Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread

[Mooka]

1 minute ago, TryTheBeal! said:

I wonder if “the media” will perpetrate another convention walkout?

 

Every dip**** Bernie Bro who voted third party was a defacto vote for Trump and that was understood as such at the time it was cast.

 

3+ million Democrats voted for Donald Trump.

 

35% of Democrats didn't vote.

 

These people aren't dip****s?

[NoCalMike]

Well it's like that puzzling video posted above, the one lady said she is a conservative......supported Bernie, would have voted for Bernie had he been on the ticket, but voted for Trump...........as a joke........because she didn't like Hillary?   I have a hard time seeing making the jump from Bernie to Trump.   

 

The lengths that some people will go to, to avoid admitting they simply got duped by a con man the way millions of others did.

[The Evil Genius]

According to the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (around 50k surveyed), 1 in 8 (the headline wasn't corrected) Bernie primary voters voted for Trump in the election. Nearly none of the HRC primary voters defected. 

 

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

 

So the question is, were there a lot of hardljne conservatives voting for Bernie in the primary (and then going home when he lost). Or was it something else entirely?

 

https://cces.gov.harvard.edu

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7ec1404a949f

[TradeTheBeal!]

5 minutes ago, Mooka said:

 

3+ million Democrats voted for Donald Trump.

 

35% of Democrats didn't vote.

 

These people aren't dip****s?

 

Maybe they were upset because “the media” told them that Hillary stole the nomination?

[Mooka]

That dumb lady represents the bottom 10% of Bernie Sanders voters.

 

I don't sit here and claim the Democrats are the party of their dumbest 10%. That's for the Repiblicans. 

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18 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

Well it's like that puzzling video posted above, the one lady said she is a conservative......supported Bernie, would have voted for Bernie had he been on the ticket, but voted for Trump...........as a joke........because she didn't like Hillary?   I have a hard time seeing making the jump from Bernie to Trump.   

 

 

12% of Bernie voters went for trump. I understand it. They were both outsiders in some sense. 

[Mooka]

13 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said:

According to the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (around 50k surveyed), 1 in 8 (the headline wasn't corrected) Bernie primary voters voted for Trump in the election. Nearly none of the HRC primary voters defected. 

 

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

 

So the question is, were there a lot of hardljne conservatives voting for Bernie in the primary (and then going home when he lost). Or was it something else entirely?

 

https://cces.gov.harvard.edu

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7ec1404a949f

 

The 12% is a little higher then CNN; had it near 10%.

 

Republicans were Bernie Sanders voters too which creates extra Trump voters. Open primaries.

 

My point is you acknowledge the caveat section in the article. You can only say Sanders voters cost Clinton the election if you ignore the 35% of Democrats that stayed home or the 8% that also voted Trump. 

[NoCalMike]

Trump punting the healthcare issue until "after the 2020 election" seems like an even bigger gift to Democrats.  Add to the fact that he says he will "reveal his plans after the election."

 

If the Dems don't pounce on the healthcare issue, and hard..............ugh.

[Simmsy]

1 hour ago, NoCalMike said:

Trump punting the healthcare issue until "after the 2020 election" seems like an even bigger gift to Democrats.  Add to the fact that he says he will "reveal his plans after the election."

 

If the Dems don't pounce on the healthcare issue, and hard..............ugh.

They realize that health care is the key to winning elections. Hell, even the GOP realize that now, but I think they're too little, too late.

[88Comrade2000]

3 hours ago, Mooka said:

 

Because Trump.

 

And it'll be your fault when he wins again because you were busy squabbling over Democrat or whatever.

 

Starting to see the hypocrisy yet?

Bernie could well get the nomination but there's no way he becomes president.  For whatever voters Bernie brings out, he will lose about the same amount.  Those people will either vote for Trump, vote third party and more likely not even vote.  Bernie is the nominee and odds are Trump wins in landslide.   Bernie hasn't even gone through a real vetting.  I don't know if the Dems will do that but Trump and the GOP will eviscerate him. 

[88Comrade2000]

Blood is in the water/air.   You can already see it with Biden.  The Dem race is going to nasty.  Desperate candidates to make a mark, will start going low.  Others seeing a rival that can be knocked out. The Democratic Hunger games are starting.  Biden maybe the first causality. 

