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2018 Free Agency Database - (Signed: WILLIAMS - McPhee - Scandrick - P-Rich) - (Lauvao, Bergstrom, Nsehke, Taylor, Z. Brown and Quick re-signed)

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1 minute ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I like Brown and want to keep him, but I do feel we overrate him as an overall player because of how bad that position has been since London left.  I don't see how what he did here really changes his situation any from a free agency perspective.  He was a sure tackler that can make up ground and stop the run before he got here.  Yet we ended up with him for under 3M late in free agency.  I can't see his deal exceeding 6M per season.  I think he's the first guy the team resigns.    

The man led the league in tackles for the majority of the season, including a couple of weeks that he was out injured. Being the best ILB we've had since London Fletcher isn't a slight, it is a fact. We saw Mason Foster + Will Compton in 2016 and it was awful. We saw Mason Foster + Zach Brown and it was fantastic. With all the extra costs we'll have elsewhere and no better options in free agency to pursue, there's a reason why fans aren't thrilled with the idea of pinching pennies and risking another season of Will Compton level LBs.

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Just now, NickyJ said:

The man led the league in tackles for the majority of the season, including a couple of weeks that he was out injured. Being the best ILB we've had since London Fletcher isn't a slight, it is a fact. We saw Mason Foster + Will Compton in 2016 and it was awful. We saw Mason Foster + Zach Brown and it was fantastic. With all the extra costs we'll have elsewhere and no better options in free agency to pursue, there's a reason why fans aren't thrilled with the idea of pinching pennies and risking another season of Will Compton level LBs.

 

It wasn't meant as a slight. My point was that he was pretty damn good before he got here and we got him cheap late in free agency.  I'm not sure why all the sudden a team would pay anywhere near 10M for a MLB that's not Luke Keichly.  

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1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I like Brown and want to keep him, but I do feel we overrate him as an overall player because of how bad that position has been since London left.  I don't see how what he did here really changes his situation any from a free agency perspective.  He was a sure tackler that can make up ground and stop the run before he got here.  Yet we ended up with him for under 3M late in free agency.  I can't see his deal exceeding 6M per season.  I think he's the first guy the team resigns.    

Oh really??? So no to a "fair" market deal. Shouldn't he expect to make a lil more million more than the last ilber made? 

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6 hours ago, TheShredSkinz said:

Oh really??? So no to a "fair" market deal. Shouldn't he expect to make a lil more million more than the last ilber made? 

 

Yeah, if the market for ILB's was remotely the same as it is for QBs. But it's not and it never will be.

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I was a big Zach Brown guy on the FA thread last year before we signed him.  Still, I don't see him as a 10 million guy.  He's a stud against the run and decent A gap blitzer.  But he's a lost puppy often in the passing game.  I'd say 7 million a year or so, maybe 8.

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ZB wanted 6m/year last offseason.  Couldn't get it.  Got about 100% raise from us when we signed him.  He's proven he's worth more but not at 10m/year.  Kuechly averages ~12m/year.  Here're what the top ILBs get (courtesy of OverTheCap.com).

 

Player Team Total 
Value
Avg./Year Total 
Guaranteed
Avg. 
Guar./Year
% Guar. Free 
Agency
Luke Kuechly Panthers $61,795,295 $12,359,059 $27,000,000 $5,400,000 43.7% 2022 UFA
Bobby Wagner Seahawks $43,000,000 $10,750,000 $8,977,427 $2,244,357 20.9% 2020 UFA
Alec Ogletree Rams $42,000,000 $10,500,000 $18,907,529 $4,726,882 45.0% 2022 UFA
Mark Barron Rams $45,000,000 $9,000,000 $15,000,000 $3,000,000 33.3% 2021 UFA
Brian Cushing Texans $52,500,000 $8,750,000 $21,000,000 $3,500,000 40.0% 2020 UFA
Brandon Marshall Broncos $32,000,000 $8,000,000 $15,053,000 $3,763,250 47.0% 2021 UFA
Danny Trevathan Bears $28,000,000 $7,000,000 $13,500,000 $3,375,000 48.2% 2020 UFA
Derrick Johnson Chiefs $10,250,000 $5,125,000 $2,000,000 $1,000,000 19.5% 2018 Void
Paul Posluszny Jaguars $15,000,000 $5,000,000 $4,450,000 $1,483,333 29.7% 2018 UFA
Kevin Minter Bengals $4,250,000 $4,250,000 $2,100,000 $2,100,000 49.4% 2018 UFA

 

It's arguable he's a top 10 ILB from looking at that list.  I'd pay him what he was looking for last year (6m/year), maybe a bit more.  Perhaps get him on a LTD along with a decent signing bonus if that's what'll float his boat.  Doing so could lower his 2018 cap hit - the savings of which we may need to spend elsewhere.

