tshile Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 37 minutes ago, Dan T. said: It occurs to me that Amy and Pete dropping out might hasten Barack Obama's endorsement of Joe Biden. This is the best thought on the subject I’ve read all day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PeterMP Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said: No it isn't. From his own thesis paragraph: I'm done re-litigating this. The author's (false) premise is obvious and it's nothing to do with 'Bernie's health care plan is slightly left of Sweden's.' Way to ignore the first sentence: "Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) says that his proposals “are not radical,” pointing again and again to countries in Northern Europe such as Denmark, Sweden and Norway as examples of the kind of economic system he wants to bring to the United States. " Even compared to countries in Northern Europe, Sanders plans, including his healthcare plan, are far left i.e. radical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 He's doing a Fox News Townhall...today? Is he running as a third party in the general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ* Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Well, I said the other day I would rather have Chuck Todd fired to move Nicole Wallace closer to a prime-time slot but it looks like there's an opening at 7PM now. I hope they give it to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, Llevron said: I get he didn’t directly say that Bernie was going to kill him. But he wasn’t that far off. I feel like it was pretty clear what he was saying. It’s not much different than the Limbaugh “just asking the question” deal where he says would Bernie do that?? I could be reading way into it I guess. He definitely didn’t flat out say Bernie would shoot him so obviously I’m reading something into it. I don’t think it’s fair though. And if I was the person he was talking about, I sure wouldnt. Not if one politician is good for their share holders while the next isn’t. Ultimately what you are saying is they prioritize what makes them the most money and their coverage is slanted in that way. This is Bernie’s argument. Im not saying it’s wrong. I’m saying it’s true and there is nothing wrong with saying it out loud if it’s true. I don’t feel like we disagree here. He didn't say Bernie's supporters were going to kill him or anybody. He didn't say anybody that is living in the US today as a socialist might kill anybody. He's talking about his recollection of socialist from the 1950s. The problem is you only think about it in terms of taxes and not clicks. What makes them the most money is what gets the highest ratings and most views, most clicks etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rufus T Firefly Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, PeterMP said: Way to ignore the first sentence: "Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) says that his proposals “are not radical,” pointing again and again to countries in Northern Europe such as Denmark, Sweden and Norway as examples of the kind of economic system he wants to bring to the United States. " Wow is that a ridiculous response. I didn't ignore anything, the part you quote relies completely on the part I quoted. There was no reason to include it, which is why I didn't. A case he tried to make with highly misleading, or completely false claims. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bearrock Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said: Which, back to the original point, not anything about a plan to "eliminate all billionaires". Tack on the 52% income tax rate, no more reduced tax rate or deferral for capital gains, and 77% inheritance tax (with no step up in basis), I think you can pretty much guarantee that all billionaires will be eliminated at some point down the road (perhaps there will be a few exceptions where there are business genuises across multiple generations). Which, of course assumes no avoidance. It does seem a bit odd to factor in avoidance in evaluating whether Sanders has such an aim. He wants people to avoid his taxes? He's proposing a plan he expects to be circumvented? You can evaluate whether his aim would be successful, but it's clear what his aim is. You are seeing drastic reduction of wealth for some of the most successful billionaires in the US. Some people down to 1/10th of their current worth. And that's from the effect of wealth tax alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 minute ago, PeterMP said: The problem is you only think about it in terms of taxes and not clicks. What makes them the most money is what gets the highest ratings and most views, most clicks etc. Thats a good point and a good observation. I hadn’t really thought about that. So you are saying they are generating revenue by talking about him - negative or positive doesn’t matter. Right? And that that doesn’t imply bias itself. I cant really argue that without pointing to the way many of them speak about him. But in the end that can be explained away by my interpretation just like above. If you can listen to the Matthews clip I posted and tell me it doesn’t have any implicit bias against Bernie showing in it, than I really don’t know how to argue my point with you. I still feel the the way I felt when we started, but I don’t really feel I can call you wrong either now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Llevron said: My entire ire point is that the media IS biased against him and they have shown as much. No they have not. And neither have you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rufus T Firefly Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, bearrock said: Tack on the 52% income tax rate, no more reduced tax rate or deferral for capital gains, and 77% inheritance tax (with no step up in basis), I think you can pretty much guarantee that all billionaires will be eliminated at some point down the road (perhaps there will be a few exceptions where there are business genuises across multiple generations). Which, of course assumes no avoidance. It does seem a bit odd to factor in avoidance in evaluating whether Sanders has such an aim. He wants people to avoid his taxes? He's proposing a plan he expects to be circumvented? You can evaluate whether his aim would be successful, but it's clear what his aim is. You are seeing drastic reduction of wealth for some of the most successful billionaires in the US. Some people down to 1/10th of their current worth. And that's from the effect of wealth tax alone. I'm still waiting for an explanation of how a guy who has said nothing about a plan to eliminate all billionaires and who's plan wouldn't eliminate billionaires is so obviously planning to eliminate all billionaires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Llevron Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Larry said: No they have not. And neither have you. Thanks Larry. Appreciate you chiming in lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Joe grabbed Pete by the shoulders when Pete endorsed him...I couldn't help but laugh & say, "Him, too?" 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Pete is endorsing him now live on tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Rufus T Firefly said: I'm still waiting for an explanation of how a guy who has said nothing about a plan to eliminate all billionaires and who's plan wouldn't eliminate billionaires is so obviously planning to eliminate all billionaires. A man who said billionaires shouldn't exists puts out a plan with four items that has a drastic effect on billionaires. Just one of those items reduces the net worth of the most successful billionaires in the US by as much as almost 90%. So if you think adding on the remaining three items would not go all the way and eliminate the billionaires, fine. I disagree. But I don't need Sanders to spell out that eliminating billionaires is his plan when the clear effect of his tax plan will make that the obvious result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Biden is building alliances and coalitions, which is hard-wired into him as a Senator and a candidate. Sanders is building no alliances and promising his supporters he will “destroy the establishment”...which is hard-wired into him as a Senator and candidate. If Biden reels him in, the reason will be as obvious as the nose on your face. And it ain’t the media... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Biden sounds a little exhausted or sick. Maybe he's just very emotional at the moment. Very touching moment though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, bearrock said: A man who said billionaires shouldn't exists puts out a plan with four items that has a drastic effect on billionaires. Just one of those items reduces the net worth of the most successful billionaires in the US by as much as almost 90% Could you mention which proposal it is of Bernie's, that does that? (Or if you're talking about somebody else, please specify whom, and answer?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Bernie on Anderson Cooper's show now on CNN, attacking "The Establishment" in response to the Biden endorsements. His response to Trump's tweets talking about a coup was nice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Moderates last stand, giving them credit for this approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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