Fixing the The United States Democratic Party

[@DCGoldPants]

Inspired by LD0506 for those who believe the Dems/Liberals/Progressives/whatever have a better chance at doing right by Americans.......but can't get out of their own way to make it happen.

 

48 minutes ago, LD0506 said:

Yep, you're right, the Republicans have been incredibly shortsighted, greedy and venal, pandering at every opportunity and using anything to serve their own ends. You won't find me giving them the slightest shred of credit, but where were the ****ing Dems? You remember, the ones that were supposed to stand up to these assholes, the ones that were supposed to look out for the little guy??!? They have largely gone along with this masquerade as long as they got a piece of the action. As far as I'm concerned the Rs are exactly what they've always been, I am not surprised in the least at anything that's happened so far. They may be more open about it but it ain't nothin new, they have always been the toadying tools of the monied class and haven't shown a flicker of a soul since Eisenhower put an acceptable face on their mob. But goddammit where are the Truman-esque democrats that have the balls to call em out for their ****? There simply don't seem to be any.

 

 

[TradeTheBeal!]

Step One:  Cut ties with Anthony Weiner.

[@DCGoldPants]

Nice. I'll collect my rants and update the top post later today. 

[AsburySkinsFan]

Some thoughts in no particular order:

Stop being the limp reed blown in tbe wind by EVERY fad cause.

Find REAL solutions that don't add bureaucracy, government spending, and taxes.

Increasing taxes is not the ONLY answer. Stop counting everyone else's money all the damn time.

Business owners are NOT the enemy (well not all). So stop being monumental nay-sayers every time a business wants to do something.

Do something that ACTUALLY lowers health care costs rather than just trying to devise a plan to pay for skyrocketing costs! HELLOO!!

How about some balanced thinking? Rather than Markism and PeTA.

Get aggressive, stop being wimps...oh and Pelosi and Reid...retire plz.

Stop making white males the enemy. Diversity means all of us...and all means all.

Recognize that the majority of the country is in the middle spectrum.

Understand that life "out here" is different than life in NYC and SanFran. 

Come up with REAL ideas to encourage entrepreneurship and then give them thr space to flourish or fail.

Stop treating religion as the enemy. You will only alienate the majority of voters. But at the same time, don't try and co-opt religion or sell out to zealots.

Incentivize corporate tax cuts by tying them directly to job creation.

[Bang]

Maybe stop listening to Republicans who tell you it's broken.

 

When confronted with the dirty pool they're playing, the answer is not to look at what you're doing wrong, when what they're doing is SO wrong. 

You can't combat propaganda that has had an effect like it has,, not in the ballot box anyway.. history has shown it takes a lot of blood when things get to the point where the Nazis are comfortable walking around in public screaming Nazi rhetoric.

Likewise the answer is not to resort to the same bull**** propaganda tactics the right has, including, but not limited to, selling the nation out to foreign interests.

The democrats did stand up to them, and got shouted down, and those who are confused are convinced by lies to vote against the best interests of the country, so they can sneer down at their nose and pretend it isn't their fault.

The third party never does serve a single bit of good, except to get the wrong people elected. It is no longer a viable alternative, as we see right now, with a potential despot controlling the country and spinning it into the toilet, while our greatest enemy laughs his ****ing head off at having convinced nearly half this country that they are better than their own countrymen.

They say the truth will set you free,, and that is true, except when so many absolutely resist truth, and in fact see truth as a threat.

the DNC doesn't need to be 'fixed'.. the RNC does, in a big way.

 

And they won't change without blood.

~Bang

[zoony]

Everything Asbury said, but also, quit being such whiny *******.  

[@DCGoldPants]

7 minutes ago, Bang said:

 

the DNC doesn't need to be 'fixed'.. the RNC does, in a big way.

 

And they won't change without blood.

~Bang

 

Sounds like you're saying they need to fix their message and how it's delivered. That's something. 

[DogofWar1]

When you go into manufacturing towns and rural areas, don't tell them what they want to hear.

 

Tell them the simple truth.  Their "way of life" is dying if not dead, and they need to get with the ****ing program.  Donald Trump can't magically save a bunch of factory jobs where robots can do the work faster and cheaper than a human ever could.  Pack that **** up, game over.

 

Instead, we need to refocus on CONSUMER-CENTRIC ECONOMICS.

 

The beauty of consumer-centric economics is that it isn't inherently hostile to anyone.  Not the poor, not the rich, not people, not corporations.  Because the goal is to help consumers, and everyone is a consumer.  Of course, the key is to find a balance between all the competing interests.

 

Thankfully, we have a lot of data that suggests that when average people have money that growth is the strongest, as opposed to when it's concentrated.  That makes it easy, at least in the short term, help the poor and middle class.

 

Use charts to explain this.  A good 30% of the country has IQs below room temperature, they need simple visuals.  Help them understand what needs to be done.

