The Supreme Court, and abortion.

[TheGreatBuzz]

13 hours ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

 

Great.  And we are about to move to Gilead  Missouri.

[LadySkinsFan]

2 hours ago, The Almighty Buzz said:

Great.  And we are about to move to Gilead  Missouri.

 

Gilead is about to be a region of states.

[bcl05]

The GOP is actually trying to kill women.  If women can't get prompt and appropriate care when they have an ectopic pregnancy, they will die.  This is not a rare issue.  The most generous interpretation of this bill is that the drafters are just complete morons and don't understand basic biology and anatomy and they lack the intellectual curiosity to try and learn.  That's the best case scenario.  Describing a removal of an ectopic pregnancy as an abortion is just so, so stupid.  The less generous interpretation is that they would rather women die than ever allow any reason to enter the "debate" around abortion.  

[China]

Texas Supreme Court rules against providers in abortion ban case

 

The Texas Supreme Court on Friday ruled that state officials do not have the ability to enforce the state's six-week abortion ban, effectively ending providers' case challenging the law.

Driving the news: Because the law was written so private citizens could enforce it, the court wrote, "Texas law does not grant the state-agency executives named as defendants in this case any authority to enforce the Act’s requirements, either directly or indirectly."

 

"Senate Bill 8 provides that its requirements may be enforced by a private civil action, that no state official may bring or participate as a party in any such action, that such an action is the exclusive means to enforce the requirements, and that these restrictions apply notwithstanding any other law."

The law will remain in place in the state.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[China]

18 hours ago, bcl05 said:

The GOP is actually trying to kill women.  

 

They're not even trying to be subtle about it:

 

GOP Texas lawmaker introduces bill to allow death penalty for women who have abortions

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

[LadySkinsFan]

Turning women into second class, subhumans. Next, no birth control, after that overturning the 19th Amendment giving us the right to vote. This is what radical right wing religious organizations and sects are doing to the United States. If your a man and have never read The Handmaid's Tale, I urge you to do so. Ever since I read it and understood that the ultra right was planning to do this for real (maybe not the raping of fertile women but who knows they currently promote rape culture if only to keep women under control). I see this happening now, right here in Texas. The women here have bought into this absurdity.

[China]

Can states limit abortion and gender-affirming treatments outside their borders?

 

Conservative lawmakers across the U.S. have unleashed a wave of state legislation attempting to restrict access to abortions and to gender-affirming medical care for transgender youth by allowing lawsuits to be filed against anyone who helps them.

 

But now there's a new twist in what appears to be a broader Republican strategy: Representatives in multiple states are pushing bills that would attempt to limit what residents can and can't do even beyond state lines.

 

Recently in Missouri, a state representative introduced a measure that would let people sue anyone they suspect of helping a resident get an abortion in another state.

 

More than 1,500 miles away, an Idaho bill seeking to ban gender-affirming care for youth would have made it a felony to help a child access care outside the state. While Idaho Senate leaders last week said they will not be taking up the bill — essentially killing it, for now — it was easily passed by the Republican-led Idaho House a day earlier.

 

Legal experts say these so-called bounty hunter bills are most certainly unconstitutional and have little chance of withstanding legal challenges.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

[Larry]

Can somebody explain why this "pass a law against something we don't like, but we won't enforce it, we'll let Bubba and Daisy enforce it for us" comes from?  
 

Is there some Sovereign Citizen belief that this makes the law immune from the Judicial Branch or something?  What's the advantage that the loons think they're getting?  

[LadySkinsFan]

6 hours ago, Larry said:

Can somebody explain why this "pass a law against something we don't like, but we won't enforce it, we'll let Bubba and Daisy enforce it for us" comes from?  
 

Is there some Sovereign Citizen belief that this makes the law immune from the Judicial Branch or something?  What's the advantage that the loons think they're getting?  

 

It's not government that's enforcing the law, rather it's civilians. Which sounds unConstitutional to me.

Edited March 16, 2022 by LadySkinsFan

[China]

 

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

[China]

On 3/12/2022 at 11:10 AM, China said:

 

They're not even trying to be subtle about it:

 

GOP Texas lawmaker introduces bill to allow death penalty for women who have abortions

 

In a suburban Fort Worth House runoff, Republicans debate killing women over abortion

 

Should Texas punish abortions by putting teenage girls and women to death? Or not?

