visionary Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: that just doesn’t make sense to me. “I have no worthwhile ideas or plans to actually progress this country forward but I’m not Trump so vote for me and eventually I’ll hand it off to people that actually do have a vision for the country” How is this supposed to be a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, visionary said: We do still have to live with them and many of us have Trump supporters in our family.... These people have always existed, and it has less to do with policy than it does to weakness. They respond to power, and that’s all that matters. You go up there with some limp plan to heal the damn nation, you are just going to be a laughing stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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visionary Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 These polls tend to under represent Biden in the last couple states. Might be different in Maine, but we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, visionary said: Scarecrows Not my intent but that’s how I interpret what you said the feel was with Biden. His pitch is taking the country back and he will lean on progressives in the coming years. I mean look at his platform, his debates, his speeches. He isn’t selling a grand vision for the country. It’s resetting the clock to before Trump when Republicans will magically jump for joy at the chance to compromise with Democrats on legislation, judges, budgets etc as if he wasn’t even in the Obama WH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: Not my intent but that’s how I interpret what you said the feel was with Biden. His pitch is taking the country back and he will lean on progressives in the coming years. I mean look at his platform, his debates, his speeches. He isn’t selling a grand vision for the country. It’s resetting the clock to before Trump when Republicans will magically jump for joy at the chance to compromise with Democrats on legislation, judges, budgets etc as if he wasn’t even in the Obama WH The election pitch is to bring us all together, but that doesn't mean they're going to ignore or forget what those in power have been doing or how untrustworthy the GOP and McConnell have been. Even if Biden wants to work with the GOP, he will have advisers who actually do a lot of the behind the scenes stuff who will know what to do to get things passed and they will have very few illusions about how much they can trust the GOP. But if people think Bernie can somehow get this stuff done instead while going to war with his own party, the right, and the middle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 If Sanders is the nominee, we will see what happens. I'm in the column that a majority don't want the type of change Sanders wants to bring and that's why he will lose in a possible landslide and bring the entire Dem ticket with him. That will give GOP full control and Trump a false mandate to do whatever he wants to do in his 2nd term. Finish he dismantling of the U.S. government. Sanders believes he will have a his revolution. All the disaffected will rise up and give him his win and he will remake the country into his Democratic Socialist paradise. We will find out in 8 months. IT's literally 8 months until election day. If Biden becomes president, I would prefer to use him only to defeat Trump. I would prefer he resign on Jan. 21 and let his Veep be president. That isn't going to happen. I'd let Biden have 2 years to do whatever he wants to do as President. Then in 2023, resign and let his Veep become President. Resign late enough in 2023; so the Veep can run for a full 2 terms on their own. If Trump wasn't the GOP nominee, I would be voting my usual 3rd party. Who knows, maybe some miracle happens and Trump isn't on the ballot on 11/3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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88Comrade2000 Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 Bernie would be one term president, if he won. I doubt he really will be able to get anything he really wants passed; especially if the GOP retains the Senate. In 2022, the GOP would win big in the midterms and then stifle anything Bernie wants. If Bernie has a full Dem congress, he might be able to get some small stuff done. I don't think he would be able to get his big stuff, like MFA done; even with Dem congress. Until progressives are a majority, they will not get much of their agenda passed. That majority isn't happening in 2020; even if Bernie does win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nerm Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, bearrock said: The historical roi for the uber wealthy is 6.6% from 1982-2018. I extrapolated 7.76% roi pretax (based on 15% effective tax rate). After 52% in taxes, that's little less than 4%. That's lower than 5-8% wealth tax. I agree with you on the wealth tax being doomed to failure, and not being able to deliver the revenue that people want. That's why countries that try it tend to recognize the mistake and repeal it. In addition to the mathematical formulas being discussed, there is the very basic concept that wealthy people tend to invest their money with an understanding of risk and reward. So, for an investment to make sense, there has to be an expectation that the after tax reward makes the risk in investing worth it. The flaw with wealth taxes is that people start making investment decisions based on the idea of protecting what they have, rather than growing what they have. That reduces the ammount that the wealthy accumulate, while also eliminating the jobs and opportunities that would have been created by their investment. It is a lose lose scenario,which is why countries that try it tend to repeal it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Generally you say you disagree, not the other person in your party is wrong...but it's nice of him to tell them not to boo. Disturbing that booing seems to be a typical thing for them in response to other candidates though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry.Randolphe Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I didn't hate Bernie before, but his policies and fanboys make me think of Ron Paul fanatics. I'm hoping everyone rallies around Biden. He's not my pick (Warren is), but I will gladly vote for him if it means getting Trump out of office and we can go back to some sort of normalcy for a couple of years repairing all the damage he has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedskinsFan44 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 5 hours ago, China said: Interesting. After perusing the last few pages of this thread, the primary candidates being discussed were Sanders and Biden, with a couple about Bloomberg. Not until the last two posts did I see anything about Warren. If this thread reflects the thinking of this country then Warren and Bloomberg will be done soon. In this thread, at least, Biden seems to be surging. The stream of endorsements is sucking all of the oxygen out of the room for Warren and Bloomberg. This seems like a well timed and coordinated effort. I would like to see Bloomberg humiliated and have him drop out today. The notion that you could buy the nomination with advertising alone is unsettling. Warren not doing better than Bernie requires some soul searching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 so, lets say Bernie pulls off today, what is the DNC's plan going forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I bet Hillary's had an assassination team on retainer for four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 5 hours ago, visionary said: Generally you say you disagree, not the other person in your party is wrong...but it's nice of him to tell them not to boo. Disturbing that booing seems to be a typical thing for them in response to other candidates though. This is two presidential elections in a row we are seeing this. I dont like it either, having said that, if it happens a third time, it begs the question of whether its us now and how much future candidates can control it. If its jus a populism thing, hopefully stuff comes back to earth. Trump took the top off what's normal, I'm not sure what normal is anymore until we see the next presidential to compare. I agree its not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Renegade7 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Simmsy said: so, lets say Bernie pulls off today, what is the DNC's plan going forward? Practice what they preach and get behind the nominee. The alternative isnt worth it. Got voting out the way early jus now. I dont like making decisions I cant live with, but honestly, I hope I dont regret this one, I could be wrong. Negatives- names on the ballot for people that dropped out months ago, like Booker. I jus dont ****ing understand it, and I refuse to accept they cant figure this out. Also names not in alphabetical order by first or last name. Bernies name was third, Bloomberg was last, so the ballot looked a hot mess. Positives- it was a paper ballot and heard a click-punched when system took it. It was scantron, so imagine it did a count then had the ballots locked in the machine, love it. Also, very efficient even with a line first thing in the am, plenty of tables to sit down and fill it out and jus scan and leave. Plus no one outside begging for us to vote for their person. No exit polls. Solid, efficient experience, caucuses can kick rocks on broken glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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88Comrade2000 Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Simmsy said: so, lets say Bernie pulls off today, what is the DNC's plan going forward? You already know that. They are going to rally to Biden. The only way the DNC will accept Bernie is if he earns the delegates he needs to get the nomination. If he goes into the convention with just a plurality, they aren’t necessarily going to give it to him. There’s going to Be pressure on Warren and Bloomberg to drop out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Renegade7 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Watching local news, 15 candidates on the ballot in Virginia today, only 5 are still running. Seriously, wtf democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Watching local news, 15 candidates on the ballot in Virginia today, only 5 are still running. Seriously, wtf democracy? You do know in many cases the ballots are printed early on; so that’s why long since departed candidates are still on the ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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