thinking, speaking to USA TODAY Sports on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the situation, say that the team brass held that this past offseason — with two years still remaining on his contract — wasn’t the time for an extension. 

 

“I had a lot of anger about my situation," Williams said. "I felt like they could have worked something out if they really wanted me. But the breaking point was how things played out with my health and how I felt like I was mistreated. I put this organization first for so long, but they never took it seriously, and I do stand for something, and I felt like it’s not just a stand for me, but for future players as well. Because let’s be honest, they’ve got a bad track record.”

 

Williams maintained silence throughout the offseason, and his agent also declined to answer calls, voicemails and text messages left by media members, according to the offensive tackle. But Williams said that was by design. 

 

“I felt like things could have been resolved, but then the Redskins resorted to the blame game,” he said. “I stayed quiet about the situation because I want to maintain that level of respect. But there were some details coming out that only a couple people knew.”

Even before the Redskins officially closed the door on a potential return Thursday, Williams said he felt the team's actions had caused irreparable harm.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/redskins/2019/11/08/trent-williams-washington-redskins-cancer-bruce-allen/2517544001/

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10 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

Yeah I'm kinda confused too. How exactly is not getting paid at all for the season, and possibly not even having this season count towards his contract a win for Trent? He didn't get traded so he still has to keep dealing with the same (****ty) organization and the same (super ****ty) people. And he didn't get a new contract with more guaranteed money like he may have been looking for either. 

 

This whole situation is awful, and the FO ****ed up big time by not just trading him for a high pick some time ago after it was obvious that he wasn't going to play here anymore, but Trent didn't exactly make out like a bandit either. This FO is masterful at creating situations where nobody wins. All Bruce's petty ass seems to care about is feeling like he "won" in these battles where he appears to take everything personally. 

 

Bruce is winning because we are blaming this on Bruce rather that Dan, as long as Bruce can draw fire Dan will employ Bruce so Bruce is winning.

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It doesn’t even matter who is at fault for this at this point...

 

He should have been moved while he had value.

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Just now, Veryoldschool said:

 

Bruce is winning because we are blaming this on Bruce rather that Dan, as long as Bruce can draw fire Dan will employ Bruce so Bruce is winning.

 

Even if so, Dan is the loser because too many of the fan base believe that the future of the team is entrusted to a dude that is both dislikable and incompetent -- IMO Bruce is a part of the fan unrest and poor attendance.  So Dan isn't winning anything if Bruce is just some innocent carrying out his orders.  I don't see Dan getting a pass for anything.  If Bruce is just purely Dan's shied -- Dan's losing too.  The organization is hitting now lows -- and Dan isn't escaping the wrath.  

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1 minute ago, KDawg said:

It doesn’t even matter who is at fault for this at this point...

 

He should have been moved while he had value.

 

Yeah, but he wasn't...so--and I'm not aiming this towards you but in general since this keeps being said: I'm not exactly sure why continuing to point this out is better than discussing what's going on now and what's being revealed now.

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7 minutes ago, KDawg said:

It doesn’t even matter who is at fault for this at this point...

 

He should have been moved while he had value.

 

I agree as for the he said-he said stuff.  Both sides lose big.  

 

Trent has a wasted year and lost a lot of money and his health issues and explanation of it are national topics for better or worse.

 

Redskins lose because they likely get less compensation for him, they clearly have players in that locker room who back Trent so that isn't hot as for team chemistry, and they have added drama to a season that already has plenty.

 

Hey at least we will likely have something to talk about when football season is over (at least the Redskins season) in January-February, etc.  I am guessing this soap opera extends past the season because we will have another round of trade him and to whom?

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4 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

 

Yeah, but he wasn't...so--and I'm not aiming this towards you but in general since this keeps being said: I'm not exactly sure why continuing to point this out is better than discussing what's going on now and what's being revealed now.


Because it’s a black mark on an already horrendous GM tenure. I’m not talking about absolute current events. I’m talking about the franchise. 
 

The team lost because of Allen’s ego.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, KDawg said:

It doesn’t even matter who is at fault for this at this point...

 

He should have been moved while he had value.

 

Starting to feel like we'll just release him next season and get nothing. Comp pick? Do we even get one if the player hasn't played a snap? 

 

Or maybe we'll Champ Bailey; package Williams+first round pick for something dumb. 

 

Twice now this franchise has taken one of their best assets and gotten stuck in this bizarre situation where the entire universe knows the player will never play for the Redskins again significantly lowering their trade value. 

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9 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

 

Yeah, but he wasn't...so--and I'm not aiming this towards you but in general since this keeps being said: I'm not exactly sure why continuing to point this out is better than discussing what's going on now and what's being revealed now.

This is the cruxt of why it is past time to fire Allen. 

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What an ugly situation...I wish nothing but the best for trent health wise...as far as him as a player here, it was fun having him...I imagine something's gotta give with this..allen gets fired?..please lord?

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