 

That’s the current debate in the Republican Party of Texas, where outlawing abortion is no longer a question of “if” or “when” but a question of whether to kill women for getting one.

 

North Richland Hills Republican David Lowe swears his campaign in the May 24 runoff election has nothing to do with killing women.

 

“I’m not even a fan of the death penalty,” he told a Republican women’s club luncheon last week in downtown Fort Worth.

 

But then he went on to praise a House bill last session that would have made ending a pregnancy a potential capital crime.. In other words, Texas could kill the woman, along with anyone who encouraged her or helped. Lowe’s final comment was chilling. “Do we all agree that abortion is murder?” he asked the crowd. “Absolutely. There should be consequences for it.”

 

Of all the opponents, Lowe — an Afghanistan war veteran and longtiime Dallas County party volunteer — chose to run against District 91 state Rep. Stephanie Klick, a five-term House member from the Haltom City-North Richland Hills-Watauga district.

 

“Abolishing abortion is important, but we can do that without giving women the death penalty,” Klick told the luncheon.

 

Click on the link for the full article

 

[China]

Feds charge anti-abortion activists with 'conspiracy against rights'

 

Anti-abortion activist Lauren Handy and eight others are charged with using chains and rope to blockade the Washington Surgi-Clinic in 2020.
 

 

Click on the link for the full article

[Cooked Crack]

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/five-fetuses-found-at-home-of-anti-abortion-activist-dc-police-say-lauren-handy-jonathan-darnell-clinic/65-f4399616-16be-4e99-9951-e7d299d7e8cd

[China]

Meanwhile in Colorado...

 

As Gov. Polis signs abortion access into law, Colorado clinics brace for an influx of patients

 

With a speech and the stroke of a pen, Colorado Governor Jared Polis codified into state law access to abortions on Monday.

 

House Bill 1279, otherwise known as the Reproductive Health Equity Act, affirms access to reproductive health care rights like contraception and abortion, and it prohibits the punishment of someone who seeks one.

 

The move to pass the new law comes as many other states like Oklahoma, Texas and Idaho take steps to significantly limit the practice in their areas, while places like Kansas consider similar moves.

 

The Colorado bill signing also comes ahead of a U.S. Supreme Court decision expected later this summer that could effectively overturn Roe v. Wade.

 

Since Texas’ abortion law, SB8, went into effect on Sept. 1, Planned Parenthood reports it has seen 1,034 patients from the state travel to Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada for abortion care.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[Renegade7]

Precedent is clearly not enough to protect the rights to have an abortion in this country. 

 

A lot of folks took that for granted that it would be, but it should've and still needs to be passed and enforced at federal level via congress.

 

Make this a midterm issue, it's getting completely away from pro-choice folks right now.  SB-8 was specificly designed to be nearly impossible to challenge in court, so don't, go for the legislative jugular and make these types of laws illegal to pass in the first place.

 

Inflation had to get reprioritized and now so does pro-choice rights.

 

[China]

Oklahoma Just Passed a Straight-Up Abortion Ban

 

While the fate of Roe v. Wade hangs in the balance, Oklahoma has passed a bill to make performing an abortion a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. 

 

The bill is now headed to the desk of Republican Gov. Kevin Stitt, who has promised to sign any and all anti-abortion measures.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[China]

The Man Behind the Texas Abortion Ban Now Has an Even More Radical Plan to Reshape American Law

 

When conservative legal provocateur Jonathan Mitchell published his 2018 law review article laying the groundwork for Texas to ban most abortions, some of the ideas he outlined were so far-fetched that they read more like thought experiments than legitimate legal theories. One was that state legislatures could give private individuals, rather than government agencies, the right to enforce abortion restrictions and other controversial statutes—a “bounty hunter”-type mechanism he claimed could make such laws all but impossible to challenge through the usual legal processes.

 

Another of Mitchell’s theories was even more radical: that courts don’t have the power to strike down old laws they think are unconstitutional—for example, Texas statutes first enacted in the 1850s that made it a crime to help “procure” an abortion or furnish “the means” for it. Judges can only stop those laws from being enforced, he claimed. Unless legislators actually repeal them, America’s old laws never really die; instead, they linger in a kind of limbo, automatically springing back to life if a future court issues a new, contrary ruling. They can even be enforced retroactively, he argued. 

 

In a series of legal proceedings, threatening letters, press releases, and social media posts, Mitchell and his allies are arguing that the 1850s statutes that made it a crime to help someone get an abortion in the state—the laws overturned by Roe v. Wade in 1973—were never actually repealed and thus are still in force. And they claim that grassroots abortion funds, which raise money to help Texas patients pay for the procedure, are breaking those old laws and should be prosecuted. Ditto for ordinary citizens who’ve donated to one of those groups.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[tshile]

On 3/15/2022 at 1:30 PM, Larry said:

 

Is there some Sovereign Citizen belief that this makes the law immune from the Judicial Branch or something?  What's the advantage that the loons think they're getting?  

i believe the idea is that neither party is the government so things are (or will be) handled differently. 
 

additionally there’s some odd aspect about each case being independent (no common plaintiff/defendant)

 

The constitution is supposed to be about your rights protected from the government. 
 

my personal opinion is SCOTUS takes a “we’re not stupid” approach to such things. I recall reading opinions that basically say that 😂 

 

but. Only when they want to 

 

(this is my best guess 🤷‍♂️)

[Cooked Crack]

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The two women said that a Roman Catholic priest said Mass, and that they read aloud names that they gave to the fetuses before 110 of them were buried, with a priest present, at a location they declined to disclose. 

 

They said their lawyer then contacted the Washington police to pick up the five remaining ones, which the activists said they considered evidence of violations of federal laws, including the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, which bans certain methods to terminate pregnancies starting at 12 weeks.

 

[Simmsy]

Great! Make the GOP contradict themselves and defend this psycho.

[PleaseBlitz]

https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/04/05/lauren-handy-claims-she-actually-had-115-fetuses-in-her-apartment/

 

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Last week, DC Police found five fetuses in the home of pro-life activist Lauren Handy. During a press conference Tuesday, the pro-life group Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising claimed that figure was incomplete: Handy allegedly had 115 fetuses, including the five already in police custody.

 

The provenance of those 115 fetuses is bizarre: the group claims several activists (including Handy) encountered a driver from Curtis Bay Medical Waste Services loading biohazard boxes into his truck outside the Washington Surgi-Clinic in Foggy Bottom on March 25. They say they convinced the driver to give them a box. (A statement disputing the credibility of these claims, apparently from Curtis Bay Energy, was read by another reporter at the press conference. Curtis Bay Energy has not responded to voicemails asking for comment.)

 

After issuing a substantial trigger warning, PAAU screened a video that purports to show activists using a kitchen knife to cut into a cardboard “Curtis Bay Energy” box with a biohazard label before discovering what they claim were the 115 fetuses, most at early stages of gestation. The group said a priest came to Handy’s apartment to name and bless the babies, holding a funeral mass before burying 110 of the fetuses in an unidentified “private cemetery.”

 

The group claims that the other five fetuses were at later gestational stages, and were therefore possible evidence that Washington Surgi-Clinic had violated the federal Partial Birth Abortion Act and the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act. (After this article was published, Surgi-Clinic sent a statement that read, in part, “For more than 45 years, Washington Surgi-Clinic has been providing safe, high-quality, confidential medical care… We comply with state and federal laws.”) According to the Washington Post, executive assistant chief of police Ashan Benedict told reporters on Thursday that “there doesn’t seem to be anything criminal in nature about [the fetuses] except for how they got into this house.” DC police spokesperson Dustin Sternbeck tells Washingtonian the matter “remains an ongoing investigation.”

 

What a psycho.  

[NoCalMike]

We should know better by now that anti-abortion activists use the tactics of "show everyone something gross & creepy looking, and then completely make up a narrative around  it" when it comes to their quest to make abortion illegal.

Also, what I don't get about deputizing citizens to enforce abortion laws, why would it stop there with abortion only?  Couldn't Texas do the same thing with immigration?  Could CA do the same with gun control laws? etc etc etc.....