PleaseBlitz Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I think just about all of the big names running (or likely to run) could beat Trump, except Bernie. Trump is not broadly popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 A Wall Street Journal Poll showing Americans overwhelmingly favor capitalism. Of course it does. Would anyone expect otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Trump is beatable by any of the main Dem challengers. It just comes down to can the Dems campaign with a clear consistent message for how they plan on helping the American people. Everything is going to be labeled socialism so they need to have an answer for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 hours ago, twa said: Pretty sure all of them are, or they wouldn't need help. I should have said phony Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Dangerous territory assuming anyone can beat Trump. Better recognize Trump is the favorite by a large margin before the denial leads you to his 2nd term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force1958 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: Trump is beatable by any of the main Dem challengers. It just comes down to can the Dems campaign with a clear consistent message for how they plan on helping the American people. Everything is going to be labeled socialism so they need to have an answer for that. If the majority of the Dem challengers continue with the socialist craziness Trump won't have a problem winning re-election. I haven't heard any answers by leadership, only veiled acknowledgement. I thought at one point Pelosi was going to address AOC re the Green New Deal but it didn't happen. It'll be interesting to see if any of the Dem candidates change their position as the months go on. 7 minutes ago, Mooka said: Dangerous territory assuming anyone can beat Trump. Better recognize Trump is the favorite by a large margin before the denial leads you to his 2nd term. 2016 proved that with most of the major networks and polling sites predicting Hillary would win. The silent majority is out there, watching and waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCB Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Good thing the majority of the Dems have nothing to do with socialism then. Enjoy your $ being redistributed to the mega-rich, which apparently Americans have been brainwashed to believe is freedom and Jesus on white bread. Morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Good thing the Democratic part of Democratic Socialism is always conveniently left out. Not surprising since democracy has been forgotten about by so many in this country. People screaming about the "evils of socialism" tho while a authoritarian already occupies the White House sounds right. A billionaire puppet president is good for the rich. Taxes on the wealthy while providing more entitlements for working people and spending on public works projects not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I've been watching David Pakman lately (hubby's choice, Free Speech TV, 10pm weeknights). Progressive, pretty smart guy. His opinion is that it's gonna come down to turnout for the dems. (And no shenanigans by the repubs, but we know there's gonna be some. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Eventually even the electoral college can't protect the GOP. Their base is shrinking with every Boomers death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Force1958 said: If the majority of the Dem challengers continue with the socialist craziness Trump won't have a problem winning re-election. I haven't heard any answers by leadership, only veiled acknowledgement. I thought at one point Pelosi was going to address AOC re the Green New Deal but it didn't happen. It'll be interesting to see if any of the Dem candidates change their position as the months go on. 2016 proved that with most of the major networks and polling sites predicting Hillary would win. The silent majority is out there, watching and waiting. How come the silent majority, whatever that means, had fewer overall votes? Does that make it the silent minority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Pretty interesting interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 10 hours ago, Force1958 said: If the majority of the Dem challengers continue with the socialist craziness Trump won't have a problem winning re-election. I haven't heard any answers by leadership, only veiled acknowledgement. I thought at one point Pelosi was going to address AOC re the Green New Deal but it didn't happen. It'll be interesting to see if any of the Dem candidates change their position as the months go on. 2016 proved that with most of the major networks and polling sites predicting Hillary would win. The silent majority is out there, watching and waiting. Welcome back Forcy. Silent Majority? Trump won 46.1% of Popular Vote Clinton won 48.2% Everyone else won 5.7% Also, turnout was only 55.7% of eligible voters. That's not a silent majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Numbers lie, Trump won’t. Eat it you smelly lib. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force1958 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Hersh said: How come the silent majority, whatever that means, had fewer overall votes? Does that make it the silent minority? Silent majority just means those that don't announce or proclaim they're for Trump and just sit back and only come out during the election. They may even go so far as to say they're for another person just to avoid the "perceived" criticism. They're also the majority because of the way the electoral college is setup with Trump states carrying the most votes. If they do change away from the electoral college it'll just mean the candidates will campaign differently. I've read about that hybrid deal, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact and that could impact what happens in 2020. All I know is the polls in 2016 all showed Hillary winning and it looked good for her early on in the election, but then they came out. I'm not sure I can trust polls moving forward as long as Trump is involved in an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force1958 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said: Welcome back Forcy. Silent Majority? Trump won 46.1% of Popular Vote Clinton won 48.2% Everyone else won 5.7% Also, turnout was only 55.7% of eligible voters. That's not a silent majority. Thanks, glad to be back. Jumbo and I had a chat about everything and we're cool now. I responded to somebody else about the silent majority wording a few mins ago. What I'm getting at is based on how the electoral college is setup now. A lot of the Trump supporters do not admit it to anybody, friends, family, and especially to somebody they don't know who's asking questions. As evidenced by the polls leading up to the election in 2016, they stayed hidden until the day of the actual election. In my original comment I should have said "the silent majority as it relates to the electoral college". Trump would have campaigned differently if we'd have used the popular vote to decide the President back in 2016 (and not the EC) and I believe he would have still won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skintime Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 16 hours ago, Force1958 said: If the majority of the Dem challengers continue with the socialist craziness Trump won't have a problem winning re-election. I haven't heard any answers by leadership, only veiled acknowledgement. I thought at one point Pelosi was going to address AOC re the Green New Deal but it didn't happen. It'll be interesting to see if any of the Dem candidates change their position as the months go on. 2016 proved that with most of the major networks and polling sites predicting Hillary would win. The silent majority is out there, watching and waiting. How is their a majority when he lost the popular vote by 3 million plus? Never mind I see you just answered that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force1958 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Just now, Skintime said: How is their a majority when he lost the popular vote by 3 million plus? Hahaha, I just responded to 2 others explaining why, see above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skintime Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Just now, Force1958 said: Hahaha, I just responded to 2 others explaining why, see above. Yeah I saw after I responded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Anyone who thinks Trump doesn't have a strong chance to win again is crazy. With the freezing of Congressional seats at 435 since 1911 it has diluted the value of a vote in the most populous states and increased the value in less populous states. Thats why we are now seeing electoral wins that don't win the popular vote more often. It's a big hole in the system that favors Trumps wheelhouse of voters. So it's gonna be tight either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 8 hours ago, visionary said: Pretty interesting interview. I dont know about him, but I do agree with this. For me, the Democratic candidate who actually tries to use their power and carry a big stick in order to structurally change this country to help the middle class and poor, to help the oppressed and disenfranchised, will get my vote during the primaries. Dems been taking Ls because they are scared to use their power. Republicans have no problems with that. And I am talking about stuff like constitutional amendments, eliminating these pseudo-monopolies, breaking up big banks, healthcare, women's rights, etc. Big ideas and a big vision and willing to use stuff like constitutional amendments to change things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Force1958 said: A lot of the Trump supporters do not admit it to anybody, friends, family, and especially to somebody they don't know who's asking questions. There's a reason for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Force1958 said: Hahaha, I just responded to 2 others explaining why, see above. um, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. 7 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said: Welcome back Forcy. Silent Majority? Trump won 46.1% of Popular Vote Clinton won 48.2% Everyone else won 5.7% Also, turnout was only 55.7% of eligible voters. That's not a silent majority. It's absolutely bizarre. Just another illustration of facts not mattering at all to some Trump supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Where was the silent majority in November when GOP candidates collectively managed 44% of the nationwide vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Where was the silent majority in November when GOP candidates collectively managed 44% of the nationwide vote? They only care about Trump. Everyone else in Congress is essentially a rino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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