Larry Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: like that the GOP is just making up that "you need a quid pro quo" Oh yeah? According to.......who?what? "No collusion". "You can't have obstruction without another crime." "The Hastert Rule." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 What happened to the GOP? It's truly unbelievable and depressing. I would like a nice moderate conservative option -- to balance the scales if nothing else -- and instead we just have a bunch of crazies at worst, bootlickers at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 A+ tweet. Would read again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Cooked Crack said: Willing to bet we've already heard more than half of them. (Although, granted, I'm willing to bet we've been hearing these same talking points, for three years.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just saw that 😂 hey, we didn’t mean to send you our talking points. Could you pretty please send them back unread. P.S. please delete the attachments marked signed confessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Hooper said: What happened to the GOP? Successfully achieving their goals. This is what the GOP wants America to be. They've spent 40 years building this infrastructure, precisely so they could use it, in exactly this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mammajamma Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Hooper said: What happened to the GOP? It's truly unbelievable and depressing. I would like a nice moderate conservative option -- to balance the scales if nothing else -- and instead we just have a bunch of crazies at worst, bootlickers at best. the political spectrum over the last few decades have moved wildly to the right. where establishment dems became centrists to not appear biased, and far-right moved from ultra-conservative to alt-right neo nazis. its funny seeing people like bernie, or warren, or AOC being labeled as extreme leftists, when they actually just represent the democrat platform gotta hand it to the GOP, they did a great job moving the spectrum so much. but lies, bad policies, and even worse politicians can only help you for so long before it catches up like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Quote Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump FollowFollow @realDonaldTrump More I am currently at the United Nations representing our Country, but have authorized the release tomorrow of the complete, fully declassified and unredacted transcript of my phone conversation with President Zelensky of Ukraine.... Just based on this tweet alone, the media should first, be questioning why Trump did not deliver on this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, mammajamma said: gotta hand it to the GOP, they did a great job moving the spectrum so much. but lies and bad policies can only help you for so long before it catches up like this All we need to know about the utter ineffectiveness of the Dems messaging, combined with a complicit media, is that after Obama was elected, the Tea Party aka "extreme right wingers" managed to get themselves embedded into the GOP. They were viewed as "too far right" for about a month, and then that narrative stopped and they were just accepted as mainstream GOP. Recently they have morphed into the "Freedom Caucus" Compare that to the treatment by the media and punditry to folks on the left such as "the squad" where they are accused of being a sign of the end times. There is very little that gets you deemed too far right wing to be electable in this country outside of CA/NY and even certain districts in CA will still elect total tools like Devin Nunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Momma There Goes That Man Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Anybody catch a GOP Senator on msnbc saying if the votes were anonymous they would have 30 votes to remove him from office? **** them. All that does is confirm they are terrified of his base and are putting party and power over their country and the law. I mean we already knew it but still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said: I would love to believe that but I have no faith in the American people and I also don't think Elizabeth Warren will be able to overcome the Trump/ GOP fear machine. If there's anyone in American politics right now that is truly FOR the majority of Americans, it's THAT woman. She's the anti-Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Everyone stand back! Susan Collins is concerned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Important question #1 for Susan Collins: - How do we spin this one, fellas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: All we need to know about the utter ineffectiveness of the Dems messaging, combined with a complicit media, is that after Obama was elected, the Tea Party aka "extreme right wingers" managed to get themselves embedded into the GOP. They were viewed as "too far right" for about a month, and then that narrative stopped and they were just accepted as mainstream GOP. The reason they’re ineffective compared to the right wing media is because they haven’t decided that brainwashing is an acceptable practice. Dems just don’t have the stomach for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: Everyone stand back! Susan Collins is concerned! And she will be concerned. Until it's time to actually vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superozman Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, Hooper said: I would like a nice moderate conservative option -- to balance the scales if nothing else -- and instead we just have a bunch of crazies at worst, bootlickers at best. From my point of view and reading what moderate conservatives are saying is that (this was before today) if trump asked Ukraine to look into Biden, it's a bad look, bad thing, etc. If there was a quid pro quo - impeachable for certain. If its not QPQ, then i'm not necessarily sure that many republicans would get on board with it - as there of course is the political game with the base & voters. Me personally if the Democrats feel confident they have enough, then go do it. But, it very well can end up if the impeachment does not go through (Not sure if proper term), will that be an awful look on Dems and some of those in between voters end up voting for Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 48 minutes ago, Hooper said: I would like a nice moderate conservative option Hillary voter, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: Important question #1 for Susan Collins: - How do we spin this one, fellas? Or, how can I play this to make it look like I'm vexed, but really roll over when it matters most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, superozman said: From my point of view and reading what moderate conservatives are saying is that (this was before today) if trump asked Ukraine to look into Biden, it's a bad look, bad thing, etc. If there was a quid pro quo - impeachable for certain. If its not QPQ, then i'm not necessarily sure that many republicans would get on board with it - as there of course is the political game with the base & voters. A man is drowning. A lifeguard arrives, with a rwscue ring, ready to toss. Donald Trump stops him, takes the ring, stands on the edge of the pool with the ring in his hands, and asks the drowning man for a favor. (A favor which is illegal for Trump to ask for, at all.) "Moderate conservative" talking point. "Well, as long as he did not explicitly state that he was blocking this ring from being given to the man unless the man did what he wanted, . . . " (In the press release which he just wrote, to try to cover himself.) Show me someone who is claiming that what Trump did is OK as long as he did not explicitly state coercion, and I'll show you someone who places his political party above his own honesty. A person who is knowingly telling a lie, to defend a person who's been caught red-handed abusing the office of the President, n the commission of a crime. (Because said President is a Republican.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 My guess is that Rudy was caught on tape saying Ukraine needs to investigate Biden’s kid or they don’t get the money. Trump and the rest of the GOP will try to make him the fall guy. Should be a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Those looking for a moderate conservative candidate shouldn't have stayed home in 2016. Hillary was your candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superozman Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Larry said: "Moderate conservative" talking point. "Well, as long as he did not explicitly state that he was blocking this ring from being given to the man unless the man did what he wanted, . . . " (In the press release which he just wrote, to try to cover himself.) I get where you are going with the analogy, but in the end if those who want impeachment feel that this can be proven and not defensed, then lets get the impeachment inquiry going. In the end, is the evidence strong enough for 2/3s of the senate to say guilty. and with 53-45-2 make up in the senate, I would think you want a very strong case for 67 guilty votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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