 

Help them understand why the two extremes the GOP has offered (super pro-business and super-protectionist) have failed so spectacularly.  Help them prepare to lose their old economy job, and help them prepare to get a new economy job.

 

 

There's a whole bunch of other stuff, but first and foremost, it's the economy, stupid.

[Bang]

Just now, @SkinsGoldPants said:

 

Sounds like you're saying they need to fix their message and how it's delivered. That's something. 

Maybe, unless it's a lie and delivered like the RNC delivers it's propaganda.
That won't serve anyone..  but the party i guess.

 

If it isn't obvious, i don't see any of this ending well.. and by well, i mean peacefully.

 

~Bang

[AsburySkinsFan]

5 minutes ago, zoony said:

Everything Asbury said, but also, quit being such whiny *******.  

I have daily conversations with people escaping the East Coast because they can't lift a spade of dirt without some neighborhood nanny trying to find a revenue stream in the work being done.

Property taxes that are as high as their monthly mortgage payment.

Anti-business local policies. They just can't take it any more, so they come here and are stunned when they ask about 1% property taxes (less if you have a farm) assessments that aren't done every six months. 

They are stunned when I tell them if they want some goats or livestock then do it...no registration, no fees, no one saying you can't. 

People here want the freedom do be left alone.

[@DCGoldPants]

2 minutes ago, Bang said:

Maybe, unless it's a lie and delivered like the RNC delivers it's propaganda.
That won't serve anyone..  but the party i guess.

 

If it isn't obvious, i don't see any of this ending well.. and by well, i mean peacefully.

 

~Bang

 

No. But DogofWar touched on part of it. Don't lie. If that means starting with simple low hanging fruit solutions. Stake a claim on those and put out an easy to understand idea weekly. Own those ideas. Whining about Trump and the GOP is just emboldening those supporters. So, don't go there. Stick to the ideas with numbers that support it. 

[Warhead36]

Don't stoop down to their level or cater to the lowest common denominator. You can't beat the Repubs in their own game.

[Springfield]

Stop being whiny little ****es.

 

Make some promises, like health care to every citizen.

 

Stop being afraid that any new idea will be shouted down as socialist by idiots who don't know what socialism really is.

 

Dont be afraid to stand up to the military industrial complex.

 

Stop being whiny little ****es.

[Bang]

Oh hell no, i wasn't suggesting lying or stooping to the same tactics as a thing i'd support, ever.

 

I'm just not optimistic very much anymore. And, i am not a democrat, nor have i ever been. So i'm not even suggesting anything about the party except as an interested observer and voter. I hope for sanity, but we aren't going to get it.
 

~Bang
 

[LadySkinsFan]

Start with the last Democrat platform. There's some good stuff in there, like retraining programs and education programs, single payer healthcare system, and so on. A lot of that came from Clinton going around and listening to people's needs. It was overcome by a non-Democrat running and deflecting attention away from things that will help people. 

Get some young blood in, enthusiastic and energetic. Start running now, and run on the bait and switch the Republicans ran last time. Hold town halls, lots of them, ask people what they want, including in the rural areas. Then relate how the Democrats will help them more than the Republicans.

[No Excuses]

The issue with the Democrats primarily resides in their local grassroots efforts.

 

Since Slick Willies election in 1992, a Republican has only won the popular vote in a national election once.

 

There is a huge base of voters at their disposal that they are simply incompetent at tapping into on a consistent basis per each election cycle. And I don't think any of it really comes down to messaging.

 

They just run a lot of really bad candidates in too many places. In many places they don't even run people and leave seats uncontested. There were districts in VA in 2016, where Clinton won but the Democrats didn't even bother supporting or running local and state level candidates.

 

Ultimatley their task is to mobilize affluent liberal voters who vote on social issues and poor working class voters who support progressive economic policies. These are two decidedly different aspects of the Democrat base and it's a difficult task to craft messaging that consistently mobilizes both. But I don't think it's impossible, and the excuses are getting tiring as to why they can't organize and mobilize people who agree with their message more consistently.

[Hersh]

1 hour ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

I have daily conversations with people escaping the East Coast because they can't lift a spade of dirt without some neighborhood nanny trying to find a revenue stream in the work being done.

Property taxes that are as high as their monthly mortgage payment.

Anti-business local policies. They just can't take it any more, so they come here and are stunned when they ask about 1% property taxes (less if you have a farm) assessments that aren't done every six months. 

They are stunned when I tell them if they want some goats or livestock then do it...no registration, no fees, no one saying you can't. 

People here want the freedom do be left alone.

Before I fully push back on some of this, when you talk about anti-business local policies are you talking about specific sectors? 

[twa]

1 hour ago, Hersh said:

Before I fully push back on some of this, when you talk about anti-business local policies are you talking about specific sectors? 

 

he sounds like a rural Republican don't he?

 

 

[Hersh]

I wish the Democratic party would put forth a real, comprehensive, honest plan that deals with every issue and that they would stop being afraid of the consequences of those plans. 

