redskins59 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Northam and Fairfax need to resign ASAP. Not good for the party at all. What if Fairfax resigns but Northam does not? Total disaster. The black dude resigns, but not the White dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 32 minutes ago, tshile said: @PleaseBlitz yeah I get that. i also get that it’s wholly inappropriate for an outgoing elected rep, leaving due to scandal, to appoint their own replacement. Which is exactly what you’re plan is. If republicans were doing this id probably have a problem with it too. I honestly can’t make up my mind and I’m a VA resident that voted in that election straight dem ticket. I actually made a mistake in my last response. My original post involved Gov and Lt Gov. I didn’t do anything with the AG because, as of now, it looks like he is going to retain the support of the Virginia Black Caucus (based on the fact that his ****up was long ago and his actions as AG have been very progressive) and be okay. But I don’t want him elevated to Gov either, if I had my way. Either way, it probably doesn’t get to Kirk Cox. 16 minutes ago, redskins59 said: Northam and Fairfax need to resign ASAP. Not good for the party at all. What if Fairfax resigns but Northam does not? Total disaster. The black dude resigns, but not the White dude. Well the black guy committed rape, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 I'm setting the over/under on days it takes for Kirk Cox to have blackface photos or rape allegations surface at 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 This state will turn into North Carolina if the Republicans somehow manage to steal the leadership away from the Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 No way Northam resigns right now and nor should he. It would be chaos. The state and the party need leadership and stability at the moment...BADLY. I’d be welcome to revisit the situation once the Fairfax allegations shake out...which will probably happen fairly quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 This country deserves better. We have a terrible man in the White House and we have some straight garbage men running my home state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 My thoughts... Fairfax needs to go. Northam, probably not. He's a doofus though. I mean, come on VA. How did you elect this guy? If they both resign, whoever is third in line is the governor. Sorry friends, you don't get to calvinball this **** just because it'd be a different political party. If you remember, that's why we don't like the GOP... because they do **** like excuse rape & racism for political gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 I get what @tshile is saying. To tell if something is right, ask yourself if the other side did it, would that be okay. If GOP appointed a successor before having to resign amid scandal that would rub me the wrong way. But there is one key difference there..... The GOP is corrupt as **** and anything they do should automatically be considered wrong until proven otherwise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: I mean, come on VA. How did you elect this guy? You should look up the other guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: My thoughts... Fairfax needs to go. Northam, probably not. He's a doofus though. I mean, come on VA. How did you elect this guy? His opponent was not-quite-openly racist. 17 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: If they both resign, whoever is third in line is the governor. Sorry friends, you don't get to calvinball this **** just because it'd be a different political party. If you remember, that's why we don't like the GOP... because they do **** like excuse rape & racism for political gain. It wouldnt be Calvinball, in that the rules aren’t changing. Gerald Ford appointed a new VP (Nelson Rockefeller) when he assumed the presidency. Same concept. This also isnt excusing rape & racism, it is the opposite. In this scenario, all the rapists and racists get kicked TF out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 We’ve now set a dangerous precedent. Lives and careers are able to be destroyed by simple accusations without the accuser ever having to file formally and have to face the system. Some me may think it’s a win for the me too movement. But I think it’s a disaster. Justin Fairfax May very well be completely innocent. But it no longer matters. And he’ll never have the chance to formally confront his accuser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: His opponent was not-quite-openly racist. And the opposing LT governor ran an entire campaign on “I’m just like trump” there wasnt time to find yearbook photos of blackface There was a serious contest over the identity of the state (sane vs insane) going on and yes the dope that wore black face and posed next to a kkk dress up (or didn’t?) and thought moonwalking would lighten the mood at the press conference about it was the correct candidate to vote for. Northam was by all accounts an unexciting but qualified candidate that would do well by the state. Had we known that then Va would have had very different leadership. Maybe they wouldn’t have had a giant racist and rape scandal but it would have been bad for the state policy wise. Very bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 This was Stewart running for senate last year, but he said the same garbage running for lt governor the year before Quote “I’m going to be the president’s number-one partner in the Senate,” Stewart said. “I'm willing to be the bruiser – twisting arms, knocking heads and ridiculing other senators in order to pressure them to getting the president’s agenda through ... To do whatever it takes.” We basically were asked whether we wanted Trump’s minions to run our state after watching trump as president for a year the answer was “**** no” it just so happens that timing made northam the beneficiary of it had it been a normal race I’m not sure northam wins, but that wasn’t the conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: We’ve now set a dangerous precedent. Lives and careers are able to be destroyed by simple accusations without the accuser ever having to file formally and have to face the system. Some me may think it’s a win for the me too movement. But I think it’s a disaster. Justin Fairfax May very well be completely innocent. But it no longer matters. And he’ll never have the chance to formally confront his accuser. I agree that this sets an uncomfortable precedent. Unfortunately, the precedent it is replacing is worse. The flipside to this coin has been, for decades or longer: man rapes woman, woman speaks up, woman isnt believed and is ostracized, women learn not to speak up, men learn they can rape women. We are in that uncomfortable period where the equities are being rebalanced, but we don’t have it right yet. So, very unfortunately and unfairly, some innocent men are gonna get hemmed up along with the actual bad guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 4 hours ago, visionary said: Jesus Christ! The facebook messages can't be contemporaneous because facebook didn't exist till 2004. I'm guessing the emails will come out. Did I live in some alternate universe? In 2000, you tell multiple friends that you were raped and not one person reported it to the police? WTF? And why on holy hell did these accusers not report this during the freaking primaries or the election?!?! I agree with @Kilmer17. I don't want politicians of either party removed from office based on accusations alone. We need a full and thorough investigation (which is what I called for in Kavanaugh situation). Then the legislature can decide on impeachment based on the uncovered evidence. 5 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: We are in that uncomfortable period where the equities are being rebalanced, but we don’t have it right yet. So, very unfortunately and unfairly, some innocent men are gonna get hemmed up along with the actual bad guys. That's not acceptable and it should not be those binary choices. And it need not be, especially for public officials. Impeachment process exists. Legislatures can subpoena and investigate. If the dems come away with the lesson from Kavanaugh that we must believe and act on credible accusations, that is a horrendous lesson. The correct response is a thorough investigation, not declaring the innocence or guilt based on accusations and denials alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PleaseBlitz Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, bearrock said: That's not acceptable and it should not be those binary choices. And it need not be, especially for public officials. Impeachment process exists. Legislatures can subpoena and investigate. If the dems come away with the lesson from Kavanaugh that we must believe and act on credible accusations, that is a horrendous lesson. The correct response is a thorough investigation, not declaring the innocence or guilt based on accusations and denials alone. In agree and thats what i meant by not having it right yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, visionary said: I need some better caliber statement from an aspiring POTUS. Not to say I don't believe Dr. Tyson, but what exactly was the corroboration for her accusation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, bearrock said: I need some better caliber statement from an aspiring POTUS. Not to say I don't believe Dr. Tyson, but what exactly was the corroboration for her accusation? Couldn’t, using this burden of proof, Fairfax prance out some frat brother that claims Fairfax never raped anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said: So, very unfortunately and unfairly, some innocent men are gonna get hemmed up along with the actual bad guys. It's easy to call it a few broken eggs. Until you're one of those eggs. (I have been.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, visionary said: But only a woman of color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 minute ago, tshile said: But only a woman of color. They are clearly the most virtuous and the only correct option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, tshile said: But only a woman of color. Because of the two types of scandals.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, tshile said: But only a woman of color. Not like that would be racist or sexist or anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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