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It makes me laugh how the Kirkers want the Redskins to gve Kirk whatever the "market" demands but expect every other player we should keep to take a "less than market" deal to stay, LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

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2 minutes ago, skinsOLfan said:

It makes me laugh how the Kirkers want the Redskins to gve Kirk whatever the "market" demands but expect every other player we should keep to take a "less than market" deal to stay, LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Actually, I'm saying Brown's market wont be what some of you project it to be.  Because he's an ILB and that market is nothing like QB for a variety of reasons that's I'm sure escape you.

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Watching the Jags and their starting LG is a free agent would solve our LG problem and he shouldn't t be super expensive.

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Battered fan my "market value" comment wasn't directed at you but those that want to lowball everyone except Kirk Cousins.

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I just hope the lines are improved. Time and time again you see the good teams with the good lines on both side. Lets start with Norwell from the Panthers on O and Sheldon Richardson from the Hawks. That would be a great start to FA.

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1 hour ago, skinsOLfan said:

It makes me laugh how the Kirkers want the Redskins to gve Kirk whatever the "market" demands but expect every other player we should keep to take a "less than market" deal to stay, LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Take this (utter nonsense and total strawman, to be frank) to the right thread. I’m seeing the terrible habit of turning every thread into a QB discussion rearing its ugly head, lately. 

 

So not only did you do that, you’re fortunate this post isn’t penalized for baiting/trolling: 

 

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6 minutes ago, fordranger76 said:

 Lets start with Norwell from the Panthers

 

The current Giants GM signed this guy off the street for the Panthers. If Norwell moves to another team, I have a hard time not seeing that new team being the Giants, sadly.

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1 hour ago, skinsOLfan said:

It makes me laugh how the Kirkers want the Redskins to gve Kirk whatever the "market" demands but expect every other player we should keep to take a "less than market" deal to stay, LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Good point if we’re thinking realistically. We’ve been known to pay/keep the wrong people and let go the ones we should have kept. 

 

Edit: I should add, I’m okay with letting many of our guys go because we’ve been in need of a complete rebuild for decades. I think Brown was very good but if he can get more money elsewhere, he should take it

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2 hours ago, skinsOLfan said:

 

Battered fan my "market value" comment wasn't directed at you but those that want to lowball everyone except Kirk Cousins.

I haven't seen anyone say to lowball anyone.  The market is different for every position for various reasons, with supply and demand being number one.  

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40 minutes ago, TheShredSkinz said:

Jeff Janis wr Green Bay

Eli Rogers """  Pittsburgh

 

Lets try to get a wr from a team good at developing them.

 

We don't need more 3rd receivers, we ened a #1 WR

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5 minutes ago, skinfan2k said:

 

We don't need more 3rd receivers, we ened a #1 WR

 

we need Doctson to become a 1 and then to get a 2. 

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I am constantly surprised by what prices players end up getting, but it seems remarkable that right after Telvin Smith got 11 mil a year and Mark Barron 9 mil per, that Zach Brown would have trouble getting 7. 

 

But again, I often have no idea how this stuff is gonna turn out.

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1 hour ago, skinfan2k said:

 

We don't need more 3rd receivers, we ened a #1 WR

We're gonna have to chance that unheralded guys can become blues for us. 

 

And at ilber, guys like Preston Brown, Avery Williamson, Christian Jones , Demario Davis, Anthony Hitchens, Bostic, Tank Carder, etc should probably be looked at for around 2-3 mill per yr.

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1 hour ago, TheShredSkinz said:

Jeff Janis wr Green Bay

Eli Rogers """  Pittsburgh

 

Lets try to get a wr from a team good at developing them.

Didn't we get ARE  from the Steelers?

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16 minutes ago, gooseneck said:

Looks like Cousins is going to have some competition in the free agent market

Please tell me you don't mean Foles. I don't want you to be the third person in an hour I have to tell that Foles isn't a Free Agent.

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2 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Please tell me you don't mean Foles.

 

I think he means QBs like Keenum, Alex Smith, or Brees.

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2 minutes ago, SAli457180 said:

 

I think he means QBs like Keenum, Alex Smith, or Brees.

Keenum, maybe.  Seriously doubt the Chiefs cut Smith (unless I missed some news), or the Saints let Brees hit FA.  

 

I like Smith from a talent standpoint, but I’ve done a 180 there - paying a guy 17mil for a year, plus giving up an early draft pick, plus possibly using our 1st  round pick on qb is just not worth it to me.  

 

Would be nice to have a good idea just how much cap space we’re going to have to work with.  

 

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