Just now, twa said:

 

he sounds like a rural Republican don't he?

 

 

I think it does depend on which sector and it certainly depends on where one lives where democrats are in charge. 

[No Excuses]

1 hour ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

I have daily conversations with people escaping the East Coast because they can't lift a spade of dirt without some neighborhood nanny trying to find a revenue stream in the work being done.

Property taxes that are as high as their monthly mortgage payment.

Anti-business local policies. They just can't take it any more, so they come here and are stunned when they ask about 1% property taxes (less if you have a farm) assessments that aren't done every six months. 

They are stunned when I tell them if they want some goats or livestock then do it...no registration, no fees, no one saying you can't. 

People here want the freedom do be left alone.

 

Congrats on finding the one person who might be escaping the urban coasts to find cheap goats in the countryside.

 

"Ma, I am moving to rural Kansas to create a local startup business that will make it big!!!" - said no one ever.

 

It must be a miracle that the most rapid job growth and the core of America's economic activity is taking place in nanny-state urban liberal districts.

[TheGreatBuzz]

For some dumb reason, I'm going to throw in my thoughts.  

 

When someone who leans right agrees with something on the left, don't immediately jump on them for not agteeing with the rest of the left's platform.  Instead, encourage them.  Try to make them feel welcome and not attacked.  Thank them for having a willingness to not just blindly follow their side.

 

I say this because I was a registered Republican until a few months ago.  Even before i left them, i would often agree with some points made by the left but was still viewed as an enemy by the majority.  

 

The left needs to realize that they need more people.  Now the reason for that can be debated but it doesnt change that fact.  The left needs to figure out how to welcome people that may be pro-gun and pro smaller government but pro choice, etc.  Figure that out and the Republican Party would be crushed in no time.  

 

The are many voters out there that are ripe to be plucked away, like me, but the Left just shoots themselves in the foot instead.  Hence why I will probably register Libertarian.  I've been to several of their local meetings and never once been chastized for saying i didnt agtee with a position.  We actually just had a reasonable discussion instead.  Crazy, I know.

[Going Commando]

12 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

There is a huge base of voters at their disposal that they are simply incompetent at tapping into on a consistent basis per each election cycle. And I don't think any of it really comes down to messaging.

 

I agree with your entire post, except I do think the party has messaging problems too.  Local and state government democrats are becoming extinct outside of the coasts and big university towns.  They just aren't good at talking to middle Americans and non college educated whites.  They are defined by Republicans in these regions.

 

Republicans have successfully weaponized talk radio and cable news to be true message centers for the party and they reach these huge audiences.  For whatever reason, a Democratic version of this kind of propaganda machine has never taken off.  They have got to figure out a way to compete with Republican messaging and they need to start contesting these demos.  They need to figure out how to talk to people who don't have college degrees.

 

And it starts with listening, and yes it's going to involve pandering, AKA finding the workable common ground between diverse progressive movements/causes.  DogOfWar's suggestion is definitely not the way.  Democrats shouldn't patronize anybody, but also don't tell them their ****ing way of life is obsolete and they just need to get over it, Jesus Christ.

[AsburySkinsFan]

6 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

 

Congrats on finding the one person who might be escaping the urban coasts to find cheap goats in the countryside.

The ONE???

Are you serious?

I've made a substantial amount of money off that ONE client. It's amazing how many houses that ONE client has bought.

[Going Commando]

2 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

It must be a miracle that the most rapid job growth and the core of America's economic activity is taking place in nanny-state urban liberal districts.

 

The South is leading in population growth though.  Not necessarily in rural areas, but in Southern cities and metro areas.  Places like Greenville South Carolina.  A big part of it is the weather, but the biggest part of is cost of living.  It's too ****ing expensive in blue regions.  People want to own houses.  That is THE core ambition of the American dream.

 

And yes people do change places when they migrate in waves, so maybe a red stronghold like Southwestern South Carolina might start to turn a little purple in time.  But people also start changing to conform to the existing cultures of where they move.  People are herd animals and life generally follows the path of least resistance.  Democrats have got to start competing in the Greenvilles of America if they want to win at the national level.

[Jumbo]

i know one thing. the dems are not tired of winning. 

 

 

my first thought seeing the title was "gee, a thread like that already exists, because i started it" but it's not exactly the same, and no big anyway

 

 

my second thought was that that zoony would come in to make "whiny ****" post(s)

 

my third thought was "watch the gopers who would never dream of making a thread to self-critique their own cosmic **** show of a party be among the first to get in here to tell the dems what to do (the latter still worthwhile, though in recent times,  it's kinda like a Somali pirate lecturing a shoplifter)

 

then i have other thoughts about other stuff 

 

 

but this should be fun (maybe my comment will motivate a goper into making a gop equivalent)

 

 

i predict som(added:e idjit thinking they're clever will take that last line and say something like "we're fine, we won" more or less