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14 hours ago, China said:

Uvalde Hires Private Law Firm to Argue It Doesn’t Have to Release School Shooting Public Records

 

Some of the records relating to the Robb Elementary School shooting could be “highly embarrassing,” involve “emotional/mental distress,” and are “not of legitimate concern to the public,” the lawyers argued.

 

The City of Uvalde and its police department are working with a private law firm to prevent the release of nearly any record related to the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in which 19 children and two teachers died, according to a letter obtained by Motherboard in response to a series of public information requests we made. The public records Uvalde is trying to suppress include body camera footage, photos, 911 calls, emails, text messages, criminal records, and more.

 

“The City has not voluntarily released any information to a member of the public,” the city’s lawyer, Cynthia Trevino, who works for the private law firm Denton Navarro Rocha Bernal & Zech, wrote in a letter to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. The city wrote the letter asking Paxton for a determination about what information it is required to release to the public, which is standard practice in Texas. Paxton's office will eventually rule which of the city's arguments have merit and will determine which, if any, public records it is required to release.

 

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Bull****. Is highly embarrassing a euphemism for incriminating?

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Deputy: 2 officers had chance to shoot Uvalde school gunman

 

Two Uvalde city police officers passed up a fleeting chance to shoot a gunman outside Robb Elementary School before he went on to kill 21 people inside the school, a senior sheriff's deputy told The New York Times.

 

That would mean a second missed opportunity for officers to stop Salvador Ramos before the May 24 rampage inside the school that killed 19 children and two teachers. Officials said that a school district police drove past Ramos without seeing him in the school parking lot.

 

The unidentified officers, one of whom was armed with an AR-15-style rifle, said they feared hitting children playing in the line of fire outside the school, Chief Deputy Ricardo Rios of nearby Zavalla County told the newspaper.

 

The officers' chance of stopping Ramos passed quickly, perhaps in seconds, Rios said.

 

Messages from The Associated Press to Rios and the Zavala County Sheriff's Office have not been returned. The Zavala County sheriff's officials responded to the shooting in support of Uvalde and Uvalde County officers.

 

Rios said he had shared the information with a special Test House committee investigating the school massacre.

 

Uvalde police officials agreed Friday to speak to the committee investigating, according to a Republican lawmaker leading the probe who had begun to publicly question why the officers were not cooperating sooner. 

 

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I assume they had to get together and get their stories straight before they were willing to cooperate, hence the delay.

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1 minute ago, Llevron said:


That’s the rumor. Apparently one of them said it over the radio or something. 

 

No, they just announced very early that all victims were shot by the shooter.

 

.... kinda a wtf... who else ****ing shot them?

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1 hour ago, purbeast said:

The only "good" (if you can call it that) from all of this news coming out is that it 1000000% shuts up the whole "good guy with a gun" agenda that is being pushed by the gun nuitters.

Nope. We just need even more good guys with guns.

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8 hours ago, Mooka said:

 

No, they just announced very early that all victims were shot by the shooter.

 

.... kinda a wtf... who else ****ing shot them?

 

I don't care about what they announced anymore.

 

They should give us the final report of actually happened or DOJ should rip it out of them.

 

Their Police Chief resisting that comes across as suspicious AF, and if he wants to end that speculation, give us the final report.  It's not complicated unless they want to make it complicated.

 

There's part of me that says DOJ should jus investigate now in case that local police department is in the process of "cooking books" on their response to the shooting.

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25 minutes ago, The Almighty Buzz said:

 

You two were insinuating that there is none such thing as a good gut with a gun or a responsible gun owner.  I believe both of those statements are false.

"a good gut" with a gun really sucks.  Proofread.

But I totally get your point.

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2 hours ago, The Almighty Buzz said:

 

You two were insinuating that there is none such thing as a good gut with a gun or a responsible gun owner.  I believe both of those statements are false.

 

“An oxymoron can be used as a rhetorical device to illustrate a rhetorical point or to reveal a paradox.”

 

Then couldn’t it be considered true? What is inherently responsible about owning a firearm? Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it false. 
 

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2 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

There are responsible gun owners. There are good people who own guns.

 

As someone who is extremely unhappy with the current state of affairs, I would prefer that other people who, like me, are also advocating for reformed gun control policy, not sound quite so ridiculous.


It does make conversation (and thus, political support/power) much more difficult when y’all make it sound like there are no responsible gun owners. That’s just bull****, and it doesn’t help us in any measurable way. 

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New body armor rules in New York miss the vest worn by the Buffalo killer

 

New York's new law barring sales of bullet-resistant vests to most civilians doesn't cover the type of armor worn by the gunman who killed 10 people at a Buffalo supermarket, a gap that could limit its effectiveness in deterring future military-style assaults.

 

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