[twa]

16 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Blood is in the water/air.   You can already see it with Biden.  The Dem race is going to nasty.  Desperate candidates to make a mark, will start going low.  Others seeing a rival that can be knocked out. The Democratic Hunger games are starting.  Biden maybe the first causality. 

 

I think that mainly the 'woke' females, any male is going to get vetted by the new guidelines.

It will get nasty otherwise though since so many think they actually have a shot.

[Simmsy]

36 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Bernie could well get the nomination but there's no way he becomes president.  For whatever voters Bernie brings out, he will lose about the same amount.  Those people will either vote for Trump, vote third party and more likely not even vote.  Bernie is the nominee and odds are Trump wins in landslide.   Bernie hasn't even gone through a real vetting.  I don't know if the Dems will do that but Trump and the GOP will eviscerate him. 

I'm going to have to disagree on that one. Sanders (according to polls) had a much higher margin of winning against Trump than Hillary did at that time. As of now, Trump is even less popular and Sanders is even more. Also, as an Independent, I believe he will have a much easier time winning over swing voters who will most likely not fall for Trump again. All Trump has is his base, his base can't get him elected.

[Larry]

1 hour ago, Simmsy said:

They realize that health care is the key to winning elections. Hell, even the GOP realize that now, . . . 

 

Last election here in Florida, every single Republican running for office ran commercials proudly announcing how they had protected people with pre-existing conditions.  

 

Every one of them was lying.  But they all thought it was important to claim it.  

 

[The Evil Genius]

37 minutes ago, Simmsy said:

I'm going to have to disagree on that one. Sanders (according to polls) had a much higher margin of winning against Trump than Hillary did at that time. As of now, Trump is even less popular and Sanders is even more. Also, as an Independent, I believe he will have a much easier time winning over swing voters who will most likely not fall for Trump again. All Trump has is his base, his base can't get him elected.

 

Which polls?

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I'd tend to put Sanders much further left than most of the people running this time (and way further left than HRC). Not sure why or how that appeals to swing voters (who be definition should fall squarely in the center moderate area).

[bearrock]

Sanders had far superior appeal to the blue collar Dems and independent than Hillary, whom Hillary lost enough of during the general to swing the midwest and the election to Trump.

 

Liberal or moderate, Dems have to pick someone who can appeal to the working class as well (the fact that one of the most liberal senator from Vermont can do it means it's not just an issue of political ideology).

 

Aa for dems and Bernie bros who voted for Trump and the dems that stayed home, they are all dip****s (actually lets also include anyone who voted for Trump, how about that?).  No need to pick just one.

[Simmsy]

15 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said:

 

Which polls?

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I'd tend to put Sanders much further left than most of the people running this time (and way further left than HRC). Not sure why or how that appeals to swing voters (who be definition should fall squarely in the center moderate area).

The reason why so many didn't want Clinton is because she's seen as a corporate dem/centrist. There is a strong progressive movement growing in the DNP, the midterm elections is proof of that. Progressive policies are very popular with Americans as a whole, Trump can't push these policies. He can try and pretend to fix health care all he wants, but do what the people want would alienate his base and the GOP. Hell, just saying, or lying, about fixing health care to what the people want could do him in with his base.

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[88Comrade2000]

2 hours ago, Simmsy said:

I'm going to have to disagree on that one. Sanders (according to polls) had a much higher margin of winning against Trump than Hillary did at that time. As of now, Trump is even less popular and Sanders is even more. Also, as an Independent, I believe he will have a much easier time winning over swing voters who will most likely not fall for Trump again. All Trump has is his base, his base can't get him elected.

Trump and the GOP are going to pound "Socialists/Socialism" until we are all blue in the face.  If the Socialist Bernie Sanders is the nominee, he will be crushed. This country in 2020, especially against Trump; will not vote a Socialist as President.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

This is why it doesn’t pay to get in the mid with trump. He has no shame. He’s criticizing Biden for the same thing he bragged about doing and worse. 

 

Seriously **** this guy 

[Captain Wiggles]

49 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Trump and the GOP are going to pound "Socialists/Socialism" until we are all blue in the face.  If the Socialist Bernie Sanders is the nominee, he will be crushed. This country in 2020, especially against Trump; will not vote a Socialist as President.

 

News flash. They're going to do that no matter who the nominee is.

[Cooked Crack]

6 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

Trump punting the healthcare issue until "after the 2020 election" seems like an even bigger gift to Democrats.  Add to the fact that he says he will "reveal his plans after the election."

Trump's got